Massimiliano Allegri (438 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

You literally said that Ronaldo was the difference this year when it comes to winning the scudetto. Now you're contradicting yourself.

Even with Ronaldo gone, I expected Chiesa to take up the slack, unfortunately he’s instead missed 2/3rd of year. So whichever way you want to slice it, Chiesa playing in only 14/38 matches, or Ronaldo being sold, we lost our two most productive players of last season without replacement until Vlahovic came in as the Ronaldo replacement with only 15 matches left.

I also expected Morata and Kean to score frequently enough that we’d remain in the running. I clearly overestimated their abilities to be the main guy in attack and we missed Ronaldo far more than I initially thought we would.

 

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[maxi]

Even with Ronaldo gone, I expected Chiesa to take up the slack, unfortunately he’s instead missed 2/3rd of year. So whichever way you want to slice it, Chiesa playing in only 14/38 matches, or Ronaldo being sold, we lost our two most productive players of last season without replacement until Vlahovic came in as the Ronaldo replacement with only 15 matches left.

I also expected Morata and Kean to score frequently enough that we’d remain in the running. I clearly overestimated their abilities to be the main guy in attack and we missed Ronaldo far more than I initially thought we would.

So now its Chiesa fault then? Got It. I mean why dont you just say so in the first place? You said that Ronaldo specifically was the difference, don't try and spin this by bringing in Chiesa now.

Secondly getting Vlahovic in January was better than nothing. You set this years objectives at winning the scudetto and a QF run in UCL, with the expectation that we wouldn't even sign a striker/Ronaldo replacement until the summer after. Now you back peddle.

 

[Post Ironic]

So now its Chiesa fault then? Got It. I mean why dont you just say so in the first place? You said that Ronaldo specifically was the difference, don't try and spin this by bringing in Chiesa now.

Secondly getting Vlahovic in January was better than nothing. You set this years objectives at winning the scudetto and a QF run in UCL, with the expectation that we wouldn't even sign a striker/Ronaldo replacement until the summer after. Now you back peddle.

Ronaldo is a major reason in hindsight, obviously. Others predicted it, I expected we could still manage it. I was wrong. Clearly I overestimated Morata and Kean being able to at least semi-passably lead the attack. They aren’t going to be the main man in attack and will be. It’s pretty clear now. We missed Ronaldo’s ability to score immensely this year.

And even with that I think a healthy Chiesa would be huge for us, especially partnering with Vlahovic right now given his ability to create chances.

And how does that mean it’s “Chiesa’s fault”. He’s at fault for getting injured and missing most of the year? Lol no. It just means we got unlucky with our best player tearing his ACL after 14 matches.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Ronaldo is a major reason in hindsight, obviously. Others predicted it, I expected we could still manage it. I was wrong. Clearly I overestimated Morata and Kean being able to at least semi-passably lead the attack. They aren’t going to be the main man in attack and will be. It’s pretty clear now. We missed Ronaldo’s ability to score immensely this year.

And even with that I think a healthy Chiesa would be huge for us, especially partnering with Vlahovic right now given his ability to create chances.

And how does that mean it’s “Chiesa’s fault”. He’s at fault for getting injured and missing most of the year? Lol no. It just means we got unlucky with our best player tearing his ACL after 14 matches.

Sure, it's the players but never the coach. Morata 8 goals, Dybala 9 Goals, Vlahovic 6 goals, Kean 4 goals, all bad, all can't deliver.

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It's like when they say that our squad can't do the high pressing but then i see that De Ligt, Morata, Rabiot, Cuadrado are among the best on their positions by applying the pressure in the league

 

[zizinho]

Sure, it's the players but never the coach. Morata 8 goals, Dybala 9 Goals, Vlahovic 6 goals, Kean 4 goals, all bad, all can't deliver.

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It's like when they say that our squad can't do the high pressing but then i see that De Ligt, Morata, Rabiot, Cuadrado are among the best on their positions by applying the pressure in the league

What about the midfield? They scored 8 and assisted 11, which used to be what Pogba or Vidal alone could do. In Allegris last season the midfield scored 13 goals and assisted 12, which was still low. However, that was Ronaldos first year when he had 21 goals and 8 assists. The year before that, our midfield scored 17 goals and had 12 assists. We dont get the production from other areas like we used to, and thats what you fail to understand. Thats why you think despite losing Ronaldo, we should score 80 goals

 

[s4tch]

those injuries, unbelievable.

if it is allegri's fault then fire him. if it's not then fire those who are responsible and give allegri a proper squad to work with.

