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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,652
It safe to say that at this point with Pirlo and Sarri the main words were ‘unforgivable mistakes’, no matter what the context was.

I don’t want him gone, but I have to say that not winning a game against the top 4 is really disappointing.
next season is not going to be easy either with dybala leaving possibly chiellini bernadeschi and de ligt we would need good replacements otherwise it would be the same story.
 

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juve_juve_juve

Junior Member
Oct 17, 2005
121
These teams have a clear idea of football drilled into their players from day 1 and is reflected in their recruitment for years now.

Teams don't suddenly pick up Tiki taka football in one or two matches. They practice it again and again until they get good at it. They build a transfer strategy around it and iterate until it gets really good. Teams that keep switching approaches from one game to the next end up like Ole's United.

We are not any good at pragmatic football judging by how this season has gone. We now play pragmatic football and don't win.
unfortunately this club never have that kind of coherent integrated vision... even fans are infected with that blindness, every time you hear from this club and it's fans about buzzwords like defense, grinta and hardworking etc are symptoms of that problem.

because the mental focus on those preferred "brand/style" reflected in what kind of players we bring in and what kind of players we keep neglecting to acquire... to elaborate on this point, think about this... try to realize that there are very very few wingers that ever succeed in this club, it doesn't matter since when you started following this club, the result would still be the same... then you remember that CR7 and messi started out as wingers... other big european teams at one point had robben, hazard, di maria, etc you can also count players like griezmann, mbappe, etoo, henry as wingers-strikers hybrid... even 2nd rate players like sterling, gervinho etc at some point played at those big clubs...

we? who do we have? who did we ever have as wingers? between the time of nedved-camoranesi and chiesa, I can only remember krasic as the most notable, others like elia, turdeski, kulusevski etc are either somehow turned as complete trash here or never got proper chance... and here's what I also think, our play system never accommodate them, we throw those kind of players on the field without any systematic support from the rest of the team, they didn't work and we deemed them not good enough.

and then this club and the fans wonders why this team can't play like other big european clubs.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,767
From 9 league titles to back to back 4th places :touched: fighting Mou and Sarri for 4th spot :touched:
He is washed, but it's not like we can afford to fire him. What were the management thinking offering that sort of contract?

I'm willing to give him another transfer season (as if getting europe's supposed next top striker in January wasn't enough to actually have a shot at the title), but the minimum expectations next year are scudetto and a deep run in the UCL. No excuses. So far he has done nothing better than Sarri or Pirlo. Dont understand all the hype and justifications by some members here. Its bizarre
 

Mokku

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2019
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He's still our best option on the bench but I'll admit that next season he'll have no alibis. We should win Serie A but CL is different, I'd be happy to beat all second-tier teams and put up a fight against the top-tier teams. Having said that, Xavi has transformed Barcelona and they look like they're top tier already. Today they'd destroy us like they did Napoli.
 

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May 16, 2010
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He's still our best option on the bench but I'll admit that next season he'll have no alibis. We should win Serie A but CL is different, I'd be happy to beat all second-tier teams and put up a fight against the top-tier teams. Having said that, Xavi has transformed Barcelona and they look like they're top tier already. Today they'd destroy us like they did Napoli.
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Gigiventus

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Mar 3, 2017
3,283
He's still our best option on the bench but I'll admit that next season he'll have no alibis. We should win Serie A but CL is different, I'd be happy to beat all second-tier teams and put up a fight against the top-tier teams. Having said that, Xavi has transformed Barcelona and they look like they're top tier already. Today they'd destroy us like they did Napoli.
Barca's problem is different than ours. They were horribly coached and Xavi came in and has been excellent. Their team is still very good, functional, and hasn't been dealing with a lot of injuries.

Our problem cannot be resolved only by coaching as the squad is in much more desperate need to change. It's a deeper issue atm.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,652
Barca's problem is different than ours. They were horribly coached and Xavi came in and has been excellent. Their team is still very good, functional, and hasn't been dealing with a lot of injuries.

Our problem cannot be resolved only by coaching as the squad is in much more desperate need to change. It's a deeper issue atm.
Possibly De ligt and certainly dybala wont be there next season along with the likes of chiellini and bernadeschi unless we replace them properly it might be another season without us competing for the scudetto.
 

GrandeGigi

Senior Member
Sep 18, 2012
1,891
Can’t knock him on the line up.
However, it’s clear we are toothless if the opposition sits deep and give us no chances on the counter.
Looking at our remaining games, I can see a number of those teams throwing down the same challenge.

It’s on Max to try and find attacking patterns with what he has at his current disposal and not rely on intuition, moments of quality or luck in the final third.
 

Mokku

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2019
2,724
Nah, at the beginning of the season everyone here thought Barcelona was a finished squad and doomed after Messi left but this same team battered Real 4-0 in Bernabeau - we're years away from such a result. Xavi changed the style and mentality, he has a clear idea of play and they look sick even with those shitty defenders. Juventus play fossil football, a style that should be mummified and locked away forever. We ain't going nowhere until we modernise our approach to an attacking focussed one. If Allegri can't do it next season, he never will and it's no excuse to keep blaming players when the teams above us are equally mediocre.
 

Dominic

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2004
16,706
We play pragmatic football and win and the Allegri haters turn up in this thread complaining about his boring football.

We play adventurous, dominate a game and lose and the Allegri haters are back to complain we don’t win.

Substance over style all day long. Yesterday illustrates even further that this group of players doesn’t have the cutting edge to play on the front foot and break teams down the way Man City, Liverpool or Bayern can.
The current style is neither of those
 

juve_juve_juve

Junior Member
Oct 17, 2005
121
Nah, at the beginning of the season everyone here thought Barcelona was a finished squad and doomed after Messi left but this same team battered Real 4-0 in Bernabeau - we're years away from such a result. Xavi changed the style and mentality, he has a clear idea of play and they look sick even with those shitty defenders. Juventus play fossil football, a style that should be mummified and locked away forever. We ain't going nowhere until we modernise our approach to an attacking focussed one. If Allegri can't do it next season, he never will and it's no excuse to keep blaming players when the teams above us are equally mediocre.
Correction, Juventus as a club operates a fossilized approach to football. The club needs to acquire players that fit in such a vision first.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,767
Allegri: "The positive from today's defeat is that you all will stop saying 'Juventus can win the Scudetto'.

what a loser...
I called this yesterday :lol:. He knows that we had a chance, he kept downplaying it to the media so that he would relieve the pressure from the players (and himself). Now when he loses, he spins it round. What a loser.
 

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