From what I remember from 2015 against Real Madrid, it was a real good team effort, and not that much individual brilliance, 2017 against Barcelona was maybe more individual brilliance.
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No, that's Dybala's role. Team did brilliantly to get him the ball in very dangerous areas and he did nothing with it. Same for Costa. Higuain switched sides two times in the first half and gave him the ball 1 on 1 vs Marcelo/Ramos and he fucked up both times. Dybala got 1 on 1 with Ramos and provided a lousy shot. Two free kicks were also great team play to get Dybala in his favorite/most dangerous piece of field. Ideal positions and he should've hit at least one of those. Those were half chances because our best players couldn't finish it off. If Real or Barcelona get their best players (other than CR or Messi) in same situations they score 2-3 goals.
Our midfield upgraded on paper. On the field Khedira is falling apart most of the season, Marchisio too. Matuidi was out for one month while in best run of form. Pjanić is the only one consistent throughout and even he was pretty bad for the last month or so.
Our midfield upgraded on paper. On the field Khedira is falling apart most of the season, Marchisio too. Matuidi was out for one month while in best run of form. Pjanić is the only one consistent throughout and even he was pretty bad for the last month or so.
Complete and utter nonsense.
Ronaldo's first goal was a much better chance than any chance Dybala got all game. Ronaldo missed a sitter in the 91st minute that was even easier to score than his first goal. Dybala did not even get close to the service Ronaldo got.
When Dybala was 1-on-1 with Marcelo, Ramos fouled him and he won a free kick. Dybala also won a free kick from Modric's foul. Dybala was winning his own free kicks. What % of free kicks result in goals? The fact that you blame Dybala for not scoring his free kick as the reason why we lost 3-0, shows just how poor our game was from open play.
Ramos' slide tackle was the closest thing Dybala got to a chance, and even that one wasn't easy. Instead of shooting, Dybala could have cut back, then the ball would have ended on his weaker foot. He also could have kept on dribbling, which would have made the angle of the shot much harder.
This so called service for Dybala is complete and utter bollocks. Dybala frequently had to drop into his own half just to receive the ball, because the team wasn't creating anything.
Steve Nicol: "The two chances they had came from set pieces. I'm shocked at how bad Juventus were on the ball. It was really a case of "let's give it to Dybala and see what he can do", because after him, there was absolutely zero coming from anywhere."
Everyone apart from Allegri apologists can see just how terrible we are on the ball. La Liga teams like Sevilla and Valencia pass the ball better against Real Madrid/Barcelona than we do.
Ronaldo's first goal was a much better chance than any chance Dybala got all game. Ronaldo missed a sitter in the 91st minute that was even easier to score than his first goal. Dybala did not even get close to the service Ronaldo got.
When Dybala was 1-on-1 with Marcelo, Ramos fouled him and he won a free kick. Dybala also won a free kick from Modric's foul. Dybala was winning his own free kicks. What % of free kicks result in goals? The fact that you blame Dybala for not scoring his free kick as the reason why we lost 3-0, shows just how poor our game was from open play.
Ramos' slide tackle was the closest thing Dybala got to a chance, and even that one wasn't easy. Instead of shooting, Dybala could have cut back, then the ball would have ended on his weaker foot. He also could have kept on dribbling, which would have made the angle of the shot much harder.
This so called service for Dybala is complete and utter bollocks. Dybala frequently had to drop into his own half just to receive the ball, because the team wasn't creating anything.
Steve Nicol: "The two chances they had came from set pieces. I'm shocked at how bad Juventus were on the ball. It was really a case of "let's give it to Dybala and see what he can do", because after him, there was absolutely zero coming from anywhere."
Everyone apart from Allegri apologists can see just how terrible we are on the ball. La Liga teams like Sevilla and Valencia pass the ball better against Real Madrid/Barcelona than we do.
That's because it was Dybala's job to provide service. He's not a #9, he's a 10. Go look at what kind of chances players like James Rodriguez, Christian Eriksen, Isco, Ozil etc provide for themselves and others in those situations. That's Dybala's role right now, and being able to get the ball to him cleanly in those areas is invaluable. Allegri talks about it all the time - 'we have to exploit the space between midfield and defense, Dybala is most dangerous when he gets the ball there, etc'. Opposing teams design their entire defense to prevent those players from being comfortable in those areas because they pick you apart.
