Massimiliano Allegri (162 Viewers)

[Maddy]

A lot of people became Juve fans during that period because of Baggio and then the DP + Zizou combo. Great times

We were the most feared and respected team in Europe, but only have one measly CL title to show for it

Four straight European finals. Insane. Especially since we should have been in five: CL 98/99.

 

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[Bianconero81]

Four straight European finals. Insane. Especially since we should have been in five: CL 98/99.

Oh yeah. I couldn't believe it when we went 2-0 against the red cunts of Manchester. Then we capitulated. I still hate those fuckers to this day.

 

[ALC]

lol, what? even if he completely loses the dressing room, clashes with entire starting 11 and finishes the season trophy less, his immensely successful career at Juve proves that he's one of the best coaches around, not even close to a point where anyone could call him a .

I meant as far as the season goes, my mistake. I think Allegri is one the best coaches.

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How old are you Bro? Lippi's Juve between 94 and 99 played some exquisite football at times; vintage stuff. During his 2nd stint from 2001-2004, we did grind out results, but that was mostly due to DP never being the same after his injury and the sale of Zidane.

I think this is the 2nd time you’ve asked me this. 27

 

[Bianconero81]

I meant as far as the season goes, my mistake. I think Allegri is one the best coaches.

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I think this is the 2nd time you’ve asked me this. 27

Forgive an old man, will you?

That means you were born in 91, which probably means you're talking about the 2nd Lippi stint @ Juve, from 2001 to 2004. I don't think you were watching Juve when you were 5 years old

 

[ALC]

Forgive an old man, will you?

That means you were born in 91, which probably means you're talking about the 2nd Lippi stint @ Juve, from 2001 to 2004. I don't think you were watching Juve when you were 5 years old

I was actually born in 90

But yeah, I’m definitely talking about the 2nd stint

 

[Hydde]

I agree that it’s far from pleasant to watch but we’re still getting the results. I’ll give Allegri until the end of the season before I say he’s been a bad coach. It’s not his fault we don’t have players like DP, Tex, Nedves, and Camo at the moment. Those are all legend level players. What he’s doing with what he has at his disposal is impressive imo, even if it doesn’t quite pass the eye test. At the same time, he has to keep this team motivated after losing two CL finals and winning the league year after year. That’s no easy feat in my eyes.

Thats the thing with allegri. He gets the results. Thats undeniable. Thats why we have this polemic discussions. Because in the end, he gets the job done.

 

[pitbull]

Pretty much this, our attack is quite so and so but if we can stop goals coming we'll find some combination of play that will lead to a goal

I don't think it's very effective if we want to win the CL I think every team has to score more than 1 goal to win a game now as attacks in general and modern tactics are more aggressive and tend to score more goals than 10-15 years ago

If we just had a good counter attack we would be so much better as a team, I find it criminal how Allegri and the management have not identified this weak area and worked on it

Starting Mandzukic as a winger says everything we need to know about what the management think about having a good attacking game plan

Mandžukič isn't our main problem in not having effective counter attacks, even if he has been out of form for most of the season. Our lack of midfield cuts it at the source, our opponents know it's safe to press us hard, because we are rarely capable of getting out of a good press. I feel that our biggest weakness is lacking confident midfielders like early Conte Pirlo, Marchisio or Pogba who could operate in small spaces effectively no matter the pressure. Even last season we had Dani Alves and Bonucci, two guys who wouldn't loose head with the ball at their feet. And it's hardly Allegri's fault, he can only operate with what he has, I'm glad he isn't asking Khedira to do his best Zidane impression.

 

[Elvin]

Four straight European finals. Insane. Especially since we should have been in five: CL 98/99.

Only won one

 

[dolph]

Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the $#@! do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the $#@! does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.

Its not really anything new or specific for Allegri. Its the Italian way. Give away nothing at the back, and have a couple of quality individuals in front, who will give you a goal or two. When you think about it we give away almost nothing at the back, and when you have players like Costa, Higuain, Dybala, Mandzukic, Cuadrado and Bernardeschi up front odds are you are going to win a large percentage of your games.

Historicly speaking Italian teams have had a hard time being dominant, in the same way that Spanish and lately German teams have. The Italian national team and clubs has been hughly succesfull, but not in recent times, so the question is if it is still effective enough to win a CHL or WC, or the approach needs to be tinkered.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

He's the ultimate troll

 

[JuveJay]

The fans of almost every team would shit themselves with glee to get the kind of numbers Allegri puts up.

Win percentage is going up every year:
2014/15 - 64.91%
2015/16 - 71.15%
2016/17 - 73.68%
2017/18 - 76.32%

76% win ratio playing in 3 competitions and complaints about style of play, top kek.

Win ratio for selected Juve coaches:
Allegri 71.08% (204 games)
Deschamps 70.45% (44 games) Serie B
Conte 67.55% (151 games)
Capello 64.76% (105 games)
Parola 57.92% (202 games)
Lippi 56.05% (405 games)
Ancelotti 55.26% (114 games)
Trapattoni 53.33% (600 games)

Obviously there are various factors to take into accounts in terms of the league, longevity, squads and all the others but in terms of sheer numbers he can't do any more. We are winning so many games and conceding so few goals in recent months that it becomes something of a catastrophe when we have a negative result.

