Massimiliano Allegri (202 Viewers)

[Juve_fanatic]

The only thing i blame Allegri for is playing Pjanic as a CM and not as a DM. I am personally convinced that we would play much better if Alegri would just switch Lemina and Pjanic. Regarding tonights game, Allegri was amazing, but he was betrayed by his players in midfield and Dani Alves. Spot on tactically tonight.

 

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[napoleonic]

Even if we still have mvp in the middle we wouldn't fare that much better with this system, remember the EL games?

We really really need to adapt modern top team way of playing, wingers and attacking midfielders... Right now we only have 2 2nd rate wingers in pjaca and cuadrado, even if we can't buy the top ones we need to get more of them and then we need to start really playing with them, also some attacking midfielders...

As cronios ranted before, enough with this cm obsession, and wingbacks, and 3 cbs... It get us nowhere.

 

[Hist]

Even if we still have mvp in the middle we wouldn't fare that much better with this system, remember the EL games?

We really really need to adapt modern top team way of playing, wingers and attacking midfielders... Right now we only have 2 2nd rate wingers in pjaca and cuadrado, even if we can't buy the top ones we need to get more of them and then we need to start really playing with them, also some attacking midfielders...

As cronios ranted before, enough with this cm obsession, and wingbacks, and 3 cbs... It get us nowhere.

4-3-1-2 is plausible, 4-3-3.. very implausible.
The market has not really helped in transitioning to or creating a different formation. We assembled a beastly defense and midfield for peanuts in the past. Vidal came very cheap, Pirlo was for free as was Pogba while Marchisio was homegrown. Similarly, Chiellini and Barzagli cost us nothing and bonnucci was not really expensive. We recently invested heavily in attack (Dybala, Manzu, Higuain) and tried to replace those who are growing old or leaving on the cheap (Alves, Cuad, Ben Atia, Rugani, Khedira) etc.. but it will take a miracle to find another vidal, pogba or pirlo on the cheap like that simply because the supply of quality CMs is very little.

There never were cheap available top wingers (the way Vidal and Pirlo were top and cheap). Cuadrado and Pjaca are obviously not good enough for a wing based formation to be our main one if we want to compete with the big boys. Who would you buy or have bought in the last few seasons? Good ones like Di Maria are insanely pricey and like you said we would need a winger for each side. Even Bayern in their superior wealth and buying power are and will continue to struggle to replace Robben and Ribery. There simply are no top wingers available for sale anymore, and when there is the richer clubs will snatch them for crazy amounts. 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2 will have to do. Just get a great central midfield again.

 

[Klin]

Saved by the cuad

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Winners are grinners motherfuckers

 

[Post Ironic]

4-3-1-2 is plausible, 4-3-3.. very implausible.
The market has not really helped in transitioning to or creating a different formation. We assembled a beastly defense and midfield for peanuts in the past. Vidal came very cheap, Pirlo was for free as was Pogba while Marchisio was homegrown. Similarly, Chiellini and Barzagli cost us nothing and bonnucci was not really expensive. We recently invested heavily in attack (Dybala, Manzu, Higuain) and tried to replace those who are growing old or leaving on the cheap (Alves, Cuad, Ben Atia, Rugani, Khedira) etc.. but it will take a miracle to find another vidal, pogba or pirlo on the cheap like that simply because the supply of quality CMs is very little.

There never were cheap available top wingers (the way Vidal and Pirlo were top and cheap). Cuadrado and Pjaca are obviously not good enough for a wing based formation to be our main one if we want to compete with the big boys. Who would you buy or have bought in the last few seasons? Good ones like Di Maria are insanely pricey and like you said we would need a winger for each side. Even Bayern in their superior wealth and buying power are and will continue to struggle to replace Robben and Ribery. There simply are no top wingers available for sale anymore, and when there is the richer clubs will snatch them for crazy amounts. 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2 will have to do. Just get a great central midfield again.

Or 4-4-2. We have an almost perfect side for it, if we get one Vidal-esque CM to partner either Cheesio or Pjanic. Khedira-Pjanic or Cheesio-Pjanic would be a little light on ball-winning to play the Lippi style 4-4-2 of our 2003 CL run.

