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am0110

Senior Member
Jun 5, 2005
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Max is integrating Dybala too fast, I am scared...we might ruin his talent.He should have sub Paulo at half time.
It's good that after 2:0 and man up, Lemina did not play, slow integration is good. Rugani will be great, take time with lad..he is a gem, integrate him wisely.
 

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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Alright, tuz. Time to Discuss. @Osman @Zacheryah @Red @Post Ironic and everybody else.

What's our best option here? Dybala being a starter from now on is a no brainer. Pogba obviously isn't your typical Trequartista but a Pogba in good form seems to do well when he has another highly intelligent player next to him. Is it worth trying him behind the strikers since we seem to be so packed in the CM department?

What happens to Cuadrado now, how can we fit both Cuadrado and Dybala in the same formation? Should we persist with playing a 4-3-3 with Morata out of position cutting inside from the flanks just to fit Cuadrado, and/or maybe try it with Dybala as a false 9 but then we lose a more agressive attacking Pobga... Or should we stick to what is Allegri's comfort zone, the 4-3-1-2 with Pogba/Pereyra behind an attacking pair of Dybala and Morata/Mandzukic?

What are your thoughts on this?
There is another option, as Cuadrado was always good in the CAM role at Fiorentina. He didn't play it frequently, but when he did he was very good there. I'd be interested in seeing Cuadrado as the CAM, as he has been one of our best players this season.

Today we seemed to shift between 4-3-1-2 and what looked more like a 4-4-2 with Asamoah playing LM. I'm not a fan of 4-4-2 in general, and I don't really think it would work for us. We really do have a logjam of players in mid though, as Asamoah looked excellent today, and you could probably consider Cuadrado as another Mid if we are playing a 4 man midfield.

One last option would be Cuadrado as an SS to occasionally rest Dybala. You have a starting pair of Dybala-Morata, and Cuadrado rotates with Dybala and Mandzukic with Morata.

I think rotation will feature heavily this year. But I do think Dybala and Morata need to be permanent fixtures up front. I'd like to see us play both 4-3-3 and 4-3-1-2.
 

Salvo

J
Moderator
Dec 17, 2007
62,842
Alright, tuz. Time to Discuss. @Osman @Zacheryah @Red @Post Ironic and everybody else.

What's our best option here? Dybala being a starter from now on is a no brainer. Pogba obviously isn't your typical Trequartista but a Pogba in good form seems to do well when he has another highly intelligent player next to him. Is it worth trying him behind the strikers since we seem to be so packed in the CM department?

What happens to Cuadrado now, how can we fit both Cuadrado and Dybala in the same formation? Should we persist with playing a 4-3-3 with Morata out of position cutting inside from the flanks just to fit Cuadrado, and/or maybe try it with Dybala as a false 9 but then we lose a more agressive attacking Pobga... Or should we stick to what is Allegri's comfort zone, the 4-3-1-2 with Pogba/Pereyra behind an attacking pair of Dybala and Morata/Mandzukic?

What are your thoughts on this?
4-3-2-1
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
Alright, tuz. Time to Discuss. @Osman @Zacheryah @Red @Post Ironic and everybody else.

What's our best option here? Dybala being a starter from now on is a no brainer. Pogba obviously isn't your typical Trequartista but a Pogba in good form seems to do well when he has another highly intelligent player next to him. Is it worth trying him behind the strikers since we seem to be so packed in the CM department?
One of the best things that Pogba did in a more advanced role that we have been lacking was playing with his back to goal and giving midfielders and Dybala someone to play off. He definitely adds what you look for in a trequartista and a lot more.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Alright, tuz. Time to Discuss. @Osman @Zacheryah @Red @Post Ironic and everybody else.

What's our best option here? Dybala being a starter from now on is a no brainer. Pogba obviously isn't your typical Trequartista but a Pogba in good form seems to do well when he has another highly intelligent player next to him. Is it worth trying him behind the strikers since we seem to be so packed in the CM department?

