Massimiliano Allegri (536 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Yes, a top 3 coach in club's history and one of the best itw deserves time that Klopp, Guardiola etc got at their clubs.

Go dickride Sarri somewhere else please.

These guys all would have fired Klopp after he finished 8th, 4th, and 4th in his first three seasons at Pool. Coincidentally Pool also bought an entire squad over those 3 seasons for him.

People say Allegri can’t build a team but no one here knows that. He’s been here for 3 months with this squad that fell apart over the last three seasons. Building a squad from this shit takes time and multiple transfer windows, regardless of who the coach is. I’m not saying Allegri will succeed, or that current management is capable of even putting together a new dominant squad for the future, but any manager is going to have their work cut out for them over the next couple seasons with the squad we have.

 

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[Dostoevsky]

Conte left us in 2014 because he was unhappy with the quality of the squad and Allegri won a double and reached CL final... Vidal, Pirlo and the rock solid defense were fundamental for his first season here. Now Conte will have to coach mediocre overrated players with impotent attack no midfield and questionable defense. I'm not so sure that he would do any better.

Watch how we played before Conte arrived and how we played once he arrived. I've never seen such huge impact right from the start. We played with our heart and balls. Now we have neither.

 

[IlCapitano]

Agreed. Then why he made our players WORSE than they were?

Who has he made worse? This is just a continuation of the end of Pirlo's season. You're talking as if we won the title last season and didn't have to sit in fucking Bologna watching a small phone screen hoping for Verona to save our asses.

What's funny? Every club that ever rebuilt did this. We did it, Liverpool and City did it, Barcelona are doing it too.

I didn't say spend a billion to get 10 players, but get 10 new players. That was basically our MO under Marotta, change teams every year.

 

[juve123]

These guys all would have fired Klopp after he finished 8th, 4th, and 4th in his first three seasons at Pool. Coincidentally Pool also bought an entire squad over those 3 seasons for him.

People say Allegri can’t build a team but no one here knows that. He’s been here for 3 months with this squad that fell apart over the last three seasons. Building a squad from this shit takes time and multiple transfer windows, regardless of who the coach is. I’m not saying Allegri will succeed, or that current management is capable of even putting together a new dominant squad for the future, but any manager is going to have their work cut out for them over the next couple seasons with the squad we have.

Ironically Zidane wants a huge transfer budget for him to consider any coaching opportunity

 

[Hist]

Bringing up Sarri or Pirlo or Conte is a distraction. Allegri is failing....baaaad.

 

[kao_ray]

Watch how we played before Conte arrived and how we played once he arrived. I've never seen such huge impact right from the start. We played with our heart and balls. Now we have neither.

He did, but the team was better than the one right now. And during his first season there was a huge exodus from Juventus -Molinaro, Cannavaro, Almiron, Poulsen, Tiago, Diego, Trezeguet, Zebina, Camoranesi, Legrottaglie, Amauri

I'm afraid that we need to clean around the same number of players to make this team alive again.

 

[juve123]

Bringing up Sarri or Pirlo or Conte is a distraction. Allegri is failing....baaaad.

Yeah the so called big coaches like Zidane won't come without a huge transfer budget

 

[IlCapitano]

Watch how we played before Conte arrived and how we played once he arrived. I've never seen such huge impact right from the start. We played with our heart and balls. Now we have neither.

And what did Conte get? A complete clearout of any player he didn't want here. We invested heavily in Diego, Amauri and Felipe Melo not long before he came and we took losses on them just to get rid of them.

 

[Boksic]

No coach is doing anything with this squad.

You can't build a successful team with 1 midfielder who can pass and no centre forward.

Problem is we will miss out on the CL and don't have the money to fix our issues. Meaning we need to make smart low cost signings. When was the last time we did that?

 

[kappa96]

These guys all would have fired Klopp after he finished 8th, 4th, and 4th in his first three seasons at Pool. Coincidentally Pool also bought an entire squad over those 3 seasons for him.

People say Allegri can’t build a team but no one here knows that. He’s been here for 3 months with this squad that fell apart over the last three seasons. Building a squad from this shit takes time and multiple transfer windows, regardless of who the coach is. I’m not saying Allegri will succeed, or that current management is capable of even putting together a new dominant squad for the future, but any manager is going to have their work cut out for them over the next couple seasons with the squad we have.

Sorry bro , but this line of reasoning can be applied to the chain smoker and pirlo also.
We actually don't have any guarantees that he is going to build a great squad regardless of the number of mercato windows .
That's how arsenals are born. Keep hopping every year is going to be different.
Also not making cl is going to affect the quality of players brought in , while good players are going to want out.
The gist of it is , if he doesn't improve our fortunes over the likes of pirlo then he has to go.
Simple as that .
He aslo has 5 or 6 times pirloh salary . He was brought to improve . Failure to do so is inexcusable.
I'm not going to call for his head until the end of season , but we seem to go nowhere and we are right to be worried.

 

[juve123]

No coach is doing anything with this squad.

You can't build a successful team with 1 midfielder who can pass and no centre forward.

Problem is we will miss out on the CL and don't have the money to fix our issues. Meaning we need to make smart low cost signings. When was the last time we did that?

I don't understand why we can't spend money FFP is not applicable even Roma spent 100 million euros in the transfer market

 

[Pegi]

The reason is very simple. We had Pirlo who had zero experience as a coach, he had low wages too. We brought Allegri who has 5x bigger wages and good record behind him. And you wanna say we should stay the same? If that's true then firing Pirlo was the stupidest thing we did since we're wasting money on Allegri who's offering as much as him.

