Massimiliano Allegri (242 Viewers)

[Juventino[RUS]]

xG does not show the amount of goalscoring opportunities. I'm all for using stats but at least try to understand them before making erroneous conclusions based on them.

Jesus christ, it does because shot quality evaluation = goal scoring opportunity, the bigger xG of the shot that was made = the bigger goal scoring opportunity it was.

 

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[il brutto]

Sure, in the first place it's Kloop's views and ideas but also Klopp's job in Liverpool is based on data that he's getting from these guys:
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/behind-the-badge/398645-ian-graham-liverpool-fc-behind-the-badge#:~:text=A decade-and-a-,Academy and, primarily, recruitment.
Pre-match, there’s a set of reports that James [French] and Greg [Mathieson] put together and then post-match there’s a similar thing that Harrison [Kingston] and Mark [Leyland] put together,” he describes.
“What we’ve built is a platform where the analysts can either look at the opposition analysis or post-match analysis from our point of view, so we’ve got expected goals models and expected possession value models that are linked to video to say: ‘This is what we thought was a dangerous situation.’
“We rarely work directly with the coaches, but the analysts’ department have got access to all of our stats resources and they use those in their reports and meetings.”
But while they may not share regular, day-to-day contact, those in Graham’s department feel connected to the coaching staff - thanks in no small part to Jürgen Klopp’s open-minded, inclusive style of management.
“Jürgen is very open and receptive to our area,” Graham notes.
“Just the fact that he is open to it and intuitively understands the numbers, that’s enough. And if there is anything in particular that needs addressing, we’re there for the coaches. We’ve done one-off bespoke pieces of work where they’re concerned about a particular area of play or want to know something about travel before a game and whether that affects performance.

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Same story with Pep
As he came to Bayern, the first thing he said was: “The match analysis department is the most important department for me.” The second thing was: “I see a big part of my work in the auditorium.” The auditorium is the place where he has video sessions. If you want to bring your ideas to the pitch, you have to use these technologies and you have to use match analysis.

The bolded part is very important and that's what you are missing. You need to evaluate what situations are dangerous and not only count situations that end in a shot. The models these guys use are much more descriptive of the game than a simple xG model that has some serious limitations. Or actually xG doesn't really have limitations but people often for one reason or another seem to misinterpret it.

 

[rainhard]

xG does not show the amount of goalscoring opportunities. I'm all for using stats but at least try to understand them before making erroneous conclusions based on them.

Yes, GCA is better to show that numbers , as fyi, SCA is shoot creating action that we are not high too
In attacking Lazio pretty dominating the numbers, the surprise team on those attack stats is Verona, Tudor did a pretty great job too

We are on par with Roma, as probably Mourinho and Allegri more or less have same pragmatic approach

 

[Mokku]

Allow the game statistics guys. When City played Liverpool, City dominated possession and Liverpool were playing to counter so they didn't register many shots in the FA Cup game. They were clinical on the counter and won that game. In the PL game before that, Liverpool would attack in flurries particularly after going down a goal each time. Klopp changed to a counter style in the FA Cup game and won. That's how Liverpool beat City but next game was against United and they went back to their normal style which was too much for United.

Allegri does the same but he has to use 'pussy' tactics against Fiorentina because he they have better players than us, simple as that. We went toe to toe and dominated Inter but with a shitty attack not capitalising, we lost because they were more clinical. Maybe we win that game with 'pussy' tactics but it's difficult without wingers.

Klopp has an extraordinary team, he can change his tactics and beat top tier teams like City. We have shitty players so we can't implement the same sort of tactics. The two Chelsea games show where we are as a squad and how we can play against heavyweight teams. It is what it is, against Villarreal we might have had a chance with Dybala but with Chiesa it's a totally different game.

 

[maxi]

No, I am not happy with either but I do not expect you to understand nor I am willing to explain it to you.

There is nothing to understand, because there is simply nothing to justify these sort of results in the first place.
Now lets wait for the very predictable "TrAnSiTiOn yEaR" response. Its getting boring now.

 

[JCK]

There is nothing to understand, because there is simply nothing to justify these sort of results in the first place.
Now lets wait for the very predictable "TrAnSiTiOn yEaR" response. Its getting boring now.

Did you ever see me write at any time anything about transition year or the like?
Did you ever see me justify any of the results?

I thought so and I wasn't justifying in reply to your brigade companion, I simply told him that I was not happy with either result so I really don't know how and why you brought justification.

Now you can go cry that we have Allegri as manager some more and get angry, it's your health.

 

[Patrizi]

Keep on telling me any other coach would have struggled here.

Any other coach would have struggled here.

If you think our struggles this year is down to formation, or line-up decisions. That just shows me how little you actually understand. This isn't football manager, or Fifa. This is real life football, if you've ever played some.

 

[Cerval]

Quoting Pirlo's son about his father, he has no agenda

 

[Post Ironic]

"TrAnSiTiOn yEaR"
"TrUsT tHe PrOceSs"
"mAx WiLl SoRt It OuT"
Just buy him SMS, Lewandowski, Cancelo, KdB, Sane, Salah and we good

Ahhh. So you mean like when Klopp bought Mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Keita, Allison, Thiago, Jota, Diaz, Konate, etc

Or when Pep spent a billion dollars on transfers at City and still hasn’t won CL.

The fact you think Allegri is only the coach who needs world class players to win is so hilarious.

