Ideally our current midfielders should be a backup. Only Pjanic could feature regularly, but his glaring weakness is inconsistency. We use to win games because of our midfield, now we win despite our midfield.
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+ Davids who's basically on par with them. The difference in other lines is striking too. Lippi had Alessio Tacchinardi while Max has to deal with Khedira and Can. Lippi had monstrous Montero, and Juliano, and Ferrara in defence (I'd like to put Bonucci and Montero in the same team and watch what happens btw 
). Lippi had a supreme squad with no flaws whatsoever.
Can was at best 5th choice in last year's Liverpool midfield behind Henderson, Milner, Chamberlain, Wijnaldum and would probably be behind Llalana as well if Llalana's fit. With Fabinho and Keita he would have been even further behind in the pecking order. Can would have had no place at Juve if he wasn't free and Juve weren't saving money on midfield to afford a CL winning capable attack.
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Claudio never really recovered after that nasty injury, Bentancur was too raw, Khedira was better than we've seen him so far this season. So, basically, these guys were on the same average level. And it's obvious why Max preferred Khedira. He's the most experienced of them, he's very smart, and, as far as I remember, he even scored quite a lot of goals last years (even with a hat trick).
Yes! I still struggle to understand why he was allowed to do that. That was a "WTF?!" level of cheating and had nothing to do with the rules of football.
Yes! I still struggle to understand why he was allowed to do that. That was a "WTF?!" level of cheating and had nothing to do with the rules of football.
Lmao
We need to lose a game?
You mean like a healthy loss?
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ASAP would mean our next game which is Coppa which would kick us out of a completion for silverware.
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Second coolest member...if by coolest you mean furthest from the truth playing hot and cold yeah that sounds about right
We need to lose a game?
You mean like a healthy loss?
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ASAP would mean our next game which is Coppa which would kick us out of a completion for silverware.
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Second coolest member...if by coolest you mean furthest from the truth playing hot and cold yeah that sounds about right
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You are right.
He was truly the engine of the team, he drove us forward and was always there to take long shots Outside the area or fight for everyball. Without him, we were simply not good enough that season. Not good enough to win the CL i mean. He was too inspired
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The thing is that allegri should have asked more vividly for a capable midfielder or 2, not this past summer but the others.
This summer everything got stopped because we needed to fund ronaldo, that i can understand.... But since khedira came, allegri has been way too conformist by not asking anyone else. Thats his fault.
He was truly the engine of the team, he drove us forward and was always there to take long shots Outside the area or fight for everyball. Without him, we were simply not good enough that season. Not good enough to win the CL i mean. He was too inspired
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The thing is that allegri should have asked more vividly for a capable midfielder or 2, not this past summer but the others.
This summer everything got stopped because we needed to fund ronaldo, that i can understand.... But since khedira came, allegri has been way too conformist by not asking anyone else. Thats his fault.
Allegri: Juve not CL favourites | Football Italia
Max Allegri insists Juventus are not Champions League favourites but assures Leonardo Bonucci’s injury is ‘less serious’ than they first feared.
Bonucci is facing a month out with an ankle injury, potentially ruling him out of Juve’s Champions League last-16 tie with Atletico Madrid.
“Pjanic and Khedira are available, maybe Mandzukic too,” Allegri said at a Press conference for Wednesday’s Coppa Italia quarter-final against Atalanta.
“Barzagli, Cuadrado and Bonucci won’t be there. For Bonucci, the injury is less serious than first thought. Caceres, if everything goes smoothly, will be available tomorrow.
“Chiellini, Rugani and Cancelo will play, but I still have to decide who plays on the left and assess the rest, given we play again on Saturday night.
“Matuidi could play. Regarding injuries, you can’t reason with fear: you can’t know what happens. You accept the unexpected and move on.
“Will Ronaldo play? I’ll talk to him today. He’s having an excellent year on a physical level, with so much intensity.
“We’ll then have a bit of a breather, even if this is our most important week so far, as the following two weeks give us more time to recover.
“Tomorrow Szczesny will play, Perin will on Saturday. Dybala? He had chances on Sunday night and gives us a big hand in terms of sacrifice and build-up play.
“Football is unpredictable, as was the case in Rome. We played badly at the start but scored when we were at our best.
“Away from home? We’ll play where we’re told to play. We’re playing lots of games and tomorrow we have another away game: it’s practice for the Champions League too.
“It’s not written anywhere that we’re super-favourites for the Champions League. That would be madness.
“By doing that, you don’t experience the competition as it should be experienced, that is as an objective to bring home, if we play well and are lucky.
“The League is played over 38 games and you can afford to drop off in one game, but tomorrow we can’t and the same goes for the Champions League.
