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maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
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So it seems like there is some consensus about Allegri currently being a 2nd tier coach. 4-7 coaches who are better than him right now.

- Klopp
- Guardiola
- Tuchel
- Nagelsmann
- Allegri Ancelotti Zidane Conte

How about Flick? Treble winner, European coach of the year, most dominant CL run of 100% win record. 23 wins in a row in international competitions, won 6 trophies that season.

Juve being a top club, I believe we would have an opportunity to acquire one of these top managers over 1-2 years when the opportunity presents itself. Chance to change the training methods and mentality that we all agree is limiting us in reaching our goals.
No no, he is an ELITE tier coach. Guardiola/Klopp level I'm told :agree:
 

Juventinoo

Habibi .. Come to Dubai :)
Oct 20, 2004
3,660
So it seems like there is some consensus about Allegri currently being a 2nd tier coach. 4-7 coaches who are better than him right now.

- Klopp
- Guardiola
- Tuchel
- Nagelsmann
- Allegri Ancelotti Zidane Conte

How about Flick? Treble winner, European coach of the year, most dominant CL run of 100% win record. 23 wins in a row in international competitions, won 6 trophies that season.

Juve being a top club, I believe we would have an opportunity to acquire one of these top managers over 1-2 years when the opportunity presents itself. Chance to change the training methods and mentality that we all agree is limiting us in reaching our goals.
You guys still talk about this :barza:...

Why people tend to forget that we are an Italian Club coached by Italian coach ...not only this , among all Italians, we do this better than anyone of them.. rooted since the dark ages to play ... i would say effective football ....

Then some compare us to hyper football type ...

you wont get this here .... just give up on this ...

at most ... if we can have as midfielder that can give accurate short and long passes .... thats all about it in Italy ...

Cuurenty we are a top name but not a top club from football point of view.... team in re building
 
Jun 6, 2015
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So it seems like there is some consensus about Allegri currently being a 2nd tier coach. 4-7 coaches who are better than him right now.

- Klopp
- Guardiola
- Tuchel
- Nagelsmann
- Allegri Ancelotti Zidane Conte

How about Flick? Treble winner, European coach of the year, most dominant CL run of 100% win record. 23 wins in a row in international competitions, won 6 trophies that season.

Juve being a top club, I believe we would have an opportunity to acquire one of these top managers over 1-2 years when the opportunity presents itself. Chance to change the training methods and mentality that we all agree is limiting us in reaching our goals.
And what are those training methods that we all agree are the reason that we're not reaching our goals?
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
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And what are those training methods that we all agree are the reason that we're not reaching our goals?
- Poor physical training, we always seem to lack energy and all we care about under Allegri is conserving it for the big day.
- Non-existing offensive training. Leave the players to it themselves, as you argued multiple times, and as we can witness every week.

But obviously with your non-critical view and acceptance of whatever Allegri says or does, you will deny that he isnt an absolute top-tier coach, and reject to actually rank those coaches yourself.
 
Jun 6, 2015
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- Poor physical training, we always seem to lack energy and all we care about under Allegri is conserving it for the big day.
- Non-existing offensive training. Leave the players to it themselves, as you argued multiple times, and as we can witness every week.

But obviously with your non-critical view and acceptance of whatever Allegri says or does, you will deny that he isnt an absolute top-tier coach, and reject to actually rank those coaches yourself.
Good to know. I'm only asking because I don't regularly watch our training sessions so have no clue what they do or how they train.

Not a fan of rankings for multitude of reasons, but yes imo Allegri is an absolute top-tier coach. Hope that answers it.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
Just calling you out on your obvious bs. You have no clue on how we train.

Anyways I know you're only seeking reactions and hoping people would have as terrible time following Allegri's Juve as you do.
Oh lord! I never claimed to know "how" we train and I dont give a damn. If we dont improve and we dont see any cohesion in our play, especially offensively, then I want someone else to train our team eventually. Seemingly difficult for you to grasp.

And lol saying that it is me seeking a reaction, when its you who suddenly quoted me. So you are saying you got triggered?
Last thing I remember from you was that you gave the forum a lesson on how you are not a "reactionary poster" lol
 
Jun 6, 2015
11,391
Oh lord! I never claimed to know "how" we train and I dont give a damn. If we dont improve and we dont see any cohesion in our play, especially offensively, then I want someone else to train our team eventually. Seemingly difficult for you to grasp.

And lol saying that it is me seeking a reaction, when its you who suddenly quoted me. So you are saying you got triggered?
Last thing I remember from you was that you gave the forum a lesson on how you are not a "reactionary poster" lol
But we have improved, just not in a way that is acceptable to you.

Agnelli and co didn't bring Allegri back thinking he would train this team to become some kind pressing and attacking machine that dominates possession.
They followed his methods closely for five years and decided to bring him back so would be surprising if they didn't know what they were getting. Which is a manager that among many thing likes defensive solidity, direct attacks and control (with or without the ball).

