Massimiliano Allegri (272 Viewers)

[IliveForJuve]

Lol, Uruguay had to show us how good he is for us to start him in the most important game of the season. It's funny because Allegri didn't seem to trust him all that much prior to the international break.

 

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[Seven]

So I guess there is no point of a youth team or a scouting network here at Juve then

We sell a lot of youth players and there's the 0.001% chance someone actually makes it (Marchisio). But just like at Madrid, most never come close to the first team.

 

[Vialli_92]

This argument is really not good for u.
Dortmund at one point was playing a really good football till they sold their players and the team dismantled.
Tottenham is not going anywhere. They could have a perfect season, but nothing more. They will be back to where they belong


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You could be right, time will only tell but I think they could surprise a few teams in the next couple of years if they can hang onto Potchettino and their key players

 

[IliveForJuve]

Yeah, but that's something mid table teams are responsible for. We're Juventus. We can't be expected to develop players. We should be as good as it gets. When you play for us, you're expected to be the finished product. Only exceptional talents like Pogba or Dybale can be allowed to further develop while already playing for us.

Lol what? We're Juventus and we're poor compared to the big dogs in Europe. Not only do they have more money but they develop better players.

 

[Osman]

Um, he wasnt even in Uruguay NT and had to join us to even get a chance with them?


He is on his first season and very young, and he has already gotten to start vs Barcelona and Real Madrid (bad omen, both games we lost 3 nil haha). He is essentially Pjanic's backup so hard to find much playing time, and Allegri has heaped praise on him plenty of times, he CHOSE to start him over Matuidi vs Real and Over Marchisio vs Barcelona (or both of them in both games). That says enough.


Lets not pretend this kid is good enough to start full time yet, but he is for sure very promising, still raw, but love his attitude and drive.

 

[Vialli_92]

We sell a lot of youth players and there's the 0.001% chance someone actually makes it (Marchisio). But just like at Madrid, most never come close to the first team.

Still developing young talent is a good way to get good players for next to nothing

Maybe Italy in general is not great with youth development as the young players coming through do not seem that talented compared to past generations

I wouldn't give up hope that we couldn't develop some serious talent in the next few years though

 

[KB824]

Varane is twice the player Rugani is. So maybe that's why Varane is starting for Madrid.

Yep, I like Rugani, but its not a scandal Barzagli starts over him, even if I would rather take the chance on Rugani instead, the job of fully convincing your coach to start is on Rugani, and I'm not convinced he would do much vs Cristiano, even if I rather gamble on starting him for sure over Barza atleast, but when it comes to Benatia, he is better then Rugani and it has nothing to do with age.



Varane is bad comparison, because he is better then all our CBs except Chiellini.



Rugani is nowhere close to him.

This isn't about who's better. I never said that they were on the same level.


However, Real Madrid had no issues rolling out a 19 year old for 30 matches in his first season there.

That is my point. Real Madrid, a team with everything at stake every single year, gave a teenager ample game time at a position that players grow into slower than anywhere else on the pitch. But we can't do the same with Rugani, regardless of what level he is at in comparison to Varane.

 

[Hust]

Wouldn’t getting the nod to start against both Barca and RM suggest he is good enough to start the rest?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Um, he wasnt even in Uruguay NT and had to join us to even get a chance with them?


He is on his first season and very young, and he has already gotten to start vs Barcelona and Real Madrid (bad omen, both games we lost 3 nil haha). He is essentially Pjanic's backup so hard to find much playing time, and Allegri has heaped praise on him plenty of times, he CHOSE to start him over Matuidi vs Real and Over Marchisio vs Barcelona (or both of them in both games). That says enough.


Lets not pretend this kid is good enough to start full time yet, but he is for sure very promising, still raw, but love his attitude and drive.

Matuidi has 2199 minutes this season while Bentancur has 745... Hmm!

 

[Osman]

Matuidi has 2199 minutes this season while Bentancur has 745... Hmm!

Matuidi is a 30 year old top level CM who has a proven track record and until his injury was doing well for us, Bentancur is a 20 year old in his first 8 months in European football, who has gottentrusted with starting spot in 3 top games this season.



HIS COMPETITION IS PJANIC.


Who happens to be our best midfielder.

