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DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Allegri not happy with Juventus
By Football Italia staff


Max Allegri warned Juventus they have got to improve in several areas after a hard-fought 2-0 win over nine-man Chievo.

Sami Khedira and Gonzalo Higuain only scored the breakthrough goals at the Bentegodi after Samuel Bastien and Fabrizio Cacciatore had been sent off.

“It was difficult because Chievo were defending well. In the first half, we tried to move them from one side to the other to create spaces,” the Coach told Mediaset Premium.

“Obviously, it was simpler after they went down to nine men, even if we lost a little balance towards the end and didn’t realise there was still half an hour to go. We kept a clean sheet, got the three points away from home and are happy with that.

“I took Kwadwo Asamoah off, as he was on a yellow card and I was concerned he could get a second booking.
“We were struggling to find some width in the first half and also should’ve upped the tempo, but we had this slow passing that allowed Chievo to get back into position.

“This game is proof that you have to earn the result on the field, no matter who you are against or how many players, because there was that one incident where we were positioned badly, unbalanced and Szczesny did well to rush off his line.

“We have to improve a great deal when it comes to the tempo, learning when to slow it down or speed it up, as otherwise we become too predictable.”

Juve are now looking for a winger to replace Juan Cuadrado in case he requires surgery on a recurring groin injury, so do they regret sending Marko Pjaca on loan to Schalke 04?

“With hindsight, it’s too easy, as we let Pjaca go to get regular playing time. We’ll see the Cuadrado situation and how it develops, but hope to have Paulo Dybala back within 20 days. We’ll see how the latest test results show the scarring process.”

Gigi Buffon turns 40 tomorrow and was back in the squad after a month out with a calf injury.

“Gigi is an extraordinary champion, we’re very happy that he was back on the bench today and he will start in Bergamo on Tuesday.

“Atalanta are in a great period of form and we need to put in a strong performance, above all scoring an away goal, seeing as it’s a Coppa Italia semi-final
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Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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Our passing is super predictable and we have zero off the ball movement. We are probably the easiest top team to defend against.

I don’t mind us being defensive, as long as we can actually break down teams the onus is on us.

As it stands right now, we are doomed if we go behind in any Champions League game. I have zero faith in this team to make a comeback against any good side.

Lastly, Dybala can’t come back soon enough. He is the heart and soul of our attack.
 

Wittl

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Our passing is super predictable and we have zero off the ball movement. We are probably the easiest top team to defend against.

I don’t mind us being defensive, as long as we can actually break down teams the onus is on us.

As it stands right now, we are doomed if we go behind in any Champions League game. I have zero faith in this team to make a comeback against any good side.

Lastly, Dybala can’t come back soon enough. He is the heart and soul of our attack.
 

DAiDEViL

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Lastly, Dybala can’t come back soon enough. He is the heart and soul of our attack.
I tend to agree, He can be extremely helpful in games like this, but lastly it depends on which Dybala shows up. The one that kills Barca on it's own, or the one that goes missing and can't control a ball to save his life.
 

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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I tend to agree, He can be extremely helpful in games like this, but lastly it depends on which Dybala shows up. The one that kills Barca on it's own, or the one that goes missing and can't control a ball to save his life.
Even when he plays bad pr his finishing's not sorted, he contributes to our play and makes us better
 

Nedved96

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To be fair to Max, part of the reason why our attack is so bad right now is because of Higuain. He is a black hole where all our attacks come to die. I suppose it’s very difficult to drop a player you paid €90 million for.

Against Tottenham we need to play a front three of Costa-Mandz-Berna. We are more dynamic when we don’t play Higuain and Mandzukic together. Unfortunately, Max is probably too loyal to drop Higuain.
 

Adrian

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Dybala offers us individual efforts that become game changing moments...we rely on this cuz we have no fucking idea on how to attack. Allegri is to blame for this. We can blame the players but no one can deny our tactics dont offer our very good group of forwards what they need to perform. Some state we need dybala back urgently yet his form has been average.

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To be fair to Max, part of the reason why our attack is so bad right now is because of Higuain. He is a black hole where all our attacks come to die. I suppose it’s very difficult to drop a player you paid €90 million for.

Against Tottenham we need to play a front three of Costa-Mandz-Berna. We are more dynamic when we don’t play Higuain and Mandzukic together. Unfortunately, Max is probably too loyal to drop Higuain.
Reality is he wont play costa and berna with a CF. He will sacrifice creativity for solidarity which in turn will make our attack lackluster and we will struggle to score.
 

Alin

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Jul 27, 2015
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Dybala offers us individual efforts that become game changing moments...we rely on this cuz we have no $#@!ing idea on how to attack. Allegri is to blame for this. We can blame the players but no one can deny our tactics dont offer our very good group of forwards what they need to perform. Some state we need dybala back urgently yet his form has been average.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but wasnt Allegri the coach at the beggining of this season when Dybala was scroring hat-tricks and Higuain doppietas? As far as i recall we had a minimum 3 goals per game ratio at some point this season...

Not saying Allegri is fault free but atm there are crucial players that we missing while some crucial healthy ones are more or less underperforming.
 

Nedved96

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Correct me if i am wrong, but wasnt Allegri the coach at the beggining of this season when Dybala was scroring hat-tricks and Higuain doppietas? As far as i recall we had a minimum 3 goals per game ratio at some point this season...
When you look at the goals Dybala was scoring at the start of the season, very few of them were straight forward goals (maybe 2-3 out of 10). The majority of them were moments of individual brilliance, like long distance shots, free kicks, or solo goals.

