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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
i get that argument and it's surely true that we missed some impact in the 2nd half, but dybala was our only player on the bench with any potential attacking impact, and he trained with the group only yesterday. and he's clearly not ready yet.

btw i honestly don't mind firing max at this point. at least the tuz extremely high iq brigade could shit on any random coach when our overpaid mercenaries and bunch of pussies choke against arsenal or betis next season.

fix the squad. otherwise we're the new milan post 2012 or inda post 2010.
The same thing happened in Ajax vs Benfica game.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,964
can we stop blaming player mistakes? every year it's always blamed on players. bentancur, or woj, or evra, or bonucci or cancelo.

what we need to understand it's normal that players make mistakes. other teams are not perfect and their players make mistakes too. the difference is there is a clear focus in mentality on getting a result instead of just sitting about absorbing pressure and being reactionary.

do liverpool, madrid, barca not make mistakes? of course they do, but they still win.
when you look at the players we came up against, half of them are spurs rejects, Parejo played for freaking QPR once ffs
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,944
The first mistake was caving as a management team and rehiring him. Should have just stuck with Pirlo. Just a huge move backwards for the club as a whole. And it's a fucking predictable one.
Pirlo? I'm not so sure. Allegri might well turn out to be a bad move, but I see him getting another season as long as we finish 4th. Agnelli at some point has to stick with a decision he has made, because this cycle of 4th and pathetic CL exit has to stop.
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,302
Pellegrini for Rabiot and Dybala for Morata I was hoping for.

We badly needed someone we could cross from the left side because we were too predictable. Morata was nowhere in the second half, our strikers were very high basically forcing us to play on the wings. Therefore someone like Dybala would be useful.

Collective failing honestly. Allegri waited to long and we conceded by 3 individual mistakes. But Villarreal sucked so hard that I can’t believe the game went in this way.
Dybala clearly wasn't fit. If he had even played some of the Sampdoria game I'd agree with you but he wasn't even fit enough for the bench 4 days ago. Plus we also needed to factor in that the game could easily have lasted for 120 mins, there is a good chance he wouldn't have been able to last that if we brought him on earlier. Morata was nowhere in the second half but he had a good first and is the sort of striker who wakes up suddenly.

Pellegrini maybe but he's a LB not a midfielder. I don't rate Rabiot but he was having a good game plus Pellegrini was poor offensively at the weekend.

They could have been worthwhile changes but I don't think they are obvious improvements. It's not like we had a Chiesa or fully fit Dybala on the bench.
 

#10

Senior Member
Jul 28, 2002
7,377
can we stop blaming player mistakes? every year it's always blamed on players. bentancur, or woj, or evra, or bonucci or cancelo.

what we need to understand it's normal that players make mistakes. other teams are not perfect and their players make mistakes too. the difference is there is a clear focus in mentality on getting a result instead of just sitting about absorbing pressure and being reactionary.

do liverpool, madrid, barca not make mistakes? of course they do, but they still win.
Excellent post. The culture / philosophy / plan / mentality - Allegro is the poster boy for it but I’d be inclined to look at the rest behind the scenes also.

We don’t attack well enough to give resilience.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,909
This isnt just about Allegri anymore. We lost to Ajax, Lyon, Porto, Villarreal. 3 different managers in that time. Cant really use the italian football excuse as euro 2021 showed what they can do. Something is fundamentally wrong in this club. Dare i say it since Marotta left.
The Italy that won the Euro's was probably the most attacking Italian side ever. Even Mancini was eventually able to figure things out.
 

mondo1

Senior Member
May 14, 2006
11,440
The Italy that won the Euro's was probably the most attacking Italian side ever. Even Mancini was eventually able to figure things out.
Still they needed 3 penalty shootouts to win it it’s not like they set the world on fire after the Belgium game


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Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
I agree with @s4tch
People wanting to sack Allegri should come with viable names to replace him. Managers who can work with dog shit players and with horse shit medical teams.
The medical team can fuck off. A new coach can bring his own. No more Italian coaches - that's all I want to see. I am tired of watching boring shitty football that has gotten us nowhere for almost half a decade now. Teams evolve, coaches evolve, systems evolve. We're stuck in the past with this guy deploying cautionary measures and being a pussy, instead of pressing hard and taking the initiative. We need a coach with balls, one who isn't afraid. Tonight, we were playing a provincial bunch of Spanish fags who are 7th in La Liga, and we got violated 3-0 at home. Some of that responsibility must reside with the coach. We need to be proactive, not reactive. It's one thing to deploy caution against a Bayern, a Liverpool or a Madrid. Getting our asses pumped at home because we were too scared of Villareal in the 2nd half? Inexcusable.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,651
I agree with @s4tch
People wanting to sack Allegri should come with viable names to replace him. Managers who can work with dog shit players and with horse shit medical teams.
oh man, trust me, they'll come up with names, plenty of those. just look at badass hyping landucci, a +50 guy who never coached in his life as a head coach lol, it means that literally anyone could qualify as an allegri replacement.
 

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