Massimiliano Allegri (251 Viewers)

[Knowah]

point out the members being happy or ban for you.

i'm getting sick of you , @juve123 , @s4tch, @Vlad trying to gaslight people.

Thread has been almost entirely hyperbolic for the last year. It's really not that serious.

"Throaters are all putting Allegri above the club" just like "anti-Allegri group is happy at every loss and celebrating Juventus losing"

Conversation around Allegri hasn't been outside the realm of hyperbole for nearly a year. I thought this was understood.

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We will all celebrate together and be happy when Allegri is gone and this era has passed on from the club. Then we can all bitch about the next coach.

 

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[Seven]

Bullshit.

I've been a passionate Juventus fan for nearly 30 years. I don't give a shit about winning arguments on the internet with random people I don't even know. It hurts me every time Juve lose even if it's just a friendly.

I want what's best for the club and that means Allegri gone.

I agree with this part.

I'm definitely one of the more ardent Allegri fans. I just like the guy a lot. He's clearly more intelligent than the average football manager, has a great sense of irony and realises that, in the end, it's all a bit of a game. And while I don't agree with his lifestyle concerning women, I find the sheer brashness of it all very amusing. Add to this that there have been periods under his reign in which we've played great football and you can see why I find it hard to part ways.

The reality is this though: we're only ranked third in the league and we're 10 points behind. We just lost 5-1 to the leader and if we look at how we've played this season and how they have, we probably deserved to lose by a higher margin. The Champions League is nothing but a memory at this point and it's January.

We definitely need to look beyond Allegri. We need to improve our roster. We need to buy players who are suited to our mentality and style of football again. We need to reinvent ourselves the way we did from 2012 to 2018 all the way up to the board. But no manager at a club the size of Juventus can survive a season like this. If you lose this much, you have to walk. We're Juventus, not Fiorentina.

 

[Knowah]

I agree with this part.

I'm definitely one of the more ardent Allegri fans. I just like the guy a lot. He's clearly more intelligent than the average football manager, has a great sense of irony and realises that, in the end, it's all a bit of a game. And while I don't agree with his lifestyle concerning women, I find the sheer brashness of it all very amusing. Add to this that there have been periods under his reign in which we've played great football and you can see why I find it hard to part ways.

The reality is this though: we're only ranked third in the league and we're 10 points behind. We just lost 5-1 to the leader and if we look at how we've played this season and how they have, we probably deserved to lose by a higher margin. The Champions League is nothing but a memory at this point and it's January.

We definitely need to look beyond Allegri. We need to improve our roster. We need to buy players who are suited to our mentality and style of football again. We need to reinvent ourselves the way we did from 2012 to 2018 all the way up to the board. But no manager at a club the size of Juventus can survive a season like this. If you lose this much, you have to walk. We're Juventus, not Fiorentina.

We need to look beyond Allegri, beyond Conte. This going back to the well of old managers needs to stop.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Thread has been almost entirely hyperbolic for the last year. It's really not that serious.

"Throaters are all putting Allegri above the club" just like "anti-Allegri group is happy at every loss and celebrating Juventus losing"

Conversation around Allegri hasn't been outside the realm of hyperbole for nearly a year. I thought this was understood.

- - - Updated - - -

We will all celebrate together and be happy when Allegri is gone and this era has passed on from the club. Then we can all bitch about the next coach.

I'm not even really mad at the haters now, as it's justified.

But you have members of the forum who take winning for granted and legit only show up during bad periods and/or are nowhere to be seen during successfull years (...some even bitch throughout the good years - you know who you are).

Cancerous people, and yeah, you get the feeling they live for those moments, regardless of what they say.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Thread has been almost entirely hyperbolic for the last year. It's really not that serious.

"Throaters are all putting Allegri above the club" just like "anti-Allegri group is happy at every loss and celebrating Juventus losing"

Conversation around Allegri hasn't been outside the realm of hyperbole for nearly a year. I thought this was understood.

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We will all celebrate together and be happy when Allegri is gone and this era has passed on from the club. Then we can all bitch about the next coach.

This is it. Both sides are biased and clearly taking things out of proportion. There’s been hate that’s uncalled for but also a level of idolizing that’s just plain childish and annoying as fuck, especially when that someone does not deserve it.

Bringing Allegri back broke and divided this forum. The sooner we get rid of this cancer the quicker this place can go back to somewhat normal.

 

[BayernFan]

I agree with this part.

