Massimiliano Allegri (224 Viewers)
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there are coaches who teach players offensive patterns of movements till they become second nature to the players. Max simply doesn't do that he himself said it. There was a great article about this I am gonna look for it for you and will post if I find it.
Also we were clearly more offensive than normal against Madrid and Bayern in the return legs. Same players same everything.
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its an obvious distinction when you have one and not the other no?
Arsenal is the famous extreme case on one end... probably we (or ATM) are the extreme case on the other end.
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Thats the same argument Mourinho used to make about his teams. "We scored x amount of goals which is amongst the big teams in Europe what defensive football are you talking about?" but everyone watching knows its defensive as fuck.
And to your first claim ""Beautiful football" for me firstly is winning". Well yeah proper offensive football should help you win but that doesn't mean that any winning football is beautiful.
You can enjoy 90 min of mis-passes and clearances and freaky goals I am not saying you cant but 99% of the world football audience have different standards of beauty than what you have grown to love out of necessity of supporting Juve. You are the guy thats into BBWs in the football world. You have your taste but most dont share it.
Its no surprise no big FB page or group about football shares any Juve material despite our far CL runs but they share every other big team's stuff. Its not appealing to non-hardcore fans.
Hell this forum is hardcore Juve fans that talk about the club hours a day and half of it are bored. Guess how the mainstream non-juve fan thinks.
Also we were clearly more offensive than normal against Madrid and Bayern in the return legs. Same players same everything.
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its an obvious distinction when you have one and not the other no?
Arsenal is the famous extreme case on one end... probably we (or ATM) are the extreme case on the other end.
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Thats the same argument Mourinho used to make about his teams. "We scored x amount of goals which is amongst the big teams in Europe what defensive football are you talking about?" but everyone watching knows its defensive as fuck.
And to your first claim ""Beautiful football" for me firstly is winning". Well yeah proper offensive football should help you win but that doesn't mean that any winning football is beautiful.
You can enjoy 90 min of mis-passes and clearances and freaky goals I am not saying you cant but 99% of the world football audience have different standards of beauty than what you have grown to love out of necessity of supporting Juve. You are the guy thats into BBWs in the football world. You have your taste but most dont share it.
Its no surprise no big FB page or group about football shares any Juve material despite our far CL runs but they share every other big team's stuff. Its not appealing to non-hardcore fans.
Hell this forum is hardcore Juve fans that talk about the club hours a day and half of it are bored. Guess how the mainstream non-juve fan thinks.
No point for anyone even discussing this with a whiny bitch of a fan who confesses he doesn't even watch our matches but instead the extended highlights. Add to that, he's also frequently chosen to watch other matches instead of ours.
Couldn’t disagree more with this. I see a lot of mentioned news of Juve in general football, maybe it’s different for you but certainly in Europe we’re everywhere.
Also whenever any of my friends watch a Juve game they often comment on how surprised they are by the high quality of football we play. A lot of it is how we’re marketed and sadly Italian teams in general are associated with tactics and defence due to their invention of catenaccio - which isn’t really present in modern Italian football. Its the association with that which switches some people off but in reality when they watch us they find something completely different.
Also whenever any of my friends watch a Juve game they often comment on how surprised they are by the high quality of football we play. A lot of it is how we’re marketed and sadly Italian teams in general are associated with tactics and defence due to their invention of catenaccio - which isn’t really present in modern Italian football. Its the association with that which switches some people off but in reality when they watch us they find something completely different.
Allegri will stay at Juventus & will possibly sign a new contract with a salary increase. The Italian coach will have a decisive meeting with the management at the end of the season. (Rai)
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Remembered for 2 CL finals in 20 years time ?
We're not Napoli ffs.
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20 years from now Max won’t be remembered by 4 straight doubles, 2 CL finals and biggest part of a 7 year winning streak.
No.
He will be remembered for boring tactics.
Fuck
No.
He will be remembered for boring tactics.
Fuck
We're not Napoli ffs.
20 years from now Max won’t be remembered by 4 straight doubles, 2 CL finals and biggest part of a 7 year winning streak.
No.
He will be remembered for boring tactics.
$#@!
No.
He will be remembered for boring tactics.
