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I call that 100% bullshit.
I honestly don't know how can both of you be so one sided here. Sure, he did take us to the CL final. And? If a coach succeeded at one point of his career doesn't mean he's a granted success. Just look at Mourinho for example.
But sure, let's talk about it. Have you even watched Juve this season? That's not even football. Hell, that's not even anti football. That looks like randomly assembled team from the streets. There is literally zero organization there. Z-e-r-o. Yes, we're not a top club at this point, I think we can all agree on that. But what we're seeing here, despite the missmanagement, is way below the expectations here, give me a fucking break.
Sampdoria-Juventus 0:0
Juventus-Roma 1:1
Fiorentina-Juventus 1:1
Juventus-Salernitana 2:2
Monza-Juventus 1:0
Juventus-Benfica 1:2
Maccabi-Juventus 2:0
And it's only fucking November. Did you notice something among these results? Yes, I have skipped on PSG game. Do you know why? Because that's totally fine. Of course I'm gonna keep my mouth shut if we lose against City, Bayern, PSG, (insert top EPL teams), Real and others. I'm very aware we're not on that level and there's no shame there. But stop living in some dream world of yours where you justify every bad thing that happens. Oh it's management, huuur duuur. Yes, our management made horrible moves, they did. Unfortunately they still do. But that DOES NOT change the fact that we should be dropping points against those teams listed above. Sure, we might drop some, but all of those matches? I do not expect a CL title but you can't lose against Spezia, Salernitana and others. You might say Roma are good but they are actually horrible just like Fiorentina. That is simply disgusting and nothing but disappointing. Our wage bill was drastically reduced but it's still big and eventhough you may call out on the management again there's no way you can keep Allegri clean out of this argument. When he came here people were whining how he needs time. At this point it's obvious that time didn't help him one bit. We're just as bad as we were with lots of money spent too. We play like shit. Our defence is shit. Our midfield is shit. Our organization is shit. Shit clubs dominate against us. And you dare to say that Allegri is a CL finalist? LOL, like that matters. Nobody remembers teams that ended second. It WAS a huge success but if he doesn't deliver, and he fucking does not, he should take a huge part of that blame because it's him leading this disaster. Whatever people might say, but we don't have such a bad team. At least not THIS bad. I know some will now say OH BUT IT IS THIS BAD, but that's also bullshit. Just look at our opponents. You wanna tell me that our players are on par with them? Spezia? Maccabi? Sampdoria? There are so many teams out there who were a big surprise. Hell, even a broke team like Zvezda managed to do great things and manage to fight in a group with Liverpool, PSG and Napoli. Hell, they even managed to win there. They were playing with their lungs out and we don't even care to bother, we let shit teams run over us. Players don't care? A proper coach would make them care and be motivated. Allegri is failing in that aspect too. It seems that his CALMA is doing wonders, because our team is fucking dead calm.
I honestly don't know how can both of you be so one sided here. Sure, he did take us to the CL final. And? If a coach succeeded at one point of his career doesn't mean he's a granted success. Just look at Mourinho for example.
But sure, let's talk about it. Have you even watched Juve this season? That's not even football. Hell, that's not even anti football. That looks like randomly assembled team from the streets. There is literally zero organization there. Z-e-r-o. Yes, we're not a top club at this point, I think we can all agree on that. But what we're seeing here, despite the missmanagement, is way below the expectations here, give me a fucking break.