Win some
Win most of the time
Win nearly every game <<<<<<<<<<< we are here
Win nearly every game with style
Win every game
Win every game with style
Reinvent football

Just a few rungs to go before immortality.

 

[MikeM]

Like I said before. It's not good enough to win the CL. We have to play better football so we can attract more fans so we can increase revenue so we can buy players to eventually win the CL.

 

[Hust]

The fans of almost every team would shit themselves with glee to get the kind of numbers Allegri puts up.

Win percentage is going up every year:
2014/15 - 64.91%
2015/16 - 71.15%
2016/17 - 73.68%
2017/18 - 76.32%

76% win ratio playing in 3 competitions and complaints about style of play, top kek.

Win ratio for selected Juve coaches:
Allegri 71.08% (204 games)
Deschamps 70.45% (44 games) Serie B
Conte 67.55% (151 games)
Capello 64.76% (105 games)
Parola 57.92% (202 games)
Lippi 56.05% (405 games)
Ancelotti 55.26% (114 games)
Trapattoni 53.33% (600 games)

Obviously there are various factors to take into accounts in terms of the league, longevity, squads and all the others but in terms of sheer numbers he can't do any more. We are winning so many games and conceding so few goals in recent months that it becomes something of a catastrophe when we have a negative result.

Win some
Win most of the time
Win nearly every game <<<<<<<<<<< we are here
Win nearly every game with style
Win every game
Win every game with style
Reinvent football

Just a few rungs to go before immortality.

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[zizinho]

love how he drinks his water

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

love how he drinks his water

It’s actually one of the few things I really don’t like about him. It’s fucking weird af

 

[Badass J Elkann]

 

[ALC]

 

[Rollie]

No those werent top teams because we beat them and we arent good which makes them not good. You will get it one day. Its taken me a while

It's just so ridiculous.

I guess when we beat Barca, Real, Dortmund, Monaco, etc. Those don't really matter

The fans of almost every team would shit themselves with glee to get the kind of numbers Allegri puts up.

Win percentage is going up every year:
2014/15 - 64.91%
2015/16 - 71.15%
2016/17 - 73.68%
2017/18 - 76.32%

76% win ratio playing in 3 competitions and complaints about style of play, top kek.

Win ratio for selected Juve coaches:
Allegri 71.08% (204 games)
Deschamps 70.45% (44 games) Serie B
Conte 67.55% (151 games)
Capello 64.76% (105 games)
Parola 57.92% (202 games)
Lippi 56.05% (405 games)
Ancelotti 55.26% (114 games)
Trapattoni 53.33% (600 games)

Obviously there are various factors to take into accounts in terms of the league, longevity, squads and all the others but in terms of sheer numbers he can't do any more. We are winning so many games and conceding so few goals in recent months that it becomes something of a catastrophe when we have a negative result.

Win some
Win most of the time
Win nearly every game <<<<<<<<<<< we are here
Win nearly every game with style
Win every game
Win every game with style
Reinvent football

Just a few rungs to go before immortality.

This is it, especially the bold. And because this team has been so good in recent years, it's natural that we've got some really spoiled fans -- I don't think there's a whole lot more to many of these comments than that.

People are ignoring the context surrounding the team, because they have a narrative they'd like to drill on about. I understand that people would like more, we all would, but this team is not in the position it's in because the players don't give a fuck, or Allegri has been poor.

Not to mention that with the general lack of quality in midfield and all of the current injuries, we can't play possession football against top quality opponents, or field a particularly impressive counter-attacking team at the moment. Don't have the midfielders that can press and transition play, don't have a RB who can get up and down the field, don't have very many healthy and mobile options in attack. Even when we're in a total injury crisis and still gutting out results, it's the end of the world if we draw a match, or almost draw a match.

Like I said before. It's not good enough to win the CL. We have to play better football so we can attract more fans so we can increase revenue so we can buy players to eventually win the CL.

Exactly, Mike.

 

[Hist]

Like I said before. It's not good enough to win the CL. We have to play better football so we can attract more fans so we can increase revenue so we can buy players to eventually win the CL.

As paradoxically as this sounds it is true. As the revenue gap increases, it will be increasingly harder to compete and so increasingly harder to win the CL again.

Was it good enough for Inter's future that they won the CL? It wasn't. They will probably never win one again.

Compare it to Barca's rise. Won it with style, made shit loads of money out of dinho. Had enough money to win it again in style and keep Madrid's free spending at bay. Then did it again and again. No way they would have become a financial powerhouse like that, had they been playing our ugly football.


Plus, we are not winning the CL. We are getting close then losing. Again its better to do that in style than with ugly football. We'd probably be more feared and raise more revs from finishing in Semis instead of the final had we been playing with style.