$#@!
All we remember now is that they dominated Italy winning Serie A and reached CL final 3 years and won one.
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All of these are excellent points on why Allegri is so incredibly good at what he does.
Said it time and again. His team will start off bad, and all we need is to be close to série a top, and still in coppa and CL after new-year.
He was kinda fucked by injuries this season tho. And still, look how close he got us to be in another semi final +double.
Said it time and again. His team will start off bad, and all we need is to be close to série a top, and still in coppa and CL after new-year.
He was kinda fucked by injuries this season tho. And still, look how close he got us to be in another semi final +double.
No point for anyone even discussing this with a whiny bitch of a fan who confesses he doesn't even watch our matches but instead the extended highlights. Add to that, he's also frequently chosen to watch other matches instead of ours.
And to think that people like Hist have an opinion that managers like Inzaghi, Sarri, Klopp or Pochettino can do better in these complicated circumstances is beyond weird.
Cant argue with what he has achieved in italy..phenominal even if other teams are somewhat shit and inconsistent but he has achieved an amazing set of results.
Brought us back into CL contention. Clearly an improvement over conte in this area.
My only beef with allegri is his approach to big CL games. Consistently opts for a defensive approach which sees the team struggle and go into its shell. I just want once for him to take the approach which points to us wanting to win instead of choosing to be defensive and before kick off putting it out there that we are no favs to win it.
I want to impose ourselves in the CL.
Side note...his hard on for Khedira is detrimental to us against the best in europe. His lack of faith in players under 25 years of age is also detrimental. His need to constantly request these average italian players as stop gaps in his team is not great either.
His want to change formation to a more attacking one but chooses mandzukic in his line up as a defensive forward does my head in.
Wtf is khedira playing a head of Marchisio about?
Recent rumours point to a major squad change. Is allegri the man to manage that change? Are we in need of change?
Brought us back into CL contention. Clearly an improvement over conte in this area.
My only beef with allegri is his approach to big CL games. Consistently opts for a defensive approach which sees the team struggle and go into its shell. I just want once for him to take the approach which points to us wanting to win instead of choosing to be defensive and before kick off putting it out there that we are no favs to win it.
I want to impose ourselves in the CL.
Side note...his hard on for Khedira is detrimental to us against the best in europe. His lack of faith in players under 25 years of age is also detrimental. His need to constantly request these average italian players as stop gaps in his team is not great either.
His want to change formation to a more attacking one but chooses mandzukic in his line up as a defensive forward does my head in.
Wtf is khedira playing a head of Marchisio about?
Recent rumours point to a major squad change. Is allegri the man to manage that change? Are we in need of change?
Grow up says the guy endlessly crying and bitching about Allegri's style like a 2 year old throwing his toys out of the pram because he wants shiny new ones.
Personally I'm not the biggest fan of his style. But its like many football followers who are not a fan of someone like Pep's style(which I am a big fan of), its easy to point it out and attack those two managers respective styles when they lose. But the only way to objectively assess whether or not that style is successful is to look at results. Allegri's style has got Juve to two CL finals in his four seasons as Juve manager, only Real Madrid have reached more finals in that period? So the fact is, his style no matter whether you're a fan of it or not has been extremely successful. If we don't consider him to be a huge success in the CL in those four years, then only Real Madrid can be considered a real success, and that would imply that everybody else failed. That's a pretty unrealistic standard to impose, when all but one team is a success and the rest are branded failures.
Why can't people just say Allegri has been a huge success, but I don't like our style of play. That would be a somewhat valid statement at least, even though it would be very subjective of course, but still at least you're not denying the man the credit he deserves for the results he's achieved.
Why can't people just say Allegri has been a huge success, but I don't like our style of play. That would be a somewhat valid statement at least, even though it would be very subjective of course, but still at least you're not denying the man the credit he deserves for the results he's achieved.
But technical football has nothing to do with “attractive football”. The Serie A (and Italian players in general) are all very technical players. That’s why I always find it retarded, when people talk about the technical level of Italian players being low. We saw it at the last Euros that even bad Italian players have a high technical level. That’s why you should never rule out the Italian nt. It’s the same in Spain, but their talent is better.