Sampdoria-Juventus 0:0
Juventus-Roma 1:1
Fiorentina-Juventus 1:1
Juventus-Salernitana 2:2
Monza-Juventus 1:0
Juventus-Benfica 1:2
Maccabi-Juventus 2:0
And it's only fucking November. Did you notice something among these results? Yes, I have skipped on PSG game. Do you know why? Because that's totally fine. Of course I'm gonna keep my mouth shut if we lose against City, Bayern, PSG, (insert top EPL teams), Real and others. I'm very aware we're not on that level and there's no shame there. But stop living in some dream world of yours where you justify every bad thing that happens. Oh it's management, huuur duuur. Yes, our management made horrible moves, they did. Unfortunately they still do. But that DOES NOT change the fact that we should be dropping points against those teams listed above. Sure, we might drop some, but all of those matches? I do not expect a CL title but you can't lose against Spezia, Salernitana and others. You might say Roma are good but they are actually horrible just like Fiorentina. That is simply disgusting and nothing but disappointing. Our wage bill was drastically reduced but it's still big and eventhough you may call out on the management again there's no way you can keep Allegri clean out of this argument. When he came here people were whining how he needs time. At this point it's obvious that time didn't help him one bit. We're just as bad as we were with lots of money spent too. We play like shit. Our defence is shit. Our midfield is shit. Our organization is shit. Shit clubs dominate against us. And you dare to say that Allegri is a CL finalist? LOL, like that matters. Nobody remembers teams that ended second. It WAS a huge success but if he doesn't deliver, and he fucking does not, he should take a huge part of that blame because it's him leading this disaster. Whatever people might say, but we don't have such a bad team. At least not THIS bad. I know some will now say OH BUT IT IS THIS BAD, but that's also bullshit. Just look at our opponents. You wanna tell me that our players are on par with them? Spezia? Maccabi? Sampdoria? There are so many teams out there who were a big surprise. Hell, even a broke team like Zvezda managed to do great things and manage to fight in a group with Liverpool, PSG and Napoli. Hell, they even managed to win there. They were playing with their lungs out and we don't even care to bother, we let shit teams run over us. Players don't care? A proper coach would make them care and be motivated. Allegri is failing in that aspect too. It seems that his CALMA is doing wonders, because our team is fucking dead calm.
i think this is wrong on a few points mike
- it's not only about the players we recently bought. bonucci, tek, mds, sandro, cuadrado and maybe a few others were here with sarri too, they were part of that untrainable bunch and only aged in the last few years. see cuadrado, he was great for many seasons under allegri, sarri and pirlo, then you're telling me that suddenly allegri turned him into shit for this year?
- sarri had a much, much stronger squad, it's not even comparable. and the downgrade is real, either because of age, or because of bad replacements. rabiot is better than matuidi, vlahovic is better than 2019 higuain, others either aged or simply worse.
- some new players don't even underperform. i've been happy with milik and bremer. kostic and vlahovic are badly underperforming, that's undeniable. zakaria was never a great player to begin with, and his chelsea stint kinda confirms that.
- being untrainable isn't really about quality, it's about a collective state of players who consider themselves more important than the group. bonucci is surely one of these, i dunno how toxic his mentality is.
- you're saying that all those players we brought in have been nothing but professional. what about gatti who never played a serie a match? what about di maria who needed a summer long courting just to not wait anymore for a spanish offer, and is only here because of the world cup, for a single season? kean the exemplary professional? pogba the other exemplary professional, the guy who way stripped of capitancy by mourinho, who's been lazy af and injury prone for years? paredes who never managed to cement his starting position at psg, who suffered like 4-5 minor injuries last season, and who wanted to join because of di maria and the world cup? you expect full dedication and performance from those? and some of these players aren't terrible, even good if you look at them in a vacuum, but for a rebuild, only gatti makes any sense. and yes, i'd also sign di maria on a free - but not without a proper backup considering his age, injury record and dedication. but pogba, kean or gatti? forget the first two, gatti is a bench player at best anyway.
- club isn't exactly leaking, it was the president who explicitly said after the final whistle at haifa that he stood by the coach, period. the club couldn't be more explicit.
again, for the slow bunch: we're not talking about covering allegri, he's probably beyond repair and should have been sacked already. we're talking about the issue not being one dimensional. our players are never to blame, right? cause football is simple, you just need your fullbacks at vlahovic's level, defend with a high line, run and put locatelli in the box, and if you tell 'em, they'll do as ordered, right?
