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Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
I think most people conveniently forget that the actual downfall started with Max which eventually resulted in him getting sacked, and majority of the Juve fanbase world wide somewhat agreed that it was the right decision. Back then the team was arguably better. A shit coach like Sarri achieved the same result as Allegris last season, more or less.

How come this simple football and step-wise improvements were not implemented back then, and what makes us believe that now everything is gonna go great?
- This season started out as the worst season start in our history, just in the last 5 games have we gotten somewhat in control, at least defensively. But attack is still lacking and to be solved (which we can probably do) and we are still far behind in the league.
Personally Im not yet ready to bet on whether this season will be a success or another failure. It can go both ways, 5 times 1-0 victories (against some strong teams!) are still a small sample and what happens next time we throw points, how will we react? If we keep Inter away from noteworthy chances in next game, while staying in control and produces big chances ourselves, then I will start to believe that we can do something in Serie A this year (10 points to catch up on) + CL.
the dienfalll started because players were getting old and the board didn’t do an adequate job in replacing them. We lost Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, and Pogba one after the other and replaced them with players running on fumes, like Khedira and Matuidi.

we lost the midfield and didn’t replace it. Allegri bitched about it and got let go
 

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.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
82,842
I think most people conveniently forget that the actual downfall started with Max which eventually resulted in him getting sacked, and majority of the Juve fanbase world wide somewhat agreed that it was the right decision. Back then the team was arguably better. A shit coach like Sarri achieved the same result as Allegris last season, more or less.

How come this simple football and step-wise improvements were not implemented back then, and what makes us believe that now everything is gonna go great?
- This season started out as the worst season start in our history, just in the last 5 games have we gotten somewhat in control, at least defensively. But attack is still lacking and to be solved (which we can probably do) and we are still far behind in the league.
Personally Im not yet ready to bet on whether this season will be a success or another failure. It can go both ways, 5 times 1-0 victories (against some strong teams!) are still a small sample and what happens next time we throw points, how will we react? If we keep Inter away from noteworthy chances in next game, while staying in control and produces big chances ourselves, then I will start to believe that we can do something in Serie A this year (10 points to catch up on) + CL.
Keep practicing on improving your troll game. You’ve got plenty of room for improvement cutie
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
Minor gestures that Max brilliantly do goes off the radar like leaving the pitch straight to the locker room when a dangerous freekick was conceded and still 2 minutes left. It's like saying to his players "I trust you will get the job done".

These things matter and it's one of the reasons his players respect him and follow his instructions.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,311
Minor gestures that Max brilliantly do goes off the radar like leaving the pitch straight to the locker room when a dangerous freekick was conceded and still 2 minutes left. It's like saying to his players "I trust you will get the job done".

These things matter and it's one of the reasons his players respect him and follow his instructions.
Possible.

It can also be interpreted as him being pissed we were not smart and didn't keep the ball as much as we should, allowing for a stupid free kick in the end.

Berna was good at keeping the ball and drawing fouls recently and players like Arthur, Cuadrado, Chiesa and Kulu must also take this responsability in key closing moments of matches.
 

gray

Senior Member
Moderator
Apr 22, 2003
30,260
Minor gestures that Max brilliantly do goes off the radar like leaving the pitch straight to the locker room when a dangerous freekick was conceded and still 2 minutes left. It's like saying to his players "I trust you will get the job done".

These things matter and it's one of the reasons his players respect him and follow his instructions.
I thought the same thing, but apparently he did it because he was a bit pissed about the performance, but instead of confronting the players straight after the match he wanted to give them a chance to celebrate before he talked to them in the locker room.
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
We've played poorly in each of the wins other than the one against Chelsea, IMO. At least Max is recognizing this.

But how dare Allegri complain about the performance when we won against a "tough Zenit side." He sounds like a SarriBoy.
I think most people conveniently forget that the actual downfall started with Max which eventually resulted in him getting sacked, and majority of the Juve fanbase world wide somewhat agreed that it was the right decision. Back then the team was arguably better. A shit coach like Sarri achieved the same result as Allegris last season, more or less.

How come this simple football and step-wise improvements were not implemented back then, and what makes us believe that now everything is gonna go great?
- This season started out as the worst season start in our history, just in the last 5 games have we gotten somewhat in control, at least defensively. But attack is still lacking and to be solved (which we can probably do) and we are still far behind in the league.
Personally Im not yet ready to bet on whether this season will be a success or another failure. It can go both ways, 5 times 1-0 victories (against some strong teams!) are still a small sample and what happens next time we throw points, how will we react? If we keep Inter away from noteworthy chances in next game, while staying in control and produces big chances ourselves, then I will start to believe that we can do something in Serie A this year (10 points to catch up on) + CL.
This is why we need thumb down button.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
This is why we need thumb down button.
Yeah, when we want to change the ground truth, then its convenient to just deny :D. There is nothing in what I said there thats controversial or really my own opinion. Its undeniable that the club fired the shit out of Max as everything had gone south. Now we are trying to get back to a baseline, and from there, to great. Lots of unknowns yet, is what Im stating. That is unheard of though! :D
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
Yeah, when we want to change the ground truth, then its convenient to just deny :D. There is nothing in what I said there thats controversial or really my own opinion. Its undeniable that the club fired the shit out of Max as everything had gone south. Now we are trying to get back to a baseline, and from there, to great. Lots of unknowns yet, is what Im stating. That is unheard of though! :D
You said it - it's just your opinion. I don't agree that Allegri should have been fired, I don't agree that it was his fault that in 2018/19 things went down. I could defend my point of view deliberately, but looking at your constant spite against Allegri and you even have the audacity to be negative on him after he managed to shut the gates in front of our goal for 4 games in a row which is something that hasn't happened in years just shows that having a discussion with you is a complete waste of time.