Everyone apart from Allegri haters can see how dangerous 1 on 1 situation at the edge of 16 can be for a team with their best player with the ball. Only difference is our best players are simply not good enough or consistent enough to do it against the best.
Everyone apart from Allegri haters can see how dangerous 1 on 1 situation at the edge of 16 can be for a team with their best player with the ball. Only difference is our best players are simply not good enough or consistent enough to do it against the best.
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No sympathy from me tho. A bunch of people that have been crying wolf since WWII and asking for sympathy at every possible opportunity. Overly sensitive when people offend them, and they even have a special word, Anti Semitic, just to address attacks targeting them. How self entitled can you be? The epitome of attention seeking whores tbh.
Tbf, he was involved for Cristiano's 1st goal vs. Juve.
Benzema has been involved in 20 goals for RM this season and is 2nd best assist maker in RM behind Lucas Vasquez who's been a revelation since the new year. And when the season is over, Benzema will probably stand at the top. And he's currently 3rd among all assist makers in LaLiga behind Messi & Sisto.
Even ignoring those numbers, his influence/impact for the team can't really be measured by stats alone.
Benzema is not as bad footballer as people are making it out to be, although his finishing has admittedly not been clinical.
Benzema has rarely being used as an out-and-out striker during his time at RM, more of a F9 or even a SS. Hell, it's not unusual to see him moving on the left flank for an extensive period during games for them. If anything, Ronaldo is the real #9 where RM is tactically functioning to make chance after chance for him.
Because Benzema is ridiculously underrated. Simple as that.
The guy was (and still is) undoubtedly a genuine world class player over the years.
I've never really understood why this idea is existing.
You don't become a consistent starter by 4 different coaches for a club of Real Madrid's caliber if you're not "good enough".
- 7th highest goalscorer in Real Madrid's history with 189 goals. Has a better goal ratio compared to legends like Raúl, Santillana etc.
- 4th highest goalscorer in Champions League for Real Madrid with 41 goals.
- 3rd highest assist maker with 65 assists since since 2009/10, only Messi & Ronaldo are better than him. Could surpass Raúl's's 83 LaLiga assists.
- Consistently scored around 20 goals or more for several seasons.
Like I said before above, Benzema was rarely used as a pure #9 unlike Lewandowski, Aguero, Cavani, Higuain, Suárez, Icardi etc.
Having said that, he used to be a great goalscorer before starting to misfiring in front goal this season.
Benzema has been involved in 20 goals for RM this season and is 2nd best assist maker in RM behind Lucas Vasquez who's been a revelation since the new year. And when the season is over, Benzema will probably stand at the top. And he's currently 3rd among all assist makers in LaLiga behind Messi & Sisto.
Even ignoring those numbers, his influence/impact for the team can't really be measured by stats alone.
Benzema is not as bad footballer as people are making it out to be, although his finishing has admittedly not been clinical.
Benzema has rarely being used as an out-and-out striker during his time at RM, more of a F9 or even a SS. Hell, it's not unusual to see him moving on the left flank for an extensive period during games for them. If anything, Ronaldo is the real #9 where RM is tactically functioning to make chance after chance for him.
Because Benzema is ridiculously underrated. Simple as that.
The guy was (and still is) undoubtedly a genuine world class player over the years.
I've never really understood why this idea is existing.
You don't become a consistent starter by 4 different coaches for a club of Real Madrid's caliber if you're not "good enough".
- 7th highest goalscorer in Real Madrid's history with 189 goals. Has a better goal ratio compared to legends like Raúl, Santillana etc.
- 4th highest goalscorer in Champions League for Real Madrid with 41 goals.
- 3rd highest assist maker with 65 assists since since 2009/10, only Messi & Ronaldo are better than him. Could surpass Raúl's's 83 LaLiga assists.
- Consistently scored around 20 goals or more for several seasons.
Like I said before above, Benzema was rarely used as a pure #9 unlike Lewandowski, Aguero, Cavani, Higuain, Suárez, Icardi etc.
Having said that, he used to be a great goalscorer before starting to misfiring in front goal this season.
Have you seen the state of Dani Alves this year? He’s well past his prime. Not a big loss.
Matuidi and Douglas Costa have both been starters this year.