We'll find out in the coming season(s) whether bringing him back was a good decision but you and the likes not understanding/approving his playing style is irrelevant in that evaluation. The trophies or the lack of trophies is going to be the determining factor.

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Usually Lippi is on point, but man he keeps getting this one wrong. Tacdical wizards on tuz tell me that Allegri isn't a top coach, Lippi should take notes.

 
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Jun 16, 2020
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But we have improved, just not in a way that is acceptable to you.

Agnelli and co didn't bring Allegri back thinking he would train this team to become some kind pressing and attacking machine that dominates possession.
They followed his methods closely for five years and decided to bring him back so would be surprising if they didn't know what they were getting. Which is a manager that among many thing likes defensive solidity, direct attacks and control (with or without the ball).

We'll find out in the coming season(s) whether bringing him back was a good decision but you and the likes not understanding/approving his playing style is irrelevant in that evaluation. The trophies or the lack of trophies is going to be the determining factor.

- - - Updated - - -

Usually Lippi is on point, but man he keeps getting this one wrong. Tacdical wizards on tuz tell me that Allegri isn't a top coach, Lippi should take notes.

If you had to make a profile of Allegri’s coaching style you could say that he’s great in the defensive phase, discipline, people management, and in-game tactical changes (a bit less tho this year). Less strong in attack, passing game and injuries seem to hunt him.

Does it matter tho? We’ll if you prefer Guardiola’s style it does, but I think that we learned our lesson in the past two years that forcing a ideology isn’t the right path for this team. As long as we get the results I’m fine with the outcome. So it really doesn’t matter to me. He’s as good as his team is this year. No miracles but he so far did the minimum we could expect, things should go upwards next year.

There are no margins to create a better attacking team with this material, therefore I don’t understand the criticism. Rabiot and Arthur barely provide something, Chiesa has been out al season. Dybala struggles with fitness once again. Vlahovic just arrived and it’s easy to see that he’s still finding his way, etc etc.

Lets not forget that if it wasn’t for the VAR raping us against Inter we’d be 3 points behind Milan at the moment.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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If you had to make a profile of Allegri’s coaching style you could say that he’s great in the defensive phase, discipline, people management, and in-game tactical changes (a bit less tho this year). Less strong in attack, passing game and injuries seem to hunt him.

Does it matter tho? We’ll if you prefer Guardiola’s style it does, but I think that we learned our lesson in the past two years that forcing a ideology isn’t the right path for this team. As long as we get the results I’m fine with the outcome. So it really doesn’t matter to me. He’s as good as his team is this year. No miracles but he so far did the minimum we could expect, things should go upwards next year.

There are no margins to create a better attacking team with this material, therefore I don’t understand the criticism. Rabiot and Arthur barely provide something, Chiesa has been out al season. Dybala struggles with fitness once again. Vlahovic just arrived and it’s easy to see that he’s still finding his way, etc etc.

Lets not forget that if it wasn’t for the VAR raping us against Inter we’d be 3 points behind Milan at the moment.
And if we hadn't had this horrific beginning of a season we'd be champions by now. We lost this season because of Sassuolo, Verona, Empoli, Venezia and Udinese.

We're much more of a team today than we were couple of months ago. Next season will be the interesting one
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,787
But we have improved, just not in a way that is acceptable to you
In what way? I've asked this question 3 times today and no one has actually explained how.
We'll find out in the coming season(s) whether bringing him back was a good decision
No, life is too short to waste several seasons expecting Allegri to 'work his magic', and that's no guarantee. Give him one more summer transfer window to work with. Scudetto and UCL quarter finals is the minimum expectation, otherwise he can gtfo like Sarri and Pirlo.
 

Van Helsing

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2007
2,585
In what way? I've asked this question 3 times today and no one has actually explained how.

No, life is too short to waste several seasons expecting Allegri to 'work his magic', and that's no guarantee. Give him one more summer transfer window to work with. Scudetto and UCL quarter finals is the minimum expectation, otherwise he can gtfo like Sarri and Pirlo.
don't you know that?

"Vincere di Champions League non e importante, the important is Serie A! Fino Alla Fine!
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,163
But we have improved, just not in a way that is acceptable to you.

Agnelli and co didn't bring Allegri back thinking he would train this team to become some kind pressing and attacking machine that dominates possession.
They followed his methods closely for five years and decided to bring him back so would be surprising if they didn't know what they were getting. Which is a manager that among many thing likes defensive solidity, direct attacks and control (with or without the ball).

We'll find out in the coming season(s) whether bringing him back was a good decision but you and the likes not understanding/approving his playing style is irrelevant in that evaluation. The trophies or the lack of trophies is going to be the determining factor.

- - - Updated - - -

Usually Lippi is on point, but man he keeps getting this one wrong. Tacdical wizards on tuz tell me that Allegri isn't a top coach, Lippi should take notes.

What does Lippi, the CL and WC winner, know? Hes obviously Allegri throater and his opinion is therefore invalid.
 

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