Firing Pirlo might have been the stupidiest thing, but so was getting rid of Max, then hiring Sarri and getting rid of him, then getting Pirlo and getting rid of him and then getting Max again. Our board is fully responsible for the players they've bought and trying to change coach every year to cover up their mistakes. I wouldn't even certainly blame our players, because they clearly weren't born with the capabilities to play proper football and our people caught the trap by buying them on first impression.

If i was responsible for this mess, i'd fire myself.

 

[Hist]

Yeah the so called big coaches like Zidane won't come without a huge transfer budget

Yup we are screwed. The choices are to either keep him around until his contract runs out or to bet on a young cheap coach and hope they turn out to be a gem. We will probably never sign a big coach again. They were too expensive in the past,and its only going to get worse.

The only saving grace is that we are still much wealthier than the local competition.

 

[Boksic]

I don't understand why we can't spend money FFP is not applicable even Roma spent 100 million euros in the transfer market

Because we already have financial issues. We can't just go out and spend money we don't have.

Well we can but that's how you end up like the Milan of the last decade (ignoring this year). I suppose we have been following their path so far of what not to do when reaching the end of a winning run, so maybe we will.

 

[juve123]

Because we already have financial issues. We can't just go out and spend money we don't have.

Well we can but that's how you end up like the Milan of the last decade (ignoring this year). I suppose we have been following their path so far of what not to do when reaching the end of a winning run, so maybe we will.

It is the only choice we have we need a clean slate as it happened in 2011 and obviously it will take time to restart any winning cycle but patience is needed from our spoilt fans

 

[Post Ironic]

Sorry bro , but this line of reasoning can be applied to the chain smoker and pirlo also.
We actually don't have any guarantees that he is going to build a great squad regardless of the number of mercato windows .
That's how arsenals are born. Keep hopping every year is going to be different.
Also not making cl is going to affect the quality of players brought in , while good players are going to want out.
The gist of it is , if he doesn't improve our fortunes over the likes of pirlo then he has to go.
Simple as that .
He aslo has 5 or 6 times pirloh salary . He was brought to improve . Failure to do so is inexcusable.
I'm not going to call for his head until the end of season , but we seem to go nowhere and we are right to be worried.

It can be applied to any successful coach. Allegri has a long history of success. Klopp does. Zidane does. Guardiola does. Conte does. Tuchel is building his. Etc.

Conte has crashed out of CL group stage 3 times in 5 attempts, with league champion quality teams. Klopp has 7th, 8th, 4th, 4th seasons on his resume from 2014-2018. He was hired by Liverpool after a disaster failure season at Dortmund and given time and a huge transfer budget to build his team. It took 3 years and a completely new squad by the time he was done.

Allegri has earned a measure of patience with his history. And his history isn’t a decade old. All of it is within the past 7 years. If we languish around mid table all season without any improvement, will I change my mind? Yes. I’m worried too. No doubt about it. But as long as I see us improving by the end of the season, he deserves the time and budget to build his team here.

 

[singus]

Yup we are screwed. The choices are to either keep him around until his contract runs out or to bet on a young cheap coach and hope they turn out to be a gem. We will probably never sign a big coach again. They were too expensive in the past,and its only going to get worse.

The only saving grace is that we are still much wealthier than the local competition.

Paying the salary of a good coach is still cheap relative to acquiring new players. I dont think salary is the key argument here. Its better to have a coach who can create a team and develop good players than to buy 5 new players and only utilize 50% of their abilities in a nonsensical tactical setup.

 

[Pegi]

Some of these players performed much better last year than this season. Today - not a single player in good form. How do you explain this?
Even the most protected player on this forum -De Ligt - is total shit right now.

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We lost 2 champions from our team and it might have massive effect on our young players. Buffon and Ronaldo clearly were 2 guys to hang around, to learn from and to look up to.

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Come on, stop with this BS. Cuad and Chiesa had outstanding season under Pirlo. Who is having a great season right now?
Even Loca started well and has faded away in recent weeks.
Allegri is the only one responsible for all of our players being trash.

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Best players will be able to adapt, no matter what.

 

[kappa96]

It can be applied to any successful coach. Allegri has a long history of success. Klopp does. Zidane does. Guardiola does. Conte does. Tuchel is building his. Etc.

Conte has crashed out of CL group stage 3 times in 5 attempts, with league champion quality teams. Klopp has 7th, 8th, 4th, 4th seasons on his resume from 2014-2018. He was hired by Liverpool after a disaster failure season at Dortmund and given time and a huge transfer budget to build his team. It took 3 years and a completely new squad by the time he was done.

Allegri has earned a measure of patience with his history. And his history isn’t a decade old. All of it is within the past 7 years. If we languish around mid table all season without any improvement, will I change my mind? Yes. I’m worried too. No doubt about it. But as long as I see us improving by the end of the season, he deserves the time and budget to build his team here.

I agree with this . Hopefully it all works out in the end. BTW upper management should f' off way before Max has any reason too.

 

[Boksic]

It is the only choice we have we need a clean slate as it happened in 2011 and obviously it will take time to restart any winning cycle but patience is needed from our spoilt fans

Yeah hard to see another way to do it. To be honest Marotta would be ideal for this situation. He is very astute at building teams at a low cost. I think he has his limits at taking them to the next level but we need a transfer director like that now. I'm not convinced we have a sporting director that can do that now.