Massimiliano Allegri (176 Viewers)

[edgardavids2608]

It's quite astounding to hear that every time we beat a top team it's because they are having a terrible year, otherwise we wouldn't beat them.

If you think we suck all the time its hard to justify us beating a great team I guess. Doesnt fit their model. Sometimes I honestly wonder if some of the people on here want us to win the treble. I think that would be a downer almost. Bitching is the most fun thing to them so taking that away would be uninteresting

 

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It's quite astounding to hear that every time we beat a top team it's because they are having a terrible year, otherwise we wouldn't beat them.

That was certainly true of Barca last year.

 

[Post Ironic]

That was certainly true of Barca last year.

The same Barca that finished just 3 points behind Madrid in La Liga, beat Madrid in head to head match-up, scored 116 goals in the league, and was the highest scoring team in CL when we played them with 26 goals in 8 matches.

Yeah, they were truly awful last year. It was pretty obvious we'd destroy them and not concede a single goal to Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta in 180 minutes.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I forgot we won 4 UCL trophies against them, especially Monaco, being a European giant and all.

Oh my bad, you were talking about finals. Should've realised when you used Tottenham and Bayern as examples

 

[Adrian]

I actually dislike watch juve these days. Never in my life would i have thought that would become possible but it has. And it all relates to allegris tactics.

 

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Oh my bad, you were talking about finals. Should've realised when you used Tottenham and Bayern as examples

Yeah the finals are the best examples.

The Bayern and Spurs games were examples of how we can get completely dominated even after having a comfortable lead in UCL, even at home (Spurs). Dortmund were a shadow of their former selves when we beat them and Monaco were one season wonders, now back to where they belong.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Yeah the finals are the best examples.

The Bayern and Spurs games were examples of how we can get completely dominated even after having a comfortable lead in UCL, even at home (Spurs). Dortmund were a shadow of their former selves when we beat them and Monaco were one season wonders, now back to where they belong.

So exactly as said above: when we lose its because we don't show up when it matters, and when we win it's because the other team sucked. Lol.

Anyway no point in arguing because your agenda has always been the same: Juve and everything we do suck, and you are always on hand to make sure everyone knows

 

[ALC]

I actually dislike watch juve these days. Never in my life would i have thought that would become possible but it has. And it all relates to allegris tactics.

Do you not remember the Delneri years?

 

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Do you not remember the Delneri years?

Or the Capello years for that matter, considering how badly we underperformed in Europe.

 

[ALC]

Or the Capello years for that matter, considering how badly we underperformed in Europe.

Yeah, if anything this is typical Juve. I meant as far as his statement that this is the worst he’s seen the team play. But even the Lippi years for example, Juve was never known for playing fluid football. Always grinded out wins.

 

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So exactly as said above: when we lose its because we don't show up when it matters, and when we win it's because the other team sucked. Lol.

Anyway no point in arguing because your agenda has always been the same: Juve and everything we do suck, and you are always on hand to make sure everyone knows

Making excuses for mediocrity won't help us win the CL.

 

[Hydde]

Yeah, if anything this is typical Juve. I meant as far as his statement that this is the worst he’s seen the team play. But even the Lippi years for example, Juve was never known for playing fluid football. Always grinded out wins.

The capello years were the worst talking about football play. Del neri came close. After those 2, comes our current disjointed form.

And yes u are right, lippis 2002 2003 juve was also a grind fest, but they had del piero, nedved, camo and other players who somehow made it exiciting with great goals and chemistry. They grinded but we had a proper grinding plan. It was effective and kind of appealing.

Now, somehow we struggle a lot and that feeling that something can happen anytime is no more.

Somehow we are gfrinding games, but theres always the feel something bad could happen anytime.

 

[ALC]

The capello years were the worst talking about football play. Del neri came close. After those 2, comes our current disjointed form.

And yes u are right, lippis 2002 2003 juve was also a grind fest, but they had del piero, nedved, camo and other players who somehow made it exiciting with great goals and chemistry. They grinded but we had a proper grinding plan. It was effective and kind of appealing.

Now, somehow we struggle a lot and that feeling that something can happen anytime is no more.

Somehow we are gfrinding games, but theres always the feel something bad could happen anytime.

I agree that it’s far from pleasant to watch but we’re still getting the results. I’ll give Allegri until the end of the season before I say he’s been a bad coach. It’s not his fault we don’t have players like DP, Tex, Nedves, and Camo at the moment. Those are all legend level players. What he’s doing with what he has at his disposal is impressive imo, even if it doesn’t quite pass the eye test. At the same time, he has to keep this team motivated after losing two CL finals and winning the league year after year. That’s no easy feat in my eyes.

 

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I agree that it’s far from pleasant to watch but we’re still getting the results. I’ll give Allegri until the end of the season before I say he’s been a bad coach.

If we don't win a title this season does that mean Allegri, despite his previous successes, has had a bad reign here?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Allegri a bad coach.

The things you read on tuz ...

 

[pitbull]

I agree that it’s far from pleasant to watch but we’re still getting the results. I’ll give Allegri until the end of the season before I say he’s been a bad coach. It’s not his fault we don’t have players like DP, Tex, Nedves, and Camo at the moment. Those are all legend level players. What he’s doing with what he has at his disposal is impressive imo, even if it doesn’t quite pass the eye test. At the same time, he has to keep this team motivated after losing two CL finals and winning the league year after year. That’s no easy feat in my eyes.

lol, what? even if he completely loses the dressing room, clashes with entire starting 11 and finishes the season trophy less, his immensely successful career at Juve proves that he's one of the best coaches around, not even close to a point where anyone could call him a bad coach

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Often I watch us play (especially the last 2 seasons) and throughout the match be on my nerves and observe everything thats going wrong on the field from narrowly missed chances that the opposition has against us to the terrible passing game and mistakes we make throughout the game, and it all brings me down. Then BAM! a miracle occurs and we somehow get the result.

