Massimiliano Allegri (329 Viewers)
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1st, he didnt build shit, he didnt buy none of those players, he was being given them. coaches dont buy players unless they are in England and call themself managers, when will people finally learn this? very limited squad 
also, you obviously dont know much about the BL 10 years ago, Bayern was far from what it is today in terms of league dominance, league was also far more balanced than it is now. VW won the title in 2009, Bayern responded with buying Robben, Olic, Gomez etc, and reclaimed the throne. barely, do i need to say? they were tied with Schalke at 64 pts 2 games before season end, they finished with 70 pts out of a possible 101. this Schalke team with Farfan as its star player should have no business competing with Bayern for the title, dot you think? next season, Dortmund won the title,with an astonishing 75 pts out of 101. Bayern was 3rd with 65, 5 pts better than Hannover and 3 pts behind 2nd place Leverkusen, and had they not fired Van Gaal somewhere around March, they wouldnt even have made the CL. props to Klopp for beating this super strong Bayern, and to Leverkusen as well i guess. Sahin was the seasons best player after which he went to Madrid, Kagawa, Hummels, Gotze, Lewa were emerging, it was a young and talented team on a rise that took its opportunity when Bayern was down. next season Bayerns rise started under Heynckes, but they still won only 73 pts (probably due to lack of depth and a deep CL run) and finished 2nd, and still needed some rebuilding to be done. the very next season, Bayern won 91 pts, and from this moment on, Klopp had no chance of ever sniffing to a title again. its the same story with Leicester, they had the luck of all top teams underachieving at the same time, and them having an extraordinary year for their standards, so they managed to win the league with 81 pts out of a possible 114. can you imagine them having their historical year this season? theyd probably finish 3rd or 4th, and wouldnt even be nearly as legendary and memorable as it was. you can say the same about Atletico, atleast one of Barcelona and Madrid have won atleast 91 points in all of the seasons since Ronaldo joined Madrid, except that one time when Atletico won the title and they both finished with 87. still, id consider Atleticos achievement much more impressive than Dortmunds even if it was only one year, since they beat 2 top teams and still needed to win 90pts. Monaco is the other impressive team, they won with 95 pts, so you cant say it was because PSG had a bad year. they legit beat them at their near best.
Klopps and Simeones impressive results are the CL finals they reached, or to be precise, eliminating Barcelona, Bayern and Madrid. same as Allegri. i kind of expect that Dortmund to knock out Shakhtar and Malaga (they barely won with 2 extratime goals) or the champions of Spain to eliminate a Milan and Chelsea side in shambles, or PSV in 2016 (which they barely won, on penalties lol). but those 3 duels vs Barcelona twice and Bayern once for Simeone, and Real Madrid once vs Klopp, those are their most impressive results so far. Allegri eliminated both Real and Barcelona (could have beaten both one more time with no ref mistakes), and could have be the only one to eliminate all of the big 3, if not for Moratas offside goal vs Bayern being disallowed. Klopp this season hasnt beaten a single one of the big 3, and unless he does so, this shouldnt be some extraordinary surprise. he still sucks in the league, never the less
also, you obviously dont know much about the BL 10 years ago, Bayern was far from what it is today in terms of league dominance, league was also far more balanced than it is now. VW won the title in 2009, Bayern responded with buying Robben, Olic, Gomez etc, and reclaimed the throne. barely, do i need to say? they were tied with Schalke at 64 pts 2 games before season end, they finished with 70 pts out of a possible 101. this Schalke team with Farfan as its star player should have no business competing with Bayern for the title, dot you think? next season, Dortmund won the title,with an astonishing 75 pts out of 101. Bayern was 3rd with 65, 5 pts better than Hannover and 3 pts behind 2nd place Leverkusen, and had they not fired Van Gaal somewhere around March, they wouldnt even have made the CL. props to Klopp for beating this super strong Bayern, and to Leverkusen as well i guess. Sahin was the seasons best player after which he went to Madrid, Kagawa, Hummels, Gotze, Lewa were emerging, it was a young and talented team on a rise that took its opportunity when Bayern was down. next season Bayerns rise started under Heynckes, but they still won only 73 pts (probably due to lack of depth and a deep CL run) and finished 2nd, and still needed some rebuilding to be done. the very next season, Bayern won 91 pts, and from this moment on, Klopp had no chance of ever sniffing to a title again. its the same story with Leicester, they had the luck of all top teams underachieving at the same time, and them having an extraordinary year for their standards, so they managed to win the league with 81 pts out of a possible 114. can you imagine them having their historical year this season? theyd probably finish 3rd or 4th, and wouldnt even be nearly as legendary and memorable as it was. you can say the same about Atletico, atleast one of Barcelona and Madrid have won atleast 91 points in all of the seasons since Ronaldo joined Madrid, except that one time when Atletico won the title and they both finished with 87. still, id consider Atleticos achievement much more impressive than Dortmunds even if it was only one year, since they beat 2 top teams and still needed to win 90pts. Monaco is the other impressive team, they won with 95 pts, so you cant say it was because PSG had a bad year. they legit beat them at their near best.