 

[zizinho]

those injuries, unbelievable.

if it is allegri's fault then fire him. if it's not then fire those who are responsible and give allegri a proper squad to work with.

Its fascinating no one questioned this before. Allegri was here for 5 seasons and it was similar to this at times. Under Conte we rarely had injuries

 

[s4tch]

Its fascinating no one questioned this before. Allegri was here for 5 seasons and it was similar to this at times. Under Conte we rarely had injuries

common discussion. we also had plenty of injuries with sarri and pirlo. might be anything, from nutrition to pitch, i'm not an expert.

i bet someone will show up with a solution.

 

[zizinho]

common discussion. we also had plenty of injuries with sarri and pirlo. might be anything, from nutrition to pitch, i'm not an expert.

i bet someone will show up with a solution.

Yes, its hard to find the common denominator looking from the outside. I bet they all had their own training staffs (remember the comments from Sarri staff how outdated our training methods were?). But either way the club needs to investigate this

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

What about the midfield? They scored 8 and assisted 11, which used to be what Pogba or Vidal alone could do. In Allegris last season the midfield scored 13 goals and assisted 12, which was still low. However, that was Ronaldos first year when he had 21 goals and 8 assists. The year before that, our midfield scored 17 goals and had 12 assists. We dont get the production from other areas like we used to, and thats what you fail to understand. Thats why you think despite losing Ronaldo, we should score 80 goals

Last 3 seasons vs. 14/15
21/22 serie a so far
Dybala 5 assists
Cuadrado, Kulusevski, Bernardeschi, Locatelli 3 assists
Rabiot 2 assists
Chiesa, Bentancur, Zakaria 1 assist
22 assists + 24 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 30

20/21
Cuadrado 10 assists
Chiesa 8 assists
Bentancur, Ramsey 4 assists
Kulusevski, Dybala 3 assists
Rabiot, Mckennie, Bernardeschi 2 assists
38 assists + 30 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 59

19/20
Bentancur 7 assists
Pjanic, Dybala 6 assists
Cuadrado 5 assists
Douglas Costa 4 assists
Matuidi 2 assists
Rabiot, Bernardeschi, Khedira, Ramsey 1 assist
34 assists + 22 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 47

14/15
Marchisio 6 assists
Pirlo 5 assists
Vidal 4 assists
Pereyra, Pogba 3 assists
Coman 2 assists
23 assists + 28 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 41

We DoNt GeT eNoUgH pRoDuCtIOn

Maybe, just maybe, because we are playing pussyass dinosaurball????

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In the last season only 10 players were able to play for more than 2000 minutes in serie a but you all wanted Pirlo's scalp. Half of the season was played without Dybala, Arthur, Chiellini, Demiral and Ramsey

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[zizinho]

Last 3 seasons vs. 14/15
21/22 serie a so far
Dybala 5 assists
Cuadrado, Kulusevski, Bernardeschi, Locatelli 3 assists
Rabiot 2 assists
Chiesa, Bentancur, Zakaria 1 assist
22 assists + 24 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 30

20/21
Cuadrado 10 assists
Chiesa 8 assists
Bentancur, Ramsey 4 assists
Kulusevski, Dybala 3 assists
Rabiot, Mckennie, Bernardeschi 2 assists
38 assists + 30 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 59

19/20
Bentancur 7 assists
Pjanic, Dybala 6 assists
Cuadrado 5 assists
Douglas Costa 4 assists
Matuidi 2 assists
Rabiot, Bernardeschi, Khedira, Ramsey 1 assist
34 assists + 22 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 47

14/15
Marchisio 6 assists
Pirlo 5 assists
Vidal 4 assists
Pereyra, Pogba 3 assists
Coman 2 assists
23 assists + 28 goals
Overall number of assists by whole squad - 41

We DoNt GeT eNoUgH pRoDuCtIOn

Maybe, just maybe, because we are playing pussyass dinosaurball????

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In the last season only 10 players were able to play for more than 2000 minutes in serie a but you all wanted Pirlo's scalp. Half of the season was played without Dybala, Arthur, Chiellini, Demiral and Ramsey

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-picks out assists only, for whole squad (???) / Missed the point completely
-ReTaRd WrItING stLYEu
-dinosaurball
-doesnt address the point
-pointless screenshot with minutes played (???)