For the past 1.5 years, Allegri's entire attacking plan has been "give the ball to Paulo and hope he does something".

I'm worried about the game against Tottenham. If Dybala isn't fit by then, we are going to struggle severely to create anything.
 

Alin

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When you look at the goals Dybala was scoring at the start of the season, very few of them were straight forward goals (maybe 2-3 out of 10). The majority of them were moments of individual brilliance, like long distance shots, free kicks, or solo goals.

For the past 1.5 years, Allegri's entire attacking plan has been "give the ball to Paulo and hope he does something".

I'm worried about the game against Tottenham. If Dybala isn't fit by then, we are going to struggle severely to create anything.
I can agree with you when is due but in this case again you are only partially right, rather overreacting about Allegri's atacking plan, is not as poor as some here claim it to be, tho what i can agree with is that it is reliant on individual brilliance just that is not solely on Dybala, you can have the most capable of atacks upfront but when you lack proper distribution from midfield things get tricky, there are many reasons why the team did not gel yet upfront so i'd rather look at the big picture in which it's a fact and not just assumptions that we are constantly changing players and obviously lacking any sort of chemistry between midfield and atack. Anyway, there still is time to improve our game and i am confident we certainly will when it really matters!

But than again, tell me how did Real Madrid win 3 of the past 4 Uefa Champions League editions, was it not all about individual brilliance? Or what about 2015 Barcelona, was it not about the perfect chemistry between Iniesta and MSN? Seriously now...
 

Vialli_92

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When you look at the goals Dybala was scoring at the start of the season, very few of them were straight forward goals (maybe 2-3 out of 10). The majority of them were moments of individual brilliance, like long distance shots, free kicks, or solo goals.

For the past 1.5 years, Allegri's entire attacking plan has been "give the ball to Paulo and hope he does something".

I'm worried about the game against Tottenham. If Dybala isn't fit by then, we are going to struggle severely to create anything.
You're literally a repeat of what I was saying all of last season and I got so many people shitting on me for it and the whole forum laughing at my posts now nobody says a word because it's so obvious we are crap in attack
 

Nedved96

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But than again, tell me how did Real Madrid win 3 of the past 4 Uefa Champions League editions, was it not all about individual brilliance? Or what about 2015 Barcelona, was it not about the perfect chemistry between Iniesta and MSN? Seriously now...
To be honest, I don’t particularly rate either Zidane or Luis Enrique that highly as coaches, so I have to say that the past few Champions Leagues have been won thanks to individual brilliance rather than coaching.

The problem is that we don’t have quite as much individual quality as them. That’s why teamwork and having a plan is more important for us than it is for them.
 

Post Ironic

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You're literally a repeat of what I was saying all of last season and I got so many people shitting on me for it and the whole forum laughing at my posts now nobody says a word because it's so obvious we are crap in attack
Of course you were being laughed at. Higuain has never been a striker who scores goals of individual brilliance. He scored 29 goals last season, the vast majority of them assisted, by good team play and build up.
 

Post Ironic

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Doesn't change the fact we struggle to create good chances in attack consistently
We created a ton last year once Higuain got in shape and in form.

This year, it's in large part because we have Higuain terribly out of form, slow, and unable to play a part in creating those chances/making the last move. Against Chievo for example, there were 4 instances where he received the ball in or around the box with time and space, which should have made for very good chances, and he took too many touches, or poor touches, and allowed himself to be closed down, or blocked, and lost the ball. Three of these "should be chances" were on perfect balls from Pjanic.

When your striker plays that poorly, and he's supposed to be the focal point of your attack, moves that should make chances instead fail and look like half-chances.
 

Vialli_92

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We created a ton last year once Higuain got in shape and in form.

This year, it's in large part because we have Higuain terribly out of form, slow, and unable to play a part in creating those chances/making the last move. Against Chievo for example, there were 4 instances where he received the ball in or around the box with time and space, which should have made for very good chances, and he took too many touches, or poor touches, and allowed himself to be closed down, or blocked, and lost the ball. Three of these "should be chances" were on perfect balls from Pjanic.

When your striker plays that poorly, and he's supposed to be the focal point of your attack, moves that should make chances instead fail and look like half-chances.
I just don't see it sorry, I remember our goals coming from almost nothing at times and never seeing our players get into 1 on 1 chances against the goalkeeper

Higuain was quite clinical with his finishing scoring a lot of half chances from what I remember anyway

We seemed to have good pace down the flanks thank to Dani Alves and he is sorely missed here in my opinion
 

Post Ironic

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I just don't see it sorry, I remember our goals coming from almost nothing at times and never seeing our players get into 1 on 1 chances against the goalkeeper

Higuain was quite clinical with his finishing scoring a lot of half chances from what I remember anyway

We seemed to have good pace down the flanks thank to Dani Alves and he is sorely missed here in my opinion
You clearly hardly watched us last season.


80-90% of Higgy's goals last seasons were fantastic chances created by other players.

He's not getting into positions to capitalize this year and is far too slow and poor on and off the ball right now.

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Higgy was 1v1 with the keeper all the time last year, or tapping in multiple crosses or pullbacks. That video shows it.
 

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