Klopps and Simeones impressive results are the CL finals they reached, or to be precise, eliminating Barcelona, Bayern and Madrid. same as Allegri. i kind of expect that Dortmund to knock out Shakhtar and Malaga (they barely won with 2 extratime goals) or the champions of Spain to eliminate a Milan and Chelsea side in shambles, or PSV in 2016 (which they barely won, on penalties lol). but those 3 duels vs Barcelona twice and Bayern once for Simeone, and Real Madrid once vs Klopp, those are their most impressive results so far. Allegri eliminated both Real and Barcelona (could have beaten both one more time with no ref mistakes), and could have be the only one to eliminate all of the big 3, if not for Moratas offside goal vs Bayern being disallowed. Klopp this season hasnt beaten a single one of the big 3, and unless he does so, this shouldnt be some extraordinary surprise. he still sucks in the league, never the less
He will not. Im pretty sure of that. If he did, it means that he had a major fallout with the board, and if that happened, he would resign before having to comfront the board openly.
If he hasnt in the precious years, why he would in this year? is his 4th here..he should have make himself be heard after we sold a lot of players after his first season.
If he hasnt in the precious years, why he would in this year? is his 4th here..he should have make himself be heard after we sold a lot of players after his first season.
Are you telling me that Klopp wouldn't win Serie A in its current state with by far the best team? :
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Because that's exactly what Allegri is doing.
Klopp has done everything Allegri has done, while playing better football with lesser players.
:Because that's exactly what Allegri is doing.
Klopp has done everything Allegri has done, while playing better football with lesser players.
You are embarrassing yourself as per usual.
This Liverpool side does not have any players apart from Salah that would make our starting 11.
Dortmund 2013 had 2 to 4 players that would make our starting 11 (Lewa, Reus, maybe Gundogan, maybe Hummels)
Klopp plays spectacular attacking football with these sides, and beats teams with far superior individual quality (Real Madrid 2013, Manchester City 2018).
He is a world class coach.
This Liverpool side does not have any players apart from Salah that would make our starting 11.
Dortmund 2013 had 2 to 4 players that would make our starting 11 (Lewa, Reus, maybe Gundogan, maybe Hummels)
Klopp plays spectacular attacking football with these sides, and beats teams with far superior individual quality (Real Madrid 2013, Manchester City 2018).
He is a world class coach.
I agree, however I think there is two problems that Allegri needs to address:
1. He is a reactionary type rather than someone who is looking to take control from the start.
2. He needs to learn how to make use of the momentum. Juve literally had Real Madrid on the ropes at 3-0, could have really buried them, especially considering their was half an hour left.
wow youre actually an idiot, didnt think you were. missing the point of the conversation completely.
but since youre only capable of comprehending limited amount of information at once, ill give you some food for thought. how many teams were better than Klopps Dortmund in the BL in 14/15? what position did Klopps Dortmund finish in this same season? lets see if you will realize how stupid your original argument was, or will you continue to chew on the same BS as per usual
but since youre only capable of comprehending limited amount of information at once, ill give you some food for thought. how many teams were better than Klopps Dortmund in the BL in 14/15? what position did Klopps Dortmund finish in this same season? lets see if you will realize how stupid your original argument was, or will you continue to chew on the same BS as per usual
Klopp had one bad season, big deal. Allegri had a bad season in 2013/14. Which is why most people didn't want him, as you can tell by the first page on this thread.
Keep making excuses why attacking football supposedly doesn't work in the CL unless you have lots of world class players, while Klopp keeps proving it wrong.
Keep making excuses why attacking football supposedly doesn't work in the CL unless you have lots of world class players, while Klopp keeps proving it wrong.
ofcourse you cant see it, i asked you about Klopps 14/15 season in correlation to you saying he would easily win the league with the best team, and you bring up Allegris 13/14 season 
i mean, how clueless can one be
i mean, how clueless can one be