Yes, definitely rUs

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

-picks out assists only, for whole squad (???) / Missed the point completely
-ReTaRd WrItING stLYEu
-dinosaurball
-doesnt address the point
-pointless screenshot with minutes played (???)

Yes, definitely rUs

You are deluded as fuck, not me. You bring up season 14/15 like it's a blueprint for something special in the terms of assists and goals. You say that by the numbers we never had a midfield as good as we had in 14/15 which is fucking bullshit.

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Chiesa and Cuadrado has had the same number of assists last season as Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio all together had in 14/15, so what?
Allegroids are living in the past, no matter how many facts you will give to them,no matter how many statistics you will show them, nothing matters - it's always the players but never the coach. But at the same time they were asking for Sarri's and Pirlo's scalp when both of them has had better results than Allegri nowadays

 

[zizinho]

You are deluded as fuck, not me. You bring up season 14/15 like it's a blueprint for something special in the terms of assists and goals. You say that by the numbers we never had a midfield as good as we had in 14/15 which is fucking bullshit.

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Chiesa and Cuadrado has had the same number of assists last season fhan Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba and Marchisio all together in 14/15, so what?

Quote me where I said 14/15. It's funny you always say "just another lie" when you do it the most. Anything to push your propaganda I guess.

Again with the assists. When I have time, I'll destroy your whole stupid argument with facts. It won't go through your skull, but atleast others will see

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Quote me where I said 14/15. It's funny you always say "just another lie" when you do it the most. Anything to push your propaganda I guess.

Again with the assists. When I have time, I'll destroy your whole stupid argument with facts. It won't go through your skull, but atleast others will see

This is what you've said:
"What about the midfield? They scored 8 and assisted 11, which used to be what Pogba or Vidal alone could do.
We dont get the production from other areas like we used to, and thats what you fail to understand. "
Your 1st point was about the fact that after 2015 we never had a better midfield in the terms of number of assists and goals by midfielders, which is a FUCKING BULLSHIT. why? Because we had much better numbers for numerous times AFTER 2015.
Your 2nd point about the production from other areas
Season 14/15
Defenders - 8 assists
Midfielders - 23 assists
Forwards - 13 assists

Season 19/20
Defenders - 4 assists
Midfielders - 34 assists
Forwards - 9 assists

Season 20/21
Defenders - 9 assists
Midfielders - 38 assists
Forwards - 11 assists

Yes, we don't get production from other areas like we used to in 2014/2015 serie a season, we are doing BETTER than that.

At the end of the last 2 seasons, Allegri's cultists wanted Sarri's and then Pirlo's scalps despite:
Sarri - no proper pre-season due to pneumonia, 0 players bought that he asked for, 0 players sold that he didn't want (Khedira, Can, Mandzukic as i remember) (and it led to problems with Can and Mandzukic and god knows with whom else in the locker room), injuries of Chiellini, Demiral, Douglas Costa, Ramsey, Khedira, COVID pause, problems in the locker room - doesn't matter, Sarri is shit.
Pirlo - no experience, no coaching staff, no pre-season, injuries of Dybala, Demiral, Chiellini, Ramsey, Arthur, doesn't matter, Pirlo is shit.
But when it comes to Allegri he deserves a second chance because "2 ucl finals" "14/15 season" "6 scudetti 4 coppas" "injuries" "midfield is not good enough".
Like i've said, it pointless to discuss anything. He is not going anywhere and fortunately most of allegroids are agree that if he won't deliver in the first 6 months of the next season he needs to go.

 

[zizinho]

This is what you've said:
"What about the midfield? They scored 8 and assisted 11, which used to be what Pogba or Vidal alone could do.
We dont get the production from other areas like we used to, and thats what you fail to understand. "
Your 1st point was that after 2015 we never had a better midfielder in the terms of number of assists and goals by midfielders, which is FUCKING BULLSHIT. why? Because we had much better numbers numerous times AFTER 2015.
Your 2nd point about the production from other areas
Season 14/15
Defenders - 8 assists
Midfielders - 23 assists
Forwards - 13 assists

Season 19/20
Defenders - 4 assists
Midfielders - 34 assists
Forwards - 9 assists

Season 20/21
Defenders - 9 assists
Midfielders - 38 assists
Forwards - 11 assists

Yes, we don't get production from other areas like we used to in 2014/2015 serie a season, we are doing BETTER than that.

