out now?


  • Total voters
    166
  • Poll closed .

rndmlgnd

Senior Member
Oct 29, 2015
694
At least there's a lesson for Allegri in this.

You do not give Bayern and Barca absolute control of the ball and just sit back at around 30m from the goal.

They WILL find space.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
We probably have a different definition of better. For me the better team is the one that creates more chances over the 210 mins and particularly over the 90 mins, not that team that completes more passes. We had many more clear chances than they did.
Forget the passes. Forget the possession if that doesn't suit you, but I'd be surprised if there were many other facets that we had more on them. Pull out the other stats anyone? Shots, on target, off target, corners, shots in the box out of the box, whatever you consider to be the most telling.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
I'd say it was very close.

Sure, Bayern controlled the ball more in both matches but we were bloody brilliant in coming back in the first game and going 2-0 up tonight.

Overall, it's probably the combination of their technical superiority, wider bench and a bit of luck but that's also our fault as fortune favors the brave and ze Germans never, ever give up. Not even when there's 10 seconds left, let alone 2 or 3 minutes.
Don't disagree at all. But to everything you mention here, doesn't it make our elimination all the more acceptable? Heads held high.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,773
Of course that Morata sub fucked us; easy to say in hindsight. However we wouldn't have had a 2-0 lead to throw away in the first place if it wasn't for his excellent tactical improvisation. He set us up perfectly, and made one mistake. Can you really say it's his fault now that we're out if that two goal lead was way beyond anyone's expectations in the first place?
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
Awful subs, great lineup.

Pretty much the opposite of the home leg in every single way
People always seem to ignore the luck factor and plays a huge role in football. Sturaro didn't do anything in the first game other than the goal. He was awful in the second, but that doesn't mean Khedira was playing well in the second half.

Allegri didn't have many options. The subs didnt work well, but I get his idea. We were sitting a bit too deep even before the subs. Our players were too tired to press, so allegri put in 2 players to try to correct this. I think the 3rd sub was actually good. Cuadrado was great in the first half, but he was making a lot of mistakes in the 2nd and Pereyra played ok.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Nah bro, they broke my heart. Conceding in the 90th minute is always a disaster for me, I don't care what match it is.
Forget it. I saw it coming when they needed 1 goal in twenty minutes, this is football. I dont think we were strong enough to go on and win the whole thing this season anyway, never any shame in losing to Bayern either.
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
Forget the passes. Forget the possession if that doesn't suit you, but I'd be surprised if there were many other facets that we had more on them. Pull out the other stats anyone? Shots, on target, off target, corners, shots in the box out of the box, whatever you consider to be the most telling.
Clear cut chances and half chances. This game we had at least 8, maybe 10. They had 1 or 2, other than the goals. And if you really watch the first game again, you'll see they didn't have that many chances, maybe 2, before the first goal and none after the 2nd. We had a couple of chances to make it 3-2.
 

rndmlgnd

Senior Member
Oct 29, 2015
694
Forget it. I saw it coming when they needed 1 goal in twenty minutes, this is football. I dont think we were strong enough to go on and win the whole thing this season anyway, never any shame in losing to Bayern either.
We weren't and I agree, I don't feel ashamed at all just disappointed as fuck. There I was thinking finally Juve are kicking ass in the CL, we don't even have to win it just knock Vidal & co. out... but reality hit us hard.
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
i just can't see better coach for this juve. he is the best, and he is learning with this kind of experience. the guy has serious potential to dominant the coaching world. he is young and he is creative coach. and he isn't afraid of taking risks.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,619
Of course that Morata sub $#@!ed us; easy to say in hindsight. However we wouldn't have had a 2-0 lead to throw away in the first place if it wasn't for his excellent tactical improvisation. He set us up perfectly, and made one mistake. Can you really say it's his fault now that we're out if that two goal lead was way beyond anyone's expectations in the first place?
This
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
i just can't see better coach for this juve. he is the best, and he is learning with this kind of experience. the guy has serious potential to dominant the coaching world. he is young and he is creative coach. and he isn't afraid of taking risks.
His only downside is that he gets complacent at times, otherwise he's good.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
He's still absolutely a top level coach, those shit subs nonwithstanding.

And even those wouldn't have mattered a bit had our finishing not been so shit tonight
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
Yeah you're point? We were 11 deep for most of the extra time same as the last 17 min of the game and the first 45 of the last leg. Allegri crapped the scenario by taking the pedal off the gas
Typical result-oriented bullshit. We took our foot off the pedal at 2-0 and still managed 3-4 chances on the break. We played bad and couldnt keep any of the ball after the 60th minute, but I'm not so sure it was a tactical decision by Allegri. We played the extra time the same way we played between the 30th and the 60th minute, only it didnt work. If you could replay the game from the 60th minute with the same tactics 100 times, we would qualify 85 or 90 times. If you replay the game from the 90th minute 100 times, we'd qualify 95 times. Bayern had maybe 1 half chance in the second half before the first goal.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 187)