I'm definitely one of the more ardent Allegri fans. I just like the guy a lot. He's clearly more intelligent than the average football manager, has a great sense of irony and realises that, in the end, it's all a bit of a game. And while I don't agree with his lifestyle concerning women, I find the sheer brashness of it all very amusing. Add to this that there have been periods under his reign in which we've played great football and you can see why I find it hard to part ways.

The reality is this though: we're only ranked third in the league and we're 10 points behind. We just lost 5-1 to the leader and if we look at how we've played this season and how they have, we probably deserved to lose by a higher margin. The Champions League is nothing but a memory at this point and it's January.

We definitely need to look beyond Allegri. We need to improve our roster. We need to buy players who are suited to our mentality and style of football again. We need to reinvent ourselves the way we did from 2012 to 2018 all the way up to the board. But no manager at a club the size of Juventus can survive a season like this. If you lose this much, you have to walk. We're Juventus, not Fiorentina.

How so exactly?

 

[U Picciriddu]

How so exactly?

Where he perhaps lacks in a philosophy regarding playstyle on the contrary he’s a true master in making the right adjustments in-game

 

[Fab Fragment]

I open this thread a couple of times a day hoping that Allegri would have announced that he had resigned.

 

[Seven]

How so exactly?

Have you heard him speak?

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[BayernFan]

Have you heard him speak?

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Not really, he seems to only speak italian.

 

[singus]

How so exactly?

Allegri is an obvious simpleton. But some people in here, like to tell themselves and others that he doesn't actually mean what he says. There is much more too it, its much more abstract and some sort of 6D chess, even if they cant explain it, no-one really can. He actually famously said or wrote in his autobiography, that coaching comes easy to him. He doesnt need to prepare like other coaches do, he has some sort of gift. He clearly shows signs of narcissism and insight, if he believes that he can do jackshit and still get away with it, as we have witnessed over the years. But then again, he has been doing so for years and became rich from it. I wouldnt call him smart though, but a fraud maybe.

 

[Seven]

Allegri is an obvious simpleton. But some people in here, like to tell themselves and others that he doesn't actually mean what he says. There is much more too it, its much more abstract and some sort of 6D chess, even if they cant explain it, no-one really can. He actually famously said or wrote in his autobiography, that coaching comes easy to him. He doesnt need to prepare like other coaches do, he has some sort of gift. He clearly shows signs of narcissism and insight, if he believes that he can do jackshit and still get away with it, as we have witnessed over the years. But then again, he has been doing so for years and became rich from it. I wouldnt call him smart though, but a fraud maybe.

He's definitely narcissistic.

But the man is very insightful, especially when it comes to the world of football. And it's quite obvious he very often does not mean what he says.

But none of it really matters. We can debate about this, but the truth is he has to leave at the end of the season. Even if some of us like him, you can't afford to have him stay after a season like this.

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[Seven]

Not really, he seems to only speak italian.

Unfortunately that's the situation for most Italians. Even in young Italians the level of English is atrocious.

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[PedroFlu]

Does Allegri have actual fans? This doesn't make any sense.

If football was only about winning - or trying to win -, nobody would give a shit about it. It grew to become the phenom it is around the world because the game is, you know, supposed to be enjoyable.

Allegri does something similar to playing football, that sometimes works. That's how we used to define the little talented Germany NT during the mid 2000s.

Agnelli's tenured really destroyed the club, in the sense he was OK with the fact that watching Juventus play was a shit experience, for what, at least half a decade.

 

[Hist]

Not really, he seems to only speak italian.

Never imagined I'd see Allegri and Madraset Mosha3'ben in the same video

 

[Lion]

how come our boy turk is not here. i missed him

 

[lgorTudor]

If football was only about winning - or trying to win -, nobody would give a shit about it. It grew to become the phenom it is around the world because the game is, you know, supposed to be enjoyable.

Ser I must object on two levels

1) Football IS only about winning, and nothing else. If Max delivers results he can piss off as many joga bonito fans as he damn pleases. But he doesn't get results. That's why we're here.

2) Football has become the phenomenon around the world because poor kids can play it outside without any costly equipment. Proof: Existence of English football, German football, any other ugly working class football that's centered about fighting and winning by any means. Also tribalism.

 

[Gian]

Ser I must object on two levels

1) Football IS only about winning, and nothing else. If Max delivers results he can piss off as many joga bonito fans as he damn pleases. But he doesn't get results. That's why we're here.