If I switch on a random Juve match, I think man we suck its a miracle that we got the result. This is a weak team that got lucky on the night. But then I recall another game when the same thing happened then another and another. I then see a pattern that this isnt a one off thing we somehow manage to play poorly and yet win on a consistent basis under Allegri, he is either the luckiest coach alive or he figured out a method that no one else understands that somehow creates miracles consistently.

2 seasons in a row now we have been doing this. Its waaaay more likely that Allegri has a method that I dont understand than that we have divine intervention on our side. I look at the big picture and the consistent delivery of results and I say man this Juve is so strong. If I told you there is a team in one of the big leagues in Europe that has won the double 3 times in a row and reached 2 champions league finals and asked you to pretend that you know nothing else about this team and you have never seen them play, what would you imagine their day to day performances to be like? You'd imagine that they control most games and win them comfortably with a few goals scored. They must have a strong midfield with a great passing game and a lethal strike force.

But then I zoom in on any individual match and I see a team that struggles to keep the ball even when it tries to. A team that makes many mispasses and has no clear attacking strategy. A team with slow midfielders and an old defense and out of form strikers . A team thats ravaged with injuries throughout that has to really grind results almost all the time. In short, almost a complete opposite of what you'd imagine a team with our results looks like.

I can't figure it out. How the fuck do we get these results. From outside, the results speak of a footballing masterclass but once you zoom in, its the opposite of that. I really don't know how he does it and for that I have full respect to Allegri. I have never seen a coach that made me feel so stupid about football.

Its as if the highest performing employee in your company (and its a hugely successful company) is a depressed man who hates his job and hates his life and doesnt embody company values at all. You see his stats and you think man that guy must be a super star let me talk to him to draw some lessons for others and then you talk to him and all you see are things that should be negative and you are left scratching your head thinking "how the fuck does he get these stats". Allegri is either super lucky or I dont really understand football's intricacies. His track record suggests its the latter.

The secret is our defense imo. When we get into gear we almost never concede, we allowed 0.71 goals/game in league last year (2nd place in this regard Roma allowed 1 goal/game), 0.54 goals/game in CL (absolute best result even with 4 goals in the final, other semifinalists clearly behind us - RM 1.38, Monaco 1.67, Atletico 0.75). The years before that was a similar picture with our defense being clearly ahead of the competitors.

We might sometimes lack a clear plan in attack, we rarely control games and most of the time get goals through little episodes of one of our many strong points like Mandžukič in the air, Dybala/Berna outside the box, the odd Cuads/Costa crazy-goal, lucky Sami, Pjanič freekick or Higuain being a great poacher, but, as long as we don't concede and something works in attack, we'll win the game.

 

[Bianconero81]

Yeah, if anything this is typical Juve. I meant as far as his statement that this is the worst he’s seen the team play. But even the Lippi years for example, Juve was never known for playing fluid football. Always grinded out wins.

How old are you Bro? Lippi's Juve between 94 and 99 played some exquisite football at times; vintage stuff. During his 2nd stint from 2001-2004, we did grind out results, but that was mostly due to DP never being the same after his injury and the sale of Zidane.

 

[Vialli_92]

lol, what? even if he completely loses the dressing room, clashes with entire starting 11 and finishes the season trophy less, his immensely successful career at Juve proves that he's one of the best coaches around, not even close to a point where anyone could call him a bad coach

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The secret is our defense imo. When we get into gear we almost never concede, we allowed 0.71 goals/game in league last year (2nd place in this regard Roma allowed 1 goal/game), 0.54 goals/game in CL (absolute best result even with 4 goals in the final, other semifinalists clearly behind us - RM 1.38, Monaco 1.67, Atletico 0.75). The years before that was a similar picture with our defense being clearly ahead of the competitors.

We might sometimes lack a clear plan in attack, we rarely control games and most of the time get goals through little episodes of one of our many strong points like Mandžukič in the air, Dybala/Berna outside the box, the odd Cuads/Costa crazy-goal, lucky Sami, Pjanič freekick or Higuain being a great poacher, but, as long as we don't concede and something works in attack, we'll win the game.

Pretty much this, our attack is quite so and so but if we can stop goals coming we'll find some combination of play that will lead to a goal

I don't think it's very effective if we want to win the CL I think every team has to score more than 1 goal to win a game now as attacks in general and modern tactics are more aggressive and tend to score more goals than 10-15 years ago

If we just had a good counter attack we would be so much better as a team, I find it criminal how Allegri and the management have not identified this weak area and worked on it

Starting Mandzukic as a winger says everything we need to know about what the management think about having a good attacking game plan

 

[Maddy]

How old are you Bro? Lippi's Juve between 94 and 99 played some exquisite football at times; vintage stuff. During his 2nd stint from 2001-2004, we did grind out results, but that was mostly due to DP never being the same after his injury and the sale of Zidane.

Lippi transformed us to play soem of the best football of that generation. Especially in Europe. The way we fucked Ajax in 1997 in CL. Sex.

 

[Bianconero81]

Lippi transformed us to play soem of the best football of that generation. Especially in Europe. The way we fucked Ajax in 1997 in CL. Sex.

A lot of people became Juve fans during that period because of Baggio and then the DP + Zizou combo. Great times

We were the most feared and respected team in Europe, but only have one measly CL title to show for it