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Dybala is nothing like James Rodriguez, Eriksen or Ozil. Those guys are traditional attacking midfielders. Dybala is a forward like Griezmann. There is a clear difference between the two. We lined up 442 with Dybala and Higuain up top. Real Madrid lined up 442 with Ronaldo and Benzema up top. Neither Dybala nor Higuain were provided with anywhere near the quality service Ronaldo and Benzema were provided with.
Ronaldo’s first goal => a better chance than anything we created from open play
Ronaldo’s 91’ miss => an even better chance than his first goal
Real Madrid’s forwards were getting far better service than our forwards got. To deny this is complete delusion.
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A
Our xG for this season is 47 goals. We have scored 23 more goals this season than we theoretically should based on the quality of the chances we create. That is clearly because our forwards are far more lethal than anyone else in Italy. Atalanta create more and better chances than we do.
But let me guess, the people who made this website and study this data are Allegri haters?
How about Steve Nicols, is he an Allegri hater for pointing out just how terrible we are on the ball?
The delusion Max fans will reach to defend their hero.
Matuidi and Douglas Costa have both been starters this year.
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Dybala is nothing like James Rodriguez, Eriksen or Ozil. Those guys are traditional attacking midfielders. Dybala is a forward like Griezmann. There is a clear difference between the two. We lined up 442 with Dybala and Higuain up top. Real Madrid lined up 442 with Ronaldo and Benzema up top. Neither Dybala nor Higuain were provided with anywhere near the quality service Ronaldo and Benzema were provided with.
Ronaldo’s first goal => a better chance than anything we created from open play
Ronaldo’s 91’ miss => an even better chance than his first goal
Real Madrid’s forwards were getting far better service than our forwards got. To deny this is complete delusion.
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A
Our xG for this season is 47 goals. We have scored 23 more goals this season than we theoretically should based on the quality of the chances we create. That is clearly because our forwards are far more lethal than anyone else in Italy. Atalanta create more and better chances than we do.
But let me guess, the people who made this website and study this data are Allegri haters?
How about Steve Nicols, is he an Allegri hater for pointing out just how terrible we are on the ball?
The delusion Max fans will reach to defend their hero.
GdS report that the new magic of Inzaghi hasn't gone unnoticed. Juve are monitoring him amid doubts over Mr Allegri's future.
Despite Igli Tare saying that Inzaghi is set to remain at Lazio, if Mr Allegri were to leave Juve, it would open up a scenario of Inzaghi at Juve.
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Libero enlist an infographic of clubs from Europe's top 5 leagues, to score over 100 goals in 2017/2018 in all competitions.
Inzaghi's Lazio are one of the only 8 teams to have crossed a goal tally of 100 goals.
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Main even potential right there. A+ stats ffs
Despite Igli Tare saying that Inzaghi is set to remain at Lazio, if Mr Allegri were to leave Juve, it would open up a scenario of Inzaghi at Juve.
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Libero enlist an infographic of clubs from Europe's top 5 leagues, to score over 100 goals in 2017/2018 in all competitions.
Inzaghi's Lazio are one of the only 8 teams to have crossed a goal tally of 100 goals.
@Bianconero_Aus
Main even potential right there. A+ stats ffs
GdS report that the new magic of Inzaghi hasn't gone unnoticed. Juve are monitoring him amid doubts over Mr Allegri's future.
Despite Igli Tare saying that Inzaghi is set to remain at Lazio, if Mr Allegri were to leave Juve, it would open up a scenario of Inzaghi at Juve.
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Libero enlist an infographic of clubs from Europe's top 5 leagues, to score over 100 goals in 2017/2018 in all competitions.
Inzaghi's Lazio are one of the only 8 teams to have crossed a goal tally of 100 goals.
@Bianconero_Aus
Main even potential right there. A+ stats ffs
Despite Igli Tare saying that Inzaghi is set to remain at Lazio, if Mr Allegri were to leave Juve, it would open up a scenario of Inzaghi at Juve.
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Libero enlist an infographic of clubs from Europe's top 5 leagues, to score over 100 goals in 2017/2018 in all competitions.
Inzaghi's Lazio are one of the only 8 teams to have crossed a goal tally of 100 goals.