My first point is, since youre so stupid to understand simple english. Pogba or Vidal alone used to deliver more g+a than current midfield combined. Which is true. Locatelli, McKennie, Rabiot, Bentancur, Zakaria, Ramsey, Arthur this season they produce less than a single Pogba or a single Vidal when they were here. If you disagree with this, then i have a good doctor to recommend you

My 2nd point was about production from midfield falling in Allegris last season already, which was Ronaldos first. So even though Matuidi, Pjanic and Khedira werent as good as MVP, they were still better than what we have now. Current production is a joke.

What you do is include wide players into the mix, and just limit it to assists. If you were talking to kids or idiots, you could get away with your silly attempt. Maybe. Some kid would call your BS out.

The reality is this. Zakaria scored 2 goals this season for Gladbach. This season for us so far, 1. Both times 1 assist. Whole last season 1 goal, 1 assist.
Bentancur this season for Juve, 3 assists. For Tottenahm so far 1. Still time ofcourse. Last season 4 assists, zero goals
Rabiot last season in Paris 2 goals (he missed a lot of time to be fair), first season in Juve 1 goal. Last season 5 goals 4 assists, in 47 games. This season so far he has 2 assists, so he fell off last seasons production.
Arthur in barcelona last year had 4 goals 4 assists, last season he had 1 goal all year. This season zero. No assists. He fell off his barcelona production (which wasnt anything noteworthy to begin with) and at Juve its non existent
Ramseys last season at Arsenal was 6 goals 8 assists in 40 games, first season at Juve 4 goals 1 assist in 35 games. 2nd season 1 goal 5 asissts. This season at Juve in some 100-110 minutes, zero zero. At Rangers 2 goals 1 assist so far
McKennie last season at Schalke 3 goals 1 assist. Last season he had 6 goals and 3 assists, this season 4 goals before injury
Locatelli 4 goals 3 assists last season, this season 3 goals 5 assists before injury

These are the guys you want to deliver extraordinary numbers. You mentioned the strikers only first, saying this production (Dybala 9, Morata 8, Dusan 6, Kean 5) is fine, but you conveniantly ignored rest of the team. Last time our attack produced so little, we had MVPP behind them. Since we signed Tevez, we always had strikers capable of 20 goals seasons, except this one (and no, Vlahovic for 15 games doesnt count). Ronaldo last season scored 23 non penalty goala, so when you lose that kind of production, you want others to step up. Who stepped up?

 

[Patrizi]

Ronaldo is a major reason in hindsight, obviously. Others predicted it, I expected we could still manage it. I was wrong. Clearly I overestimated Morata and Kean being able to at least semi-passably lead the attack. They aren’t going to be the main man in attack and will be. It’s pretty clear now. We missed Ronaldo’s ability to score immensely this year.

And even with that I think a healthy Chiesa would be huge for us, especially partnering with Vlahovic right now given his ability to create chances.

And how does that mean it’s “Chiesa’s fault”. He’s at fault for getting injured and missing most of the year? Lol no. It just means we got unlucky with our best player tearing his ACL after 14 matches.

Every team in the world would miss a player like Chiesa. Especially ours, a team trying to find our ways. Real Madrid wouldn't be the same team without Benzema. Liverpool wouldn't be the same team without Salah, City wouldn't be the same team without Kevin, and we're not the same team without Chiesa.

Ronaldo left basically couple of days before the season began. Whatever Allegri was working on (probably a devastating counter attacks with Chiesa), had to be reset. 14 days into the season Chiesa tears his knee. Our attack we had in mind for the season vaporised into thin air. Which means another reset for Allegri. Now 14 days into the season. Now the season begins to be about finding a new balance. Which wasn't easy as we were leaking goals left, right and centre.

Now we've managed a balance. We're solid. But we lack any sense of how to attack yet. That's gonna take longer to figure out. And i'm sure Chiesa is gonna be heavily included. I have a feeling that Chiesa is about to become our number 10. And he's about to be exploited by Allegri. Chiesa was the absolute best player of the Euros Italy won. The world fell in love with Chiesa during that tournament. He's on another level on his day.

Next season is gonna be 4-4-1-1. We're gonna invite teams to come at us. Vlahovic is gonna use his physicality and Chiesa will exploit the spaces that it creates. Just that alone can result in 1.5 goals per game. But in games where a team locks up against us, that's what i'm interested to see, and am gonna judge Allegri on after next season. Not now, after this freak of a season. It was damage control from the beginning of the season.