- it's not only about the players we recently bought. bonucci, tek, mds, sandro, cuadrado and maybe a few others were here with sarri too, they were part of that untrainable bunch and only aged in the last few years. see cuadrado, he was great for many seasons under allegri, sarri and pirlo, then you're telling me that suddenly allegri turned him into shit for this year?
- sarri had a much, much stronger squad, it's not even comparable. and the downgrade is real, either because of age, or because of bad replacements. rabiot is better than matuidi, vlahovic is better than 2019 higuain, others either aged or simply worse.
- some new players don't even underperform. i've been happy with milik and bremer. kostic and vlahovic are badly underperforming, that's undeniable. zakaria was never a great player to begin with, and his chelsea stint kinda confirms that.
- being untrainable isn't really about quality, it's about a collective state of players who consider themselves more important than the group. bonucci is surely one of these, i dunno how toxic his mentality is.
- you're saying that all those players we brought in have been nothing but professional. what about gatti who never played a serie a match? what about di maria who needed a summer long courting just to not wait anymore for a spanish offer, and is only here because of the world cup, for a single season? kean the exemplary professional? pogba the other exemplary professional, the guy who way stripped of capitancy by mourinho, who's been lazy af and injury prone for years? paredes who never managed to cement his starting position at psg, who suffered like 4-5 minor injuries last season, and who wanted to join because of di maria and the world cup? you expect full dedication and performance from those? and some of these players aren't terrible, even good if you look at them in a vacuum, but for a rebuild, only gatti makes any sense. and yes, i'd also sign di maria on a free - but not without a proper backup considering his age, injury record and dedication. but pogba, kean or gatti? forget the first two, gatti is a bench player at best anyway.
- club isn't exactly leaking, it was the president who explicitly said after the final whistle at haifa that he stood by the coach, period. the club couldn't be more explicit.
again, for the slow bunch: we're not talking about covering allegri, he's probably beyond repair and should have been sacked already. we're talking about the issue not being one dimensional. our players are never to blame, right? cause football is simple, you just need your fullbacks at vlahovic's level, defend with a high line, run and put locatelli in the box, and if you tell 'em, they'll do as ordered, right?
isn't it funny players are attacked and we scream sell if they have a bad season or two? even if they were great in past? how many people demanded dybala be let go? we see the same with bonucci and cuadrado
but somehow allegri needs to be protected because of 3-0 barca. something that was done not even recently but 6 seasons ago lmao. why does allegri get a pass?
but somehow allegri needs to be protected because of 3-0 barca. something that was done not even recently but 6 seasons ago lmao. why does allegri get a pass?
You might not win the UCL, but you might be better than this. I mean, come on, blaming the players for Maccabi? We are sitting in two banks of four in our box with Rugani back there. What do we expect? They hit crosses, it's not difficult to predict. A couple come close and finally one goes in.
Close down the wings against minnows and what do they have left to do. No, of course we just sit in and let the cross come.
McKennie at RM in a deep, narrow, 4-4-2 and we blame the players. Look at the first goal and the time and space! It's the coach who did that. We have Di Maria who played 20 years as a RW and he comes here to play SS and defend the air in the classic 2 striker setup from Sunday League.
Close down the wings against minnows and what do they have left to do. No, of course we just sit in and let the cross come.
McKennie at RM in a deep, narrow, 4-4-2 and we blame the players. Look at the first goal and the time and space! It's the coach who did that. We have Di Maria who played 20 years as a RW and he comes here to play SS and defend the air in the classic 2 striker setup from Sunday League.
""On 5 June 2012, Allegri stated that he intends to coach for only 10 more years and plans to retire at the age of 55 due to the fact that coaching contains a high level of stress and anxiety. He also said that he hopes to coach the Italian national side before he retires.""
Calmismo football.. no stress plz
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Calmismo football.. no stress plz
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