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Wouldn’t getting the nod to start against both Barca and RM suggest he is good enough to start the rest?

Generally yes, but they were also opportunistic solutions to problems facing the team at that time.

 

[Nedved96]

Ok, i might get smashed for this but the only way he goes on to become an elite player is if Pep Guardiola coaches him. Seeing how Pep is making Sane and Sterling look world class week in week out , i think it wont be a hard task with Dybala. Allegri has different qualities that makes him a WC coach but he cant elevate the level of attacking players like Pep does.

So perhaps Dani Alves was right

This is just a fact. Allegri has his qualities that make him a very good coach, but Guardiola is on another level. He can take players like Pedro and Sterling and make them look world class. Max doesn't improve his forwards like Pep does.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Does Pep make them worldclass, or does he just make them look worldclass (in the same way he makes CB's look like shite) with his style of football?

Once he leaves it's back to normal.

 

[Post Ironic]

Tottenham closer to CL glory than Juventus...

2014-15: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Final > Tottenham 5th place league - EL Rof32 exit -
2015-16: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Rof16 > Tottenham 3rd place league - EL Rof16 exit
2016-17: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Final > Tottenham 2nd place league - CL Group stage Exit - EL Rof32 exit
2017-18: Juventus - 1st place in league- in Coppa final - CL QF exit > Tottenham 4th place league - CL Rof16 exit

But we are nowhere close to competing in CL and Tottenham is going to surprise everyone.

 

[Cerval]

Tottenham closer to CL glory than Juventus...

2014-15: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Final > Tottenham 5th place league - EL Rof32 exit -
2015-16: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Rof16 > Tottenham 3rd place league - EL Rof16 exit
2016-17: Juventus - Domestic Double + CL Final > Tottenham 2nd place league - CL Group stage Exit - EL Rof32 exit
2017-18: Juventus - 1st place in league- in Coppa final - CL QF exit > Tottenham 4th place league - CL Rof16 exit

But we are nowhere close to competing in CL and Tottenham is going to surprise everyone.

You got baited.

 

[Xperd]

Does Pep make them worldclass, or does he just make them look worldclass (in the same way he makes CB's look like shite) with his style of football?

Once he leaves it's back to normal.

It's a bit of both.

He elevates the level of attacking players. There's no denying that. He improves their productivity which is ultimately what you need. Every coach has his distinct style and as long as it's working , there's no reason for them to change their philosophy. City are a dominant team with Pep. They were not so dominant under other managers.

Dybala would undeniably be a world beater under Pep.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Does Pep make them worldclass, or does he just make them look worldclass (in the same way he makes CB's look like shite) with his style of football?

Once he leaves it's back to normal.

I really hope Pep wins the CL

I'll lick my screen just to taste your salty tears.

 

[Post Ironic]

You got baited.

Oh, I know he's trolling. Or just incomparably stupid. But it's fun to respond all the same.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Problem with Allegri is he keeps playing old defenders even though he has other options. Against teams like real you need speed and strength. Should have been desceglio chellini rugani Sandro.
Then his second problem is always waiting to long to make subs. The current team is loosing 2-0 time to adjust and quickly.

 

[Post Ironic]

It's a bit of both.

He elevates the level of attacking players. There's no denying that. He improves their productivity which is ultimately what you need. Every coach has his distinct style and as long as it's working , there's no reason for them to change their philosophy. City are a dominant team with Pep. They were not so dominant under other managers.

Dybala would undeniably be a world beater under Pep.

While I do agree that Pep's tactics highlight the strengths of attackers far better than Allegri's do (obvious really), let's not ignore the fact that ManCity has spent 528.8 million euros on players in 2 years for Pep. And while selling very few players. Their net spend is 400 million euros in those 2 years.

They should have an incredible squad.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Problem with Allegri is he keeps playing old defenders even though he has other options. Against teams like real you need speed and strength. Should have been desceglio chellini rugani Sandro.
Then his second problem is always waiting to long to make subs. The current team is loosing 2-0 time to adjust and quickly.

Rugani over Barza for pace reasons is just picking one snail over another, and Asa has looked more solid in defense than Alex Sandro for huge parts of the season now, and again one isn't much pacier than the other.

Individual errors can happen to everybody.

Also disagree on the subs, spot on most of the time.