It was interesting to hear Allegri talk about needing 3 new players. I have vague idea of what those positions are. If these positions get replaced by quality. We're talking, and good luck beating us.

We need a quality left back, and a quality midfielder who's capable of passing a football, (i was really hoping for Guimaraes)

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

My first point is, since youre so stupid to understand simple english. Pogba or Vidal alone used to deliver more g+a than current midfield combined. Which is true. Locatelli, McKennie, Rabiot, Bentancur, Zakaria, Ramsey, Arthur this season they produce less than a single Pogba or a single Vidal when they were here. If you disagree with this, then i have a good doctor to recommend you

My 2nd point was about production from midfield falling in Allegris last season already, which was Ronaldos first. So even though Matuidi, Pjanic and Khedira werent as good as MVP, they were still better than what we have now. Current production is a joke.

What you do is include wide players into the mix, and just limit it to assists. If you were talking to kids or idiots, you could get away with your silly attempt. Maybe. Some kid would call your BS out.

The reality is this. Zakaria scored 2 goals this season for Gladbach. This season for us so far, 1. Both times 1 assist. Whole last season 1 goal, 1 assist.
Bentancur this season for Juve, 3 assists. For Tottenahm so far 1. Still time ofcourse. Last season 4 assists, zero goals
Rabiot last season in Paris 2 goals (he missed a lot of time to be fair), first season in Juve 1 goal. Last season 5 goals 4 assists, in 47 games. This season so far he has 2 assists, so he fell off last seasons production.
Arthur in barcelona last year had 4 goals 4 assists, last season he had 1 goal all year. This season zero. No assists. He fell off his barcelona production (which wasnt anything noteworthy to begin with) and at Juve its non existent
Ramseys last season at Arsenal was 6 goals 8 assists in 40 games, first season at Juve 4 goals 1 assist in 35 games. 2nd season 1 goal 5 asissts. This season at Juve in some 100-110 minutes, zero zero. At Rangers 2 goals 1 assist so far
McKennie last season at Schalke 3 goals 1 assist. Last season he had 6 goals and 3 assists, this season 4 goals before injury
Locatelli 4 goals 3 assists last season, this season 3 goals 5 assists before injury

These are the guys you want to deliver extraordinary numbers. You mentioned the strikers only first, saying this production (Dybala 9, Morata 8, Dusan 6, Kean 5) is fine, but you conveniantly ignored rest of the team. Last time our attack produced so little, we had MVPP behind them. Since we signed Tevez, we always had strikers capable of 20 goals seasons, except this one (and no, Vlahovic for 15 games doesnt count). Ronaldo last season scored 23 non penalty goala, so when you lose that kind of production, you want others to step up. Who stepped up?

1) Why you don't count Cuadrado, Chiesa and Dybala? Just why? Because then it doesn't suit your agenda that's why. Nowadays we are playing with wide wingers, in 14/15 we were playing 4312 and that is absolutely different formation for build-up play and goal creation that REQUIRES your midfielders to assist and to score goals, why you can't understand SIMPLE things? Just why? Modric is an absolute genius but scores 2-3 goals and makes around 4-5 assists per season, does it mean that he is bad? By your logic he sucks, right? But in reality he's one of the best midfielders ever, he is on the field for build-up play, for starting attacks, for carrying the ball and so on, not for scoring goals or assisting. That's what we need our midfield for. IT's Dybala, Morata, Vlahovic, Cuadrado, Chiesa who are supposed to get all the assists and goals. Why you can't understand this? We don't buy Zakaria, Mckennie to score goals and to create chances, we need them for different qualities. Do you expect that Casemiro will score 10 goals? Kroos? Modric? I DONT WANT THEM DO DELIVER EXTRODINARY NUMBERS, THEY ARE NOT FOR GOALS AND ASSISTS THERE.
2) Current roster has helped Ronaldo to score 29 goals last season, we had 74.2 xG, 51.4 xA with Bentancur, Rabiot, Chiesa, Kulusevski, Cuadrado and Mckennie for the most part of the season. Maybe you will finally realize that they don't have the same numbers now because we are playing in dinosaurball?? NO?? Vlahovic has scored 21 goals for Fiorentina last season, this season he has scored 16 for them and then only 7 for Juventus Somehow coach with 0 experince was able to create with Rabiot - Bentancur as starting CMs but you jurassic park owner can't figure it out how to make everything work. You are so damn stupid, it's incredible.