I’d say you should be embarrassed. But you and your merry little band of troglodytes are far too shameless for that. Lol

 

[juve_juve_juve]

Allow the game statistics guys. When City played Liverpool, City dominated possession and Liverpool were playing to counter so they didn't register many shots in the FA Cup game. They were clinical on the counter and won that game. In the PL game before that, Liverpool would attack in flurries particularly after going down a goal each time. Klopp changed to a counter style in the FA Cup game and won. That's how Liverpool beat City but next game was against United and they went back to their normal style which was too much for United.

Allegri does the same but he has to use 'pussy' tactics against Fiorentina because he they have better players than us, simple as that. We went toe to toe and dominated Inter but with a shitty attack not capitalising, we lost because they were more clinical. Maybe we win that game with 'pussy' tactics but it's difficult without wingers.

Klopp has an extraordinary team, he can change his tactics and beat top tier teams like City. We have shitty players so we can't implement the same sort of tactics. The two Chelsea games show where we are as a squad and how we can play against heavyweight teams. It is what it is, against Villarreal we might have had a chance with Dybala but with Chiesa it's a totally different game.

Allegri supporters need to answer this :

Do we have shitty players?

How shitty are they?

Worse than players from a 6th placed team?

Are you sure about that?

Based on what?

How come many of them still get international call ups and routinely playing for major national teams?

How come they came here in the first place? I mean if they're so shitty they wouldn't even get here in the first place.

 

[JCK]

Need to answer? Is this a threat?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Ahhh. So you mean like when Klopp bought Mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Keita, Allison, Thiago, Jota, Diaz, Konate, etc

Or when Pep spent a billion dollars on transfers at City and still hasn’t won CL.

The fact you think Allegri is only the coach who needs world class players to win is so hilarious.

I’d say you should be embarrassed. But you and your merry little band of troglodytes are far too shameless for that. Lol

They've bought him Locatelli and Vlahovic for 110m in 6 months period, somehow Locatelli plays worse than he was playing for Sassuolo, same story with Vlahovic. Chiesa has had 2 goals in 12 matches, Morata has scored 8 goals, last season he had 20, keep on talking.

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Allegri supporters need to answer this :

Do we have shitty players?

How shitty are they?

Worse than players from a 6th placed team?

Are you sure about that?

Based on what?

How come many of them still get international call ups and routinely playing for major national teams?

How come they came here in the first place? I mean if they're so shitty they wouldn't even get here in the first place.

They won't answer, by their logic Deschamps is stupid to play Rabiot in starting 11, Tite is stupid for playing with Sandro - Danilo and so on

 

[Post Ironic]

They've bought him Locatelli and Vlahovic for 110m in 6 months, somehow Locatelli plays worse than he was playing for Sassuolo, same story with Vlahovic

Klopp finished 8th, 4th, and 4th in his first three years. Seasons when the likes of Leicester City we’re winning PL and Tottenham was finishing second

It wasn’t until he had a half dozen new starting XI players brought in that Liverpool won anything.

This is the first year of a 3-4 year project. You can keep posting your idiotic “TrAnsItiON year” nonsense, but Allegri and our management have all said in interviews this is the start of a new long term project with clear sporting and financial goals for the club over the next three years. Arrivabene literally said in an interview the goal for this year was CL Rof16 and qualification for next year’s CL. I’m sure the goal will be higher next year.

If you want to cry about it with 50 posts a day in the Allegri thread for the next 1-3 years, by all means… but stop spewing BS.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

this dummy compares 10th placed Liverpool that needed huge rebuilding to Juventus and that plays in the league in which kloop has to play City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Spurs that's unbelievable

Klopp finished 8th, 4th, and 4th in his first three years. Seasons when the likes of Leicester City we’re winning PL and Tottenham was finishing second

It wasn’t until he had a half dozen new starting XI players brought in that Liverpool won anything.

This is the first year of a 3-4 year project. You can keep posting your idiotic “TrAnsItiON year” nonsense, but Allegri and our management have all said in interviews this is the start of a new long term project with clear sporting and financial goals for the club over the next three years. Arrivabene literally said in an interview the goal for this year was CL Rof16 and qualification for next year’s CL. I’m sure the goal will be higher next year.

If you want to cry about it with 50 posts a day in the Allegri thread for the next 1-3 years, by all means… but stop spewing BS.

 

[Post Ironic]

Chiesa had 4 goals - 4 assists in 1204 minutes this year.

He had 15 goals - 11 assists in 3167 minutes last year.

His pace this year he would finish with 11 goals - 11 assists in 3167 minutes.

Hardly some staggering drop off

And that ignores that he also started slow under Pirlo and that pace picked up in the second half of season which it easily could have again this year when he would get to play with Vlahovic, as he got to play with Ronaldo last year.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

What kind of rebuilding Juventus needed to compete with inter without Lukaku, Hakimi and conte? Milan without Donnarumma, Calhanoglu and injured Kjaer and Ibra

 

[Post Ironic]

this dummy compares 10th placed Liverpool that needed huge rebuilding to Juventus and that plays in the league in which kloop has to play City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Spurs that's unbelievable

They finished 6th the year before and brought in Firmino that summer. Which you already lied about

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

They finished 6th the year before and brought in Firmino that summer. Which you already lied about

When klopp was hired Liverpool was on 10th place

 

[Post Ironic]

When klopp was hired Liverpool was on 10th place

That was 8 matches into the season. In 30 matches he gained 2 spots. He finished behind West Ham and Southampton. Pathetic.

imagine the aneurysm you’d have if Allegri finished behind Sassuolo and Verona.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

That was 8 matches into the season.

So? What does it change?