Buffon
Zambrotta-Thuram-Ferrara-Montero
Camo-Davids-Tachhinardi-Nedved
Del Piero-Trezeguet​

Whereas we'd have:

Buffon
Alves-Barza-Bonucci-Evra
Cuadrado-Marchisio-Pjanic-Sandro
Dybala-Higuain​

If we could swap out one of Marchisio or Pjanic for Vidal, that's a beastly formation. To make it even more attack minded, you could sub Pjaca for Evra, and drop Sandro to fullback. Just needs that ball-winning 6. Pre-injury Mourinho era Khedira could have done it. But he doesn't seem to have the energy to do it anymore. Saul from Atletico Madrid would probably be perfect beside Marchisio or Pjanic there if he continues to develop into a world class player. Kante is another that would be amazing there beside Pjanic. @Osman

 

[napoleonic]

352 as we have seen in this past 5 years just at best very mediocre

And pjaca cuadrado kind of wingers or attacking mid are acceptable, the more important thing is we must start playing with them regularly

No if or but, no need to conform to the silly idea of must playing 3 cbs at the back even if it offends buffon or bbc... Just try to play like normal top teams.

All those poor forms ever since we started to play with 352 are not the case of our players underperforming, it is has much more to do with our refusal to play like normal top teams both systematically and mentally.

 

[Post Ironic]

You have to be supremely retarded to call 3-5-2 at best very mediocre after 5 straight scudetti, 2 straight Copas, and a CL final, playing mostly 3-5-2.

We just don't have the overpowering midfield we had in the past, that made it such a formidable formation for us.

Mediocre formation.

 

[Cheesio]

the year we made it to the CL final. We played mainly with 4 at the back in the knock out rounds.
3-5-2 has been at the very best mediocre in EUROPE.

 

[ADP1897]

Juve should use a formation that best suited for her players, and 3-5-2 is the best one right now. It's that simple really...
I like Pjaca, and Cuads signing, and maybe Berardi after that, we already shown our strength when it comes to flexibility, and we should continue doing so imo..

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[Zacheryah]

the year we made it to the CL final. We played mainly with 4 at the back in the knock out rounds.
3-5-2 has been at the very best mediocre in EUROPE.

I'm so sorry we dont play a formation with offensive wingers and cam's. And i do appologise for all the trophee's, silverware and succes it bred

 

[Cheesio]

I'm so sorry we dont play a formation with offensive wingers and cam's. And i do appologise for all the trophee's, silverware and succes it bred

Are you fucking stupid ?

Can't you read i said in EUROPE ?

 

[spurdo]

Yep, the 3-5-2 has shown it's limitations in Europe and it's time to ditch it there. I'm all for keeping it in Serie A though since our players suit the system and it works well there against the poverty sides, but when we face better teams it leaves a lot to be desired in attack. Sevilla, Inter, Lyon.... those are the only ''good'' teams we have faced this season and are probably also the three worst performances.

The 4-3-1-2 is an option, and I'd like to try Pjanic as a trequartista once Marchisio returns. His best qualities are offensive minded and he has a great shot. Lemina and Khedira are physical runners who win the ball and move it forward, while Marchisio dictates play. IMO the strongest possible line-up with our crop of players. If we start going 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 we need to start fielding more of Cuadrado, Pjaca etc.

 

[duranfj]

It's so obvious we are gonna push hard for the 3-5-2 that we even used It with Evra as CB

Honestly it's quite difficult to have any chance to win UCL with that formation. Max isn't so stubborn and he showed a lot of times he can manage different formations so the only important part is to win and end first, in between he would have the time to figure out

 

[Hydde]

I dont know why he is so hesitant to change when the performances speak for themselves.

We nees to stwitch the bulk of the play from our mids and regista, to a Treq or offensive players. name it 4312, 4321 or 433. Any of them is worth a try.

Right now, 352 depends way too much on our midfield to have an A game.. and they are being very inconsistent.

He experimented with 4312 with vidal as a false treq and it worked. I dont know how he cannot try that formation once again with the superior defence and forwards we have. We need to find the right formula for the midfield to pass the ball to our forwards and support them, instead of them being the responsible of creating.

