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baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Please enlight me how Lewa and Muller managed to out jump our whole tall defense.

No need to tell me I am overracting, I know that.
I don't think anybody can be faulted for that first goal. Was a bullet cross and a bullet header from European top cf. Mullers goal was simply unfortunate. Too much space on the angle. But it all started with Evra fucking his panties up.
 

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B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
You can blame evra , but like Alen said he had a very good up to that point. Mistake like that happens because the whole team was reacting to every situations after the subs.
Quite the contrast to the first 60 mintues that every move was calculated.

Im pretty sure Sturaros sub was Allegry going for someone to cover more ground, Khedira easily had another 10 15 mins in the tank. We needed his calmness and smart positioning before taking him out. How many mistakes did he force bayern players? You sub a player like that let bayern in the game at 70 or so minutes, it never felt like we were advancing unlike last years game against real after lewadobkeys goal.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
20,828
Not entirely, call me mad but I prefer Zaza game and technique to that of Mario.
And also think Mario was not full fit for the match, I hardly remember him pressing, sprinting or any good pass with preccision as other times.
Anyways is past. We have to learn from it and become stronger. :flag1:
maybe you had put on zaza but i think most of us here would have put mandzu on.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
Say what you will, I would t blame Allegri tonight, and just the fact that he's got half you people so gutted for 'losing like this' without 3 game changing starters is an achievement in itself. He pulled that formation out of his ass overnight, and was two minutes away from eliminating one of the top two clubs in Europe. Some respect for that. Please.
No. You underestimate the quality of our roster. We are every bit as talented as Bayern. Allegri did well at first but fucked up with the subs. I don't think this counts as an achievement.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,707
Allegri explains Juve choices
By Football Italia staff

Max Allegri felt Juventus “went too deep" when leading Bayern Munich and explained his choices.

The Bianconeri were 2-0 up, but were pegged back to 2-2 in stoppages and fell 4-2 in extra time.

“It’s a shame to be eliminated after a performance like that, against a Bayern side that has extraordinary players,” the Coach told Mediaset Premium.

“Football is wonderful because with a minute to go in the first half, Juan Cuadrado could’ve made it 3-0, Alvaro Morata had important chances and Stephan Lichtsteiner could’ve scored a crucial goal.

“Mario Mandzukic hit the goalkeeper square on in extra time and we could’ve opened it up again even after going 4-2 down.

“Winning 2-0 at half-time was not easy, we played with character and should’ve controlled the last two balls better. Above all on the first goal we should’ve put it out for a throw-in.”


Morata had a goal incorrectly disallowed for offside in the first half, but Allegri shrugged off the questions.

“There’s no point talking about the referee. I only compliment my team.
It was an important test for us, even with a new line-up we played on level terms with one of the favourites to win the Champions League.

“It’s a shame, we are upset, but have to put this aside because on Sunday there’s the Turin Derby and then the break will let us recover some of the injured players.”

Allegri was asked about his substitutions, specifically replacing man of the match Morata with Mario Mandzukic.

“I introduced someone fresh like Mandzukic who could hold the ball up. I thought Bayern’s two little defenders at the back couldn’t put up with him.

“Unfortunately, he then went very deep and they raised the two centre-backs. We should’ve been sharper in our goal-scoring opportunities and do some situations better.

“It’s a shame, as with the equaliser we should’ve been sharper and more clear-headed. They weren’t doing much at all and it wouldn’t have been a danger.

“After 70 minutes we lost intensity, that is football…”

The final goal was scored by Kingsley Coman, who is on a two-year loan with option to buy from Juventus.

“He had a good game and with the goal was able to run into open space. He’s improving a lot and can do very well in Germany, because he’s in a team eight steps above the rest and therefore has space to show his quality.”
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Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Bollocks. Bayern were going to press no matter what, simply because they had to.
True. And we would have had a rabid hound to direct passes at, rather then neuer collecting it and passing it right back to a player 25 meters from our goal.

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Allegri conforms that he didnt meant mandzukic to play there as a tactical switch.