“It won’t be easy tomorrow. Atalanta are in good shape and they came back against Roma, creating a lot.
“There will be pressure, so whoever make the least mistakes will win. You struggle against them because they’re a physical team with a propensity to attack, but it’s also true that they concede a lot.
“We’ll have to exploit their flaws, while remaining attentive to their strengths. For our opponents it’ll be an important evening, but we must look at ourselves, conquer the semi-finals and try to play in our fifth consecutive Final.”
Max Allegri insists Juventus are not Champions League favourites but assures Leonardo Bonucci’s injury is ‘less serious’ than they first feared.
Bonucci is facing a month out with an ankle injury, potentially ruling him out of Juve’s Champions League last-16 tie with Atletico Madrid.
“Pjanic and Khedira are available, maybe Mandzukic too,” Allegri said at a Press conference for Wednesday’s Coppa Italia quarter-final against Atalanta.
“Barzagli, Cuadrado and Bonucci won’t be there. For Bonucci, the injury is less serious than first thought. Caceres, if everything goes smoothly, will be available tomorrow.
“Chiellini, Rugani and Cancelo will play, but I still have to decide who plays on the left and assess the rest, given we play again on Saturday night.
“Matuidi could play. Regarding injuries, you can’t reason with fear: you can’t know what happens. You accept the unexpected and move on.
“Will Ronaldo play? I’ll talk to him today. He’s having an excellent year on a physical level, with so much intensity.
“We’ll then have a bit of a breather, even if this is our most important week so far, as the following two weeks give us more time to recover.
“Tomorrow Szczesny will play, Perin will on Saturday. Dybala? He had chances on Sunday night and gives us a big hand in terms of sacrifice and build-up play.
“Football is unpredictable, as was the case in Rome. We played badly at the start but scored when we were at our best.
“Away from home? We’ll play where we’re told to play. We’re playing lots of games and tomorrow we have another away game: it’s practice for the Champions League too.
“It’s not written anywhere that we’re super-favourites for the Champions League. That would be madness.
“By doing that, you don’t experience the competition as it should be experienced, that is as an objective to bring home, if we play well and are lucky.
“The League is played over 38 games and you can afford to drop off in one game, but tomorrow we can’t and the same goes for the Champions League.
“It won’t be easy tomorrow. Atalanta are in good shape and they came back against Roma, creating a lot.
“There will be pressure, so whoever make the least mistakes will win. You struggle against them because they’re a physical team with a propensity to attack, but it’s also true that they concede a lot.
“We’ll have to exploit their flaws, while remaining attentive to their strengths. For our opponents it’ll be an important evening, but we must look at ourselves, conquer the semi-finals and try to play in our fifth consecutive Final.”
We played against stronger opponent, yes. But is that indication that we were better team? Juve struggle whenever we have been placed in position of favorites. Often failing to raise for the occassion. Next year we lost to Deportivo, then Liverpool, Arsenal, barely made it against Werder, etc... We were favorites unlike against Real or Barca that had 100% score that season. In direct showdown between the sides in Serie A each team won at home. Identical result iirc. Their midfield was miles ahead of ours without Nedved. They had friggin' Rivaldo on the bench.
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We barely made it out of group stage iirc in 2003...
Over the course of 38 games we were better team, no doubt but without player like Nedved would we finish ahead of them in Serie A?
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We barely made it out of group stage iirc in 2003...
Over the course of 38 games we were better team, no doubt but without player like Nedved would we finish ahead of them in Serie A?
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And we were still considered favourites going into that final. Unlike against Barca and Madrid.
Choking when we are positioned as the favourites doesn’t mean we weren’t favourites. It means we underperformed.
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Maybe our healthy loss can come in the CL final again?
Choking when we are positioned as the favourites doesn’t mean we weren’t favourites. It means we underperformed.
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Maybe our healthy loss can come in the CL final again?
Oh, I agree that Nedved was a huge loss. He was incredible that season. Absurd that he missed the final for that ticky tack card against Madrid.
What I was originally referencing is the post that said Allegri wasn’t good enough to win a CL like Lippi.
Even if you want to say we were not favourites against Milan, at worst, we were on a level with them going in, and clear favourites in the other 3.
We have been clear underdogs in the 2 finals with Allegri. If Allegri had 3 cracks at the CL final with the clear best team, I’m pretty certain he’d succeed too.
What I was originally referencing is the post that said Allegri wasn’t good enough to win a CL like Lippi.
Even if you want to say we were not favourites against Milan, at worst, we were on a level with them going in, and clear favourites in the other 3.
We have been clear underdogs in the 2 finals with Allegri. If Allegri had 3 cracks at the CL final with the clear best team, I’m pretty certain he’d succeed too.