 

[zizinho]

1) Why you don't count Cuadrado, Chiesa and Dybala? Just why? Because then it doesn't suit your agenda that's why. Nowadays we are playing with wide wingers, in 14/15 we were playing 4312 and that is absolutely different formation for build-up play and goal creation that REQUIRES your midfielders to assist and to score goals, why you can't understand SIMPLE things? Just why? Modric is an absolute genius but scores 2-3 goals and makes around 4-5 assists per season, does it mean that he is bad? By your logic he sucks, right? But in reality he's one of the best midfielders ever, he is on the field for build-up play, not for scoring goals or assisting. That's what we need our midfield for. IT's Dybala, Morata, Vlahovic, Cuadrado, Chiesa who are supposed to get all the assists and goals. Why you can't understand this? We don't buy Zakaria to score goals and to create chances, why you don't get it? I DONT WANT THEM DO DELIVER EXTRODINARY NUMBERS, THEY ARE NOT FOR GOALS AND ASSISTS THERE.
2) Current roster has helped Ronaldo to score 29 goals last season, we had 74.2 xG, 51.4 xA with Bentancur, Rabiot, Chiesa, Kulusevski, Cuadrado and Mckennie for the most part of the season. Maybe you will finally realize that they don't have the same numbers now because we are playing in dinosaurball?? NO?? Vlahovic has scored 21 goals for Fiorentina last season, this season he has scored 16 for them and then only 7 for Juventus You are so damn stupid, it's incredible

I was talking about midfield, why would I count them? The simple thing I was saying, again, is how Pogba and Vidal could put up better numbers than current whole midfield. And you want me to add Dybala, Chiesa, Cuadrado to the scale? Are you stupid?

Again you talk about 14/15. Pogba had 8 goals and 13 assists in 15/16, I wasn't talking about seasons. I am talking about players.

You talk about Modric and say that is what we need our midfield to do. Are you stupid?

It's them that need all the goals, yet they don't deliver them. Not a single player scored 10 goals so far. Last time that happened was pre Tevez, and we had MVP to compensate for that. We had goals spread among the many players, but you had players capable of that.

I know why we bought Zakaria, I showed you the whole midfield, to show this team lacks production from the midfield

Ronaldo has scored 23 non PK goals, and we lost that. Morata and Kean are not Ronaldo, even combined they can't replace his production. I'm glad you understand that. Or maybe not, you went back to your dinosaur ball agenda again. I'm starting to think you're stupid for real.

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Every team in the world would miss a player like Chiesa. Especially ours, a team trying to find our ways. Real Madrid wouldn't be the same team without Benzema. Liverpool wouldn't be the same team without Salah, City wouldn't be the same team without Kevin, and we're not the same team without Chiesa.

Ronaldo left basically couple of days before the season began. Whatever Allegri was working on (probably a devastating counter attacks with Chiesa), had to be reset. 14 days into the season Chiesa tears his knee. Our attack we had in mind for the season vaporised into thin air. Which means another reset for Allegri. Now 14 days into the season. Now the season begins to be about finding a new balance. Which wasn't easy as we were leaking goals left, right and centre.

Now we've managed a balance. We're solid. But we lack any sense of how to attack yet. That's gonna take longer to figure out. And i'm sure Chiesa is gonna be heavily included. I have a feeling that Chiesa is about to become our number 10. And he's about to be exploited by Allegri. Chiesa was the absolute best player of the Euros Italy won. The world fell in love with Chiesa during that tournament. He's on another level on his day.

Next season is gonna be 4-4-1-1. We're gonna invite teams to come at us. Vlahovic is gonna use his physicality and Chiesa will exploit the spaces that it creates. Just that alone can result in 1.5 goals per game. But in games where a team locks up against us, that's what i'm interested to see, and am gonna judge Allegri on after next season. Not now, after this freak of a season. It was damage control from the beginning of the season.

It was interesting to hear Allegri talk about needing 3 new players. I have vague idea of what those positions are. If these positions get replaced by quality. We're talking, and good luck beating us.

We need a quality left back, and a quality midfielder who's capable of passing a football, (i was really hoping for Guimaraes)

Idiots like Rus could look at their xscreen the whole day but they couldn't understand this. Probably the only balls he touched was his own

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I was talking about midfield, why would I count them? The simple thing I was saying, again, is how Pogba and Vidal could put up better numbers than current whole midfield. And you want me to add Dybala, Chiesa, Cuadrado to the scale? Are you stupid?