I dont understand what went wrong in knowing he couldnt sprint
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
No. You underestimate the quality of our roster. We are every bit as talented as Bayern. Allegri did well at first but fucked up with the subs. I don't think this counts as an achievement.
No I don't underestimate the quality of our roster. The refereeing was atrocious tonight, but the stronger team eventually won and more importantly, came through. We didn't just throw away a lead, we were beaten to it by a side that is more technically gifted than ours. If you're trying to tell me that Juve are on par with Bayern at this point in time, I would differ, because we are still a couple of years behind that fold. And a lot of tonight came down to the strength in depth which we simply didn't have for a European tie of this level. That said, we walk away from this well served to be a recognised top 5 European side.
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
No I don't underestimate the quality of our roster. The refereeing was atrocious tonight, but the stronger team eventually won and more importantly, came through. We didn't just throw away a lead, we were beaten to it by a side that is more technically gifted than ours. If you're trying to tell me that Juve are on par with Bayern at this point in time, I would differ, because we are still a couple of years behind that fold. And a lot of tonight came down to the strength in depth which we simply didn't have for a European tie of this level. That said, we walk away from this well served to be a recognised top 5 European side.
Bayern is the better side, but we did throw away the lead and it's totally on us. Any decent team can hold on one, the few Bundesliga team that beat Bayern did it, as did Arsenal at home.

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We conceded at the end of regular time, let's remember.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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I know Morata gave a lot but he came off 10 mins early, for me.

Judging by his comments he also didn't want to sit so deep. I don't think coaches of such teams every really try to do that, but Juve naturally slip into it. We even do it in Serie A against minnows on occasion. Maybe we ran out of legs a bit, pressure, but it didn't seem tactical. Too deep is suicide, a little deep gives space to counter. But once Morata was off the plan changes anyway.

I'm sure he would have loved Mandzukic-Dybala with Morata off the bench, or Cuadrado off the bench, but there was little choice.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
True. And we would have had a rabid hound to direct passes at, rather then neuer collecting it and passing it right back to a player 25 meters from our goal.

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Allegri conforms that he didnt meant mandzukic to play there as a tactical switch.


I dont understand what went wrong in knowing he couldnt sprint
I'm sorry, but you don't make sense. Aren't you one of many who has been praising Mandzukic' crazy pressing? And do you really believe that Morata would've been able to keep up that intensity?
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
No I don't underestimate the quality of our roster. The refereeing was atrocious tonight, but the stronger team eventually won and more importantly, came through. We didn't just throw away a lead, we were beaten to it by a side that is more technically gifted than ours. If you're trying to tell me that Juve are on par with Bayern at this point in time, I would differ, because we are still a couple of years behind that fold. And a lot of tonight came down to the strength in depth which we simply didn't have for a European tie of this level. That said, we walk away from this well served to be a recognised top 5 European side.
Seven is simply wrong. Allegri fuked on the mandzukic sub and theres no way ill say otherwise..... but in the end bayern simply has better attackers than us. And when you cant be a treat for the whole 90 mins... things liek today happened.

They had players like thiago, coman, GOTZE, and even could also be robben... in the bench...... we have like zero.

Their constant attacking threat is waht fuked us up....and when our already tired and injured team was on its knees...they added a player like coman who could run circles at that point.

We simply need better players. We will not win the CL like this.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
No I don't underestimate the quality of our roster. The refereeing was atrocious tonight, but the stronger team eventually won and more importantly, came through. We didn't just throw away a lead, we were beaten to it by a side that is more technically gifted than ours. If you're trying to tell me that Juve are on par with Bayern at this point in time, I would differ, because we are still a couple of years behind that fold. And a lot of tonight came down to the strength in depth which we simply didn't have for a European tie of this level. That said, we walk away from this well served to be a recognised top 5 European side.
Dude. Just how fucking gay are you? First this shit about us losing the title, now this.. We could have destroyed Bayern. We lost. They didn't win.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Bayern is the better side, but we did throw away the lead and it's totally on us. Any decent team can hold on one, the few Bundesliga team that beat Bayern did it, as did Arsenal at home.