2) Football has become the phenomenon around the world because poor kids can play it outside without any costly equipment. Proof: Existence of English football, German football, any other ugly working class football that's centered about fighting and winning by any means. Also tribalism.

I'm too drunk right now to make to make my point in fully grammarly correct English

But Max was sacked the season when he won a Scudetto. We got f*cked by Atalanta and Ajax but we did win the league with much ease with a squad of Manzukic - CR7; Dybala; Matuidi - Pjanic - Khedira; AS Benatia - Chiellini - Danilo/Cuadrado

Hate him or love him but Max is a serial winner. Has always over performed in his managerial career. Only he needed to be given the best squad in the league and hope for less injury's and he will most likely win a league. Football will be bloody awful and European succes is difficult. The reality is, we don't have the best in Serie A at all. We have 3 PSG rejects, a permanent injured Dancer and a Serbian Amauri alongside Porto's fullbacks from 2011. And by the look of things, we won't sign the best players available next season either when we need to replace our left back, midfielder and right winger.

Things are looking like the Ranieri/Delneri level to me

This club needs changing on so many levels: strategic management, sporting director, trainer and a new squad

 

[Lion]

this is disgusting to post.

can you provide the name of this scene so i don't click on it by accident.

 

[Scottish]

I'm too drunk right now to make to make my point in fully grammarly correct English

But Max was sacked the season when he won a Scudetto. We got f*cked by Atalanta and Ajax but we did win the league with much ease with a squad of Manzukic - CR7; Dybala; Matuidi - Pjanic - Khedira; AS Benatia - Chiellini - Danilo/Cuadrado

Hate him or love him but Max is a serial winner. Has always over performed in his managerial career. Only he needed to be given the best squad in the league and hope for less injury's and he will most likely win a league. Football will be bloody awful and European succes is difficult. The reality is, we don't have the best in Serie A at all. We have 3 PSG rejects, a permanent injured Dancer and a Serbian Amauri alongside Porto's fullbacks from 2011. And by the look of things, we won't sign the best players available next season either when we need to replace our left back, midfielder and right winger.

Things are looking like the Ranieri/Delneri level to me

This club needs changing on so many levels: strategic management, sporting director, trainer and a new squad

This isn't overperforming, this is meeting expectations. I agree with the rest of it all, though.

It appeared that he was taking us to the next level when he joined after Conte, but over time we came to accept just how good our players were- at least in here because we as a forum tend to underrate our own guys. We had such low expectations after the 7th places and then flattening Serie A but shitting the bed in Europe under Conte. Allegri definitely had a decisive part to play in the two CL finals, but the players he had were exceptional as individuals and were knitted together by the engine of hard work Conte built plus a strong spine of leadership on the pitch both and in the dressing room, from players who symbolised our club like Buffon, Chiellini and Marchisio and from newer signings like Evra and Khedira. Pirlo, Lichtsteiner and Barzagli also had Juventus written all over them. We were more of a brand in those days than the Jj nonsense can ever hope to achieve. A part of that was our identity as winners. Nobody should be expecting to reach a CL final, but we had the kind of squad that you'd expect to see in them.

Although Conte rebuilt the club into more or less what it used to be he was definitely holding us back in playstyle and attitude, but maybe Max deserves less credit for the post-Conte than the rest of the backroom staff and the players. Idk, I really looked up to Max during that time and he did nail his tactics in some huge European games- Dortmund and the Madrid semi final come to mind plus the infamous incident of Barca having zero shots on target in the Nou Camp. Luck or individual error fucked us a couple of times (Evra vs Bayern, Bonucci starting a fight in the final) and we were twice 90 minutes from a Champions League. If we'd won one or both this wouldn't be a conversation- he'd be the undisputable greatest Juve coach of a generation. But in the real world as we reflect back I'd say Max was very good, but maybe not one of the greats. I guess there's no way to know for sure. People initially said Zidane was carried to success by the squad he had, but now they probably wouldn't say that.

Anyway, now we have a squad which isn't as good as we had in 2015, but it has a solid balance of promise, current ability and experience but the other parts are missing. There's no leadership, there's no identity in our play style or through our squad. We are underperforming, and Allegri is not meeting expectations. Even on our run of wins we were riding our luck so hard not to draw or even get beaten by Crotone for gods sake. I don't even mind ugly wins that much, but the way we've been playing isn't that it's gambling and hoping. That's what I don't like and that's Max's fault.