Again you talk about 14/15. Pogba had 8 goals and 13 assists in 15/16, I wasn't talking about seasons. I am talking about players.

You talk about Modric and say that is what we need our midfield to do. Are you stupid?

It's them that need all the goals, yet they don't deliver them. Not a single player scored 10 goals so far. Last time that happened was pre Tevez, and we had MVP to compensate for that. We had goals spread among the many players, but you had players capable of that.

I know why we bought Zakaria, I showed you the whole midfield, to show this team lacks production from the midfield

Ronaldo has scored 23 non PK goals, and we lost that. Morata and Kean are not Ronaldo, even combined they can't replace his production. I'm glad you understand that. Or maybe not, you went back to your dinosaur ball agenda again. I'm starting to think you're stupid for real.

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Idiots like Rus could look at their xscreen the whole day but they couldn't understand this. Probably the only balls he touched was his own

1) so so arrogant, we were playing 4312 and 352, these formations requires more impact on goals and assists from central midfielders, you simply can't understand it. Yes, i'm talking about Modric, a world's best CM who doesn't score or assist a lot because he is playing with a different tasks. No, you don't need 10 goals from each of Rabiot, Mckennie, Locatelli, Zakaria, you need them for perfect build up play, you need them to carry and deliver the ball to Chiesa, Dybala, Cuadrado, Vlahovic, Morata, you need them to apply pressure, to intercept the balls and so on and so on. With properly working team when everything clicks all of them will have a chance to score 4-5 goals and assist 5-6 goals and its more than enough because Dybala, Vlahovic, Morata, Chiesa, Kean and Cuadrado will finish season with 50+ goals to their name.
2) you contradict yourself - Ronaldo has scored 29 goals last season with Rabiot - Bentancur as our main central midfielders, so you admit that with properly working attack your team doesn't need 10 goals 10 assists from Rabiot and Zakaria because OTHER players who are supposed to create and score goals will deliver.
3) Who says that we don't miss Chiesa? Nobody. But when he was fit he had only 2 goals and 1 assists in 14 matches, like any other attacking player he struggled in Allegri's dinosaurball

 

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1) so so arrogant, we were playing 4312 and 352, these formations requires more impact on goals and assists from central midfielders, you simply can't understand it. Yes, i'm talking about Modric, a world's best CM who doesn't score or assist a lot because he is playing with a different tasks. No, you don't need 10 goals from Rabiot, Mckennie, Locatelli, Zakaria, you need them for perfect build up play, you need them to carry and deliver the ball to Chiesa, Dybala, Cuadrado, Vlahovic, Morata, you need them to apply pressure, to intercept the balls and so on and so on. With properly working team when everything clicks all of them will have a chance to score 4-5 goals and assist 5-6 goals and its more than enough because Dybala, Vlahovic, Morata, Kean and Cuadrado will finish season with 50+ goals to their name.
2) you contradict yourself - Ronaldo has scored 29 goals last season with Rabiot - Bentancur as our main central midfielders, so you admit that with properly working attack your team doesn't need 10 goals 10 assits from Rabiot and Zakaria because OTHER players who are supposed to create will deliver.

You're the only arrogant doofus here. Our 352, which we only went back to later on, still had Cuadrado out wide. Same as current team without Chiesa. So your stupid points which was irrelevant from the get go holds no water

Modric has never scored much, but he brings qualities which this midfield can only dream of. Ofcourse you know that, but you enjoy acting dumb.

So back to your original point "Dybala 9 Goals, Vlahovic 6 goals, Kean 4 goals" you said it (Kean 5 actually). IF you don't want goals from the midfield, which is stupid, then this is not enough. And it shows in the teams scoring. So your original ridiculous statement was stupid, then you dug deeper and deeper and now you prove yourself wrong.

Ah so now it's "with properly working team" which is why I posted their numbers before Juve, I knew you'd go there. All the things you mention you want from them, they aren't good enough for it. You don't have a great ball distributor (apart from Locatelli who isn't really great either), you don't have someone to advance the ball. You have a lot of players that are great without the ball. So expecting them to do build up is stupid from you

I'm not contradicting myself, you had a player capable of scoring so much. If you think Morata and Kean can score 29 even combined for the same team, you're stupid. And last season like this, we are a team that relies on 1-2 players to create, Dybala/Cuadrado/Chiesa. Ronaldo didn't score 29 off of Rabiots buildup