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We conceded at the end of regular time, let's remember.
Let's talk about the bigger picture here. The reality of the situation is that nobody expected the game to go the way it did. Anybody who did, is that octopus reincarnate. We punched above our weight, and we did it without apology for the first seventy minutes, we then tried to rely on our comfort zone that works for us domestically by sitting back. And that allowed Bayern to play to their strengths, at which point it was clear who would turn out second best. We punched above our weight and you got to respect that.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
I know Morata gave a lot but he came off 10 mins early, for me.

Judging by his comments he also didn't want to sit so deep. I don't think coaches of such teams every really try to do that, but Juve naturally slip into it. We even do it in Serie A against minnows on occasion. Maybe we ran out of legs a bit, pressure, but it didn't seem tactical. Too deep is suicide, a little deep gives space to counter. But once Morata was off the plan changes anyway.

I'm sure he would have loved Mandzukic-Dybala with Morata off the bench, or Cuadrado off the bench, but there was little choice.


And what u say is worrysome. is in our DNA even maybe....

we auto sit deep on some ocations... is weird as fuk

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Dude. Just how $#@!ing gay are you? First this $#@! about us losing the title, now this.. We could have destroyed Bayern. We lost. They didn't win.
Continue beliveing in fairy tales.

We will serie A for sure. And if we lose we should sell this fukim team.

But on the CL..we are 2nd teir until we get 2 or 3 real ofensive players to carry us in games like this.......

until that...continue enjoying your hernaneses and khediras and sturaros to you heart content.
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
26,829
Let's talk about the bigger picture here. The reality of the situation is that nobody expected the game to go the way it did. Anybody who did, is that octopus reincarnate. We punched above our weight, and we did it without apology for the first seventy minutes, we then tried to rely on our comfort zone that works for us domestically by sitting back. And that allowed Bayern to play to their strengths, at which point it was clear who would turn out second best. We punched above our weight and you got to respect that.
Yes, we did. Which makes it, just as I replied to somone else, all the more frustrating. Considering how the game went at first, we totally could have pulled it off. It's a big shame since opportunity like these don't come that often. We gave ourselves the game on a silver platter, and then proceed to collapse and give it back to Bayern at the end of regular time.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I'm sorry, but you don't make sense. Aren't you one of many who has been praising Mandzukic' crazy pressing? And do you really believe that Morata would've been able to keep up that intensity?
No, offcourse not. Like i said, it was allegri masterclass untill we had to sub.


Apparenly, he expected from mandzukic exactly what morata was doing. What i dont understand is how allegri didnt knew that he couldnt sprint. Something went amiss here.
 

LordBendtner

Promising Lord
Jan 6, 2015
79
I don't think the subs had anything to do with it, but the Tacticts, WOW, why on earth he decided that we should park the buss with 20 min left of on the clock, against the freakin second best team in the world right now, especially when we just proved AND realized "holy shit, we're actually awesome without luck" will forever be a mistery to me. We should've kept on pushing up until a the first Bayern goal, if there even would have been a goal. With maintaining that tactic, the subs would've worked.
 

baggio

Senior Member
Jun 3, 2003
19,250
Yes, we did. Which makes it, just as I replied to somone else, all the more frustrating. Considering how the game went at first, we totally could have pulled it off. It's a big shame since opportunity like these don't come that often. We gave ourselves the game on a silver platter, and then proceed to collapse and give it back to Bayern at the end of regular time.
Anybody who thinks the game was lost tonight is fooling themselves. We set this tie up in Turin, and that's where we deserve the blame. Tonight, we are heroes.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
No, offcourse not. Like i said, it was allegri masterclass untill we had to sub.


Apparenly, he expected from mandzukic exactly what morata was doing. What i dont understand is how allegri didnt knew that he couldnt sprint. Something went amiss here.
Morata just has more quality too. Especially if the striker has to create chances on his own.
 

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