@Bianconero_Aus
Main even potential right there. A+ stats ffs
Have you seen the state of Dani Alves this year? He’s well past his prime. Not a big loss.
Matuidi and Douglas Costa have both been starters this year.
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Dybala is nothing like James Rodriguez, Eriksen or Ozil. Those guys are traditional attacking midfielders. Dybala is a forward like Griezmann. There is a clear difference between the two. We lined up 442 with Dybala and Higuain up top. Real Madrid lined up 442 with Ronaldo and Benzema up top. Neither Dybala nor Higuain were provided with anywhere near the quality service Ronaldo and Benzema were provided with.
Ronaldo’s first goal => a better chance than anything we created from open play
Ronaldo’s 91’ miss => an even better chance than his first goal
Real Madrid’s forwards were getting far better service than our forwards got. To deny this is complete delusion.
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A
Our xG for this season is 47 goals. We have scored 23 more goals this season than we theoretically should based on the quality of the chances we create. That is clearly because our forwards are far more lethal than anyone else in Italy. Atalanta create more and better chances than we do.
But let me guess, the people who made this website and study this data are Allegri haters?
How about Steve Nicols, is he an Allegri hater for pointing out just how terrible we are on the ball?
The delusion Max fans will reach to defend their hero.
Matuidi and Douglas Costa have both been starters this year.
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Dybala is nothing like James Rodriguez, Eriksen or Ozil. Those guys are traditional attacking midfielders. Dybala is a forward like Griezmann. There is a clear difference between the two. We lined up 442 with Dybala and Higuain up top. Real Madrid lined up 442 with Ronaldo and Benzema up top. Neither Dybala nor Higuain were provided with anywhere near the quality service Ronaldo and Benzema were provided with.
Ronaldo’s first goal => a better chance than anything we created from open play
Ronaldo’s 91’ miss => an even better chance than his first goal
Real Madrid’s forwards were getting far better service than our forwards got. To deny this is complete delusion.
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A
Our xG for this season is 47 goals. We have scored 23 more goals this season than we theoretically should based on the quality of the chances we create. That is clearly because our forwards are far more lethal than anyone else in Italy. Atalanta create more and better chances than we do.
But let me guess, the people who made this website and study this data are Allegri haters?
How about Steve Nicols, is he an Allegri hater for pointing out just how terrible we are on the ball?
The delusion Max fans will reach to defend their hero.
I thought you were supposed to give the ball to your least creative players to make big decisions. Never seen Barcelona do the same with Messi or Bayern with Robben or City with de Bruyne.
When you say that you're acting like it's a negative thing - give your best player the ball. That's Dybala's job, just as it is Chiellini's job to defend difficult situations or Pjanić's job to create and dictate play. He has to be deadly in the final third, especially when he gets the ball in one on one situations like he did the other night. Watch literally any other best player on other teams, they are able to break defenses down with dribbling and taking on multiple defenders, opening space up for other players. Dybala creates an incredible amount of pressure with super weak physical play, lost possession and inability show up consistently. Nobody said RM forwards didn't get better service, but also look at how well they play off the ball and how much they move around and get involved in build up and how they always make the right decision to open up space for overlaps. When the ball got to Ronaldo or Benzema they were able to move it along if not in scoring chance and get it later. If Dybala or Costa got it it was dribble, dribble, shoot. They consistently made very poor decisions with the ball. Also, look at their midfield and look at ours. Bentancur and Khedira player very good games and it wasn't close to enough. They have four guys capable of receiving the ball in any situation, switching play, playing through balls, relieving pressure, dribbling etc. Even in our best case scenario (Khedira, Pjanić, Matuidi) there is no chance we can do that. Midfield is the heart and engine of every team, and ours has failed us this season.
Please stop using stats you don't know how to use. First of all, xG is used to indicate the quality of chances an AVERAGE player would create/score. Considering we have players well above average, in the league especially, you have to adjust for that. We probably have scored a few goals from some unsustainable situations, but nowhere near that 23 numbers and also we missed some key penalties that would've made up for those situations. Also, xG is VERY flawed when looking at team stats. It simply fails to account for level of players, momentum in games, opposing team players and weak links etc. By that stat Juve should've been the champion only once in the last 4 years. Give me break.
The only thing it's useful for is for strikers and judging the number of clear cut chances they get and their conversion percentage.