 

[napoleonic]

We rely too much on cm type of players who are at best jack of all trades (even vidal who was the best with us)...

Those cms and registas no matter how great they are, are simply not enough for teams that want to be top teams on this era

Their contribution and ability to attack are easily nullified by any teams that have just little sense of tactics and defending...

We had MVPP and we didn't look any better against galatasaray benfica and the likes than what we just did against lyon

The limitations are clearly there since years ago.

We need attacking midfielders and wingers, badly, doesn't matter if we could only get the pjacas and cuads of this world, it will still be better for option than the extreme limited option we have, and we need to play with them regularly, not as a 2nd thoughts where we are forced to adapt.

Buying witsel matuidi and the likes of yet another cm are just a waste of resources, we would be better get the wingers and attacking midfielders version of them.

 

[Lion]

guys, only reason max ditched 3-5-2 in europe in CL final season was because of injuries to chiellini and pirlo

not because of some masterclass revealation that he had or because he developed balls all of a sudden

 

[Hist]

Or 4-4-2. We have an almost perfect side for it, if we get one Vidal-esque CM to partner either Cheesio or Pjanic. Khedira-Pjanic or Cheesio-Pjanic would be a little light on ball-winning to play the Lippi style 4-4-2 of our 2003 CL run.

Buffon
Zambrotta-Thuram-Ferrara-Montero
Camo-Davids-Tachhinardi-Nedved
Del Piero-Trezeguet​

Whereas we'd have:

Buffon
Alves-Barza-Bonucci-Evra
Cuadrado-Marchisio-Pjanic-Sandro
Dybala-Higuain​

If we could swap out one of Marchisio or Pjanic for Vidal, that's a beastly formation. To make it even more attack minded, you could sub Pjaca for Evra, and drop Sandro to fullback. Just needs that ball-winning 6. Pre-injury Mourinho era Khedira could have done it. But he doesn't seem to have the energy to do it anymore. Saul from Atletico Madrid would probably be perfect beside Marchisio or Pjanic there if he continues to develop into a world class player. Kante is another that would be amazing there beside Pjanic. @Osman

Cuadrado and Sandro as wingers and you were drawing comparisons with Nedved and Camo thats like 10% of the offensive quality. Wouldnt work even if Sandro was fucking Roberto Carlos

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We rely too much on cm type of players who are at best jack of all trades (even vidal who was the best with us)...

Those cms and registas no matter how great they are, are simply not enough for teams that want to be top teams on this era

Their contribution and ability to attack are easily nullified by any teams that have just little sense of tactics and defending...

We had MVPP and we didn't look any better against galatasaray benfica and the likes than what we just did against lyon

The limitations are clearly there since years ago.

We need attacking midfielders and wingers, badly, doesn't matter if we could only get the pjacas and cuads of this world, it will still be better for option than the extreme limited option we have, and we need to play with them regularly, not as a 2nd thoughts where we are forced to adapt.

Buying witsel matuidi and the likes of yet another cm are just a waste of resources, we would be better get the wingers and attacking midfielders version of them.

Top CMs are not enough but they are necessary. I cant think of a single top team that didnt have great CMs. We need to buy CMs regardless of the formation of choice. And second rate wingers wont cut it and will probably leave us worse than playing centrally with a CAM.

 

[Post Ironic]

Cuadrado and Sandro as wingers and you were drawing comparisons with Nedved and Camo thats like 10% of the offensive quality. Wouldnt work even if Sandro was fucking Roberto Carlos

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Top CMs are not enough but they are necessary. I cant think of a single top team that didnt have great CMs. We need to buy CMs regardless of the formation of choice. And second rate wingers wont cut it and will probably leave us worse than playing centrally with a CAM.

Please. Where did I say Cuadrado and Sandro equal Nedved and Camo. Try reading comprehension.

 

[zizinho]

Cuadrado and Sandro as wingers and you were drawing comparisons with Nedved and Camo thats like 10% of the offensive quality. Wouldnt work even if Sandro was fucking Roberto Carlos

thats why we have Pjaca. if you need more offense you just make one sub