And this is why it would have been awesome to have thumbs down just to spare myself some time.

And read what Allegri said after the game

Allegri: "I'm happy with the result but we played really bad. I didn't want to meet the players right after the game or I would have ruined the party. Good thing is that we will play vs Inter with the right motivations"
@Tuttosport

Of course he knows that the team must play a lot better upfront. Damn, I miss the thumbs down button.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
You said it - it's just your opinion. I don't agree that Allegri should have been fired, I don't agree that it was his fault that in 2018/19 things went down. I could defend my point of view deliberately, but looking at your constant spite against Allegri and you even have the audacity to be negative on him after he managed to shut the gates in front of our goal for 4 games in a row which is something that hasn't happened in years just shows that having a discussion with you is a complete waste of time.

And this is why it would have been awesome to have thumbs down just to spare myself some time.

And read what Allegri said after the game

Allegri: "I'm happy with the result but we played really bad. I didn't want to meet the players right after the game or I would have ruined the party. Good thing is that we will play vs Inter with the right motivations"
@Tuttosport

Of course he knows that the team must play a lot better upfront. Damn, I miss the thumbs down button.
Okay you dont agree he should have been fired, but majority probably did. Isnt that normal, that some is for and some is against? Sorry that I didnt ask you. And nah, Im not hating on Allegri after these victories. Im saying its an impressive streak, in that same post that you want to dislike. Great logic dude. And then you go on to quote Allegri saying himself that there is room for improvement lol. So whats the problem that others mention that there is room for improvement?? Why are some of you diehard Allegri lovers so sensitive?
You might have convinced me here regarding a dislike button, as Id rather see a dislike from you than an incoherent answer like this.
 
Jun 6, 2015
11,391
Okay you dont agree he should have been fired, but majority probably did. Isnt that normal, that some is for and some is against? Sorry that I didnt ask you. And nah, Im not hating on Allegri after these victories. Im saying its an impressive streak, in that same post that you want to dislike. Great logic dude. And then you go on to quote Allegri saying himself that there is room for improvement lol. So whats the problem that others mention that there is room for improvement?? Why are some of you diehard Allegri lovers so sensitive?
You might have convinced me here regarding a dislike button, as Id rather see a dislike from you than an incoherent answer like this.
Correction. Among those Juve fans who have the patience of a three month old poodle and who lack the tacdical acumen to understand the finer details of the beautiful game. The true connoisseurs of the game always knew it was a mistake.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Okay you dont agree he should have been fired, but majority probably did. Isnt that normal, that some is for and some is against? Sorry that I didnt ask you. And nah, Im not hating on Allegri after these victories. Im saying its an impressive streak, in that same post that you want to dislike. Great logic dude. And then you go on to quote Allegri saying himself that there is room for improvement lol. So whats the problem that others mention that there is room for improvement?? Why are some of you diehard Allegri lovers so sensitive?
You might have convinced me here regarding a dislike button, as Id rather see a dislike from you than an incoherent answer like this.
Il nuovo Pavle right here :lol:
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
Correction. Among those Juve fans who have the patience of a three month old poodle and who lack the tacdical acumen to understand the finer details of the beautiful game. The true connoisseurs of the game always knew it was a mistake.
Is that how you think about 50% of the forum users or more? How you think of our whole club and fans? Quite a statement. But respect for saying it out loud with no filter.
 
Jun 6, 2015
11,391
Is that how you think about 50% of the forum users or more? How you think of our whole club and fans? Quite a statement. But respect for saying it out loud with no filter.
Everyone can make a mistake in judgement but thankfully many have realised their mistake and have evolved from three month old poodles to full grown EuroMaxists ;)

I also don't think majority of the fans on here were too strongly in favour of getting rid of Allegri anyways. People were simply perhaps a bit bored and thought why not try something different. I do understand that it's not always easy to see what you've got before you lose it.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I think most people conveniently forget that the actual downfall started with Max which eventually resulted in him getting sacked, and majority of the Juve fanbase world wide somewhat agreed that it was the right decision. Back then the team was arguably better. A shit coach like Sarri achieved the same result as Allegris last season, more or less.

How come this simple football and step-wise improvements were not implemented back then, and what makes us believe that now everything is gonna go great?
- This season started out as the worst season start in our history, just in the last 5 games have we gotten somewhat in control, at least defensively. But attack is still lacking and to be solved (which we can probably do) and we are still far behind in the league.
Personally Im not yet ready to bet on whether this season will be a success or another failure. It can go both ways, 5 times 1-0 victories (against some strong teams!) are still a small sample and what happens next time we throw points, how will we react? If we keep Inter away from noteworthy chances in next game, while staying in control and produces big chances ourselves, then I will start to believe that we can do something in Serie A this year (10 points to catch up on) + CL.
When was this?
 

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