Massimiliano Allegri (221 Viewers)
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di matteo vs conte analysis pls 
Btw, I never said a coach that wins the CL is automatically tier 1 - again, Tuz selective comprehension at its finest. I said, I will not consider any coach that has failed to win the CL a Tier 1 coach. That doesn't mean that any coach that has won the CL is automatically Tier 1. Nonsense!
Well, it's a pretty random metric to emphasize one trophy that only one manager can win per year but also say that people who win that trophy also might not be tier 1 thus telling us that:
> This metric is VITAL/ABSOLUTELY important to be a Tier 1 manager
but also
>Shit managers win it too
LMAO ok....................
> This metric is VITAL/ABSOLUTELY important to be a Tier 1 manager
but also
>Shit managers win it too
LMAO ok....................
Nor does it mean a coach who has failed to beat significantly stronger teams in CL finals is less than Tier 1. Allegri was absolutely tier 1 during his previous tenure. Will he get back there? Maybe not.
You know the difference between Klopp and Allegri is that Klopp got to play Tottenham in his third CL final. Before that he was 0-3 in European finals. Allegri played two of the greatest CL teams of all time.
You know the difference between Klopp and Allegri is that Klopp got to play Tottenham in his third CL final. Before that he was 0-3 in European finals. Allegri played two of the greatest CL teams of all time.
Well, obviously a manager can fluke his way to a CL title (Di Matteo, Benitez, Riijkard, etc,,,) but none of them are Tier 1 managers. Again, assessing coaches is subjective.
It's not too far-fetched to suggest that Tier 1 coaches must have won at least one domestic title, one European crown and maintained a consistent/sustainable level of success over the past decade. Does that sound reasonable?
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Again, Allegri is unfortunate. I would have definitely placed Allegri as Tier 1 had he won one CL title, but that simple fact and the 4-1 shellacking against Madrid makes it hard for me to do so - the biggest game of his career and he shit the bed. Also, the fact that he has been away from the game for 2+ years and is not exactly covering himself in glory this season counts against him.
Both Allegri and Moaninho can get back to Tier 1, and new coaches can be added. Again, this is my list. I don't expect everyone to agree with it. Heck, I don't even fucking care. I am just trying to rationalize and explain why I chose the coaches I did as Tier 1. Now, if Zidane doesn't coach for the next 2-3 years, he's definitely falling out.
It's not too far-fetched to suggest that Tier 1 coaches must have won at least one domestic title, one European crown and maintained a consistent/sustainable level of success over the past decade. Does that sound reasonable?
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Again, Allegri is unfortunate. I would have definitely placed Allegri as Tier 1 had he won one CL title, but that simple fact and the 4-1 shellacking against Madrid makes it hard for me to do so - the biggest game of his career and he shit the bed. Also, the fact that he has been away from the game for 2+ years and is not exactly covering himself in glory this season counts against him.
Both Allegri and Moaninho can get back to Tier 1, and new coaches can be added. Again, this is my list. I don't expect everyone to agree with it. Heck, I don't even fucking care. I am just trying to rationalize and explain why I chose the coaches I did as Tier 1. Now, if Zidane doesn't coach for the next 2-3 years, he's definitely falling out.
thank you, absolutely this.
also, cl is a lottery. juve failed to win it because of 1 second episodes on multiple occasions (like the penalty not given for the dani alves - pogba incident and the goal conceded from the following counter, nedved's yellow during la partita perfetta, penalties missed, etc). you can't avoid these with better preparation or better coaching.
and conte is obviously a tier 1 coach despite his toxic personality and meh cl record. a bit of a one trick pony, still, very effective in the league usually. i'd put him in the top10 and i don't even like him lol
also, cl is a lottery. juve failed to win it because of 1 second episodes on multiple occasions (like the penalty not given for the dani alves - pogba incident and the goal conceded from the following counter, nedved's yellow during la partita perfetta, penalties missed, etc). you can't avoid these with better preparation or better coaching.
and conte is obviously a tier 1 coach despite his toxic personality and meh cl record. a bit of a one trick pony, still, very effective in the league usually. i'd put him in the top10 and i don't even like him lol
Meh. Not taking into consideration who you played is silly. And removing someone because he didn’t manage to beat significantly stronger teams in those finals is also silly. Add to that Allegri’s accomplishments here came with management selling 80% of his starting XI out from under him between finals, makes it even more impressive. Definitely tier 1. And so has been Diego Simeone at Atletico.
You’re too obsessed with winning CL. Just like this club was when they moved on from Beppe and signed Ronaldo to bring CL without listening to Allegri’s requests to rejuvenate the team and start a new winning cycle instead. Such obsessions don’t help.
You’re too obsessed with winning CL. Just like this club was when they moved on from Beppe and signed Ronaldo to bring CL without listening to Allegri’s requests to rejuvenate the team and start a new winning cycle instead. Such obsessions don’t help.
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Klopp did that (almost win the CL) with Dortmund not Juve, before he went on to almost win it with Liverpool and then actually won it. Not to mention that he built both clubs from the ground up. Liverpool was well into the gutter when he took over while we were dominating Italy in our sleep. In that same period they turned to gold while we turned to shit 
This stinks of low expectations. This is supposedly a Tier 1 club. Not a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely shouldnt be satisfied with ugly football and dominance of a weak local league. We don't want this to be like supporting Porto or Ajax.
This stinks of low expectations. This is supposedly a Tier 1 club. Not a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely shouldnt be satisfied with ugly football and dominance of a weak local league. We don't want this to be like supporting Porto or Ajax.
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Klopp did that (almost win the CL) with Dortmund not Juve, before he went on to almost win it with Liverpool and then actually won it. Not to mention that he built both clubs from the ground up. Liverpool was well into the gutter when he took over while we were dominating Italy in our sleep. In that same period they turned to gold while we turned to shit
This stinks of low expectations. This is supposedly a Tier 1 club. Not a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely shouldnt be satisfied with ugly football and dominance of a weak local league. We don't want this to be like supporting Porto or Ajax.
This stinks of low expectations. This is supposedly a Tier 1 club. Not a big fish in a small pond. Absolutely shouldnt be satisfied with ugly football and dominance of a weak local league. We don't want this to be like supporting Porto or Ajax.
Starts from the top. Flip flopping between Allegri > Sarri > Pirlo > Allegri. Very different ideas of football with very different profile of players that each coach would need to succeed. Ofc none of these coaches were good enough to build the project successfully around.
Liverpool meanwhile had a clear idea of football they want to play and then built their hires and transfer strategy around it year on year. Same with City. It's a shame that our flirtation with attacking football started with freaking Sarri and Pirlo.
Liverpool meanwhile had a clear idea of football they want to play and then built their hires and transfer strategy around it year on year. Same with City. It's a shame that our flirtation with attacking football started with freaking Sarri and Pirlo.