What happens to Cuadrado now, how can we fit both Cuadrado and Dybala in the same formation? Should we persist with playing a 4-3-3 with Morata out of position cutting inside from the flanks just to fit Cuadrado, and/or maybe try it with Dybala as a false 9 but then we lose a more agressive attacking Pobga... Or should we stick to what is Allegri's comfort zone, the 4-3-1-2 with Pogba/Pereyra behind an attacking pair of Dybala and Morata/Mandzukic?

What are your thoughts on this?
im gonna ignore defense so Khedira, Pogba, Marchisio, Dybala, Cuadrado and Morata is currently the best we have and finding a way to fit them in should be the solution. Sevilla game at home is an example how it should be done. Marchisio deepest CM, Khedira right next to him but with less offensive plays. Pogba with a more offensive role from the left, drifting wide sometimes and supporting Morata. Cuadrado some sort of AM that always drifts to the right side creating spance for Pogba and Dybala to drop back. Morata as a left winger/CF. so like this:

---------Marchisio
-Khedira
----------------------Pogba
---Cuadrado
------------Dybala---Morata

something like this on paper
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
One of the best things that Pogba did in a more advanced role that we have been lacking was playing with his back to goal and giving midfielders and Dybala someone to play off. He definitely adds what you look for in a trequartista and a lot more.
Has been saying this since preseason. He has the physique and unique talent to play as treq if he really wanted. We have excess of muscle to play in the def mid role, specially after getting asamoah back.

Dont contain pogba, let him be. As long as he continue playing like he did today, being intelligent, not selfish, and adding his fair share of magic.... i think he can do good.

I dont know if its the definte answer, but is definitely worth a shot to give the Morata-Dybala-Pogba trio a fair share of runs.

I mean, they are our 3 most decisive and talented players in attack, it makes no sense to not try to implement those 3 always.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,956
What happens to Cuadrado now, how can we fit both Cuadrado and Dybala in the same formation?
I said after a few games that this would be our biggest problem. Cuadrado can't play in today's formation and Dybala loses his usefulness in a 3-5-2 because it is wingback-based. We would have to play 4-4-2 to use both to full effect, which isn't going to happen. The other alternative is a front three and put them either side of Morata/Mandzukic/Zaza and have them keep swapping wings.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
Away to Sassuolo next, surely Zaza is going to start?
For what reason?. Because of the "player scoring against former team"?.

Not worth it, just play the best players we have until we get a winning rhytm. Zaza is definitely not our best dude. If allegri wants, he can sub him in at 75 or so depending on whats goign on
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Alright, tuz. Time to Discuss. @Osman @Zacheryah @Red @Post Ironic and everybody else.

What's our best option here? Dybala being a starter from now on is a no brainer. Pogba obviously isn't your typical Trequartista but a Pogba in good form seems to do well when he has another highly intelligent player next to him. Is it worth trying him behind the strikers since we seem to be so packed in the CM department?

What happens to Cuadrado now, how can we fit both Cuadrado and Dybala in the same formation? Should we persist with playing a 4-3-3 with Morata out of position cutting inside from the flanks just to fit Cuadrado, and/or maybe try it with Dybala as a false 9 but then we lose a more agressive attacking Pobga... Or should we stick to what is Allegri's comfort zone, the 4-3-1-2 with Pogba/Pereyra behind an attacking pair of Dybala and Morata/Mandzukic?

What are your thoughts on this?
Marotta sure knows how to give his coach a selection headache :D

If one of our leftwingbacks hits a good form, i'd go for an assymetrical 352/433. Cuadrado as a high playing wingback, Sandro starting from deeper, but filling in the space on the left.


it had alot of good points, but the players need to adjust and you kinda need that LWB to do his marauding runs


Zambrotta or Roberto Carlos spring to mind
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,322
For what reason?. Because of the "player scoring against former team"?.

Not worth it, just play the best players we have until we get a winning rhytm. Zaza is definitely not our best dude. If allegri wants, he can sub him in at 75 or so depending on whats goign on
Exactly

I'm not saying we should play Zaza, just that I can see Allegri going for him.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I said after a few games that this would be our biggest problem. Cuadrado can't play in today's formation and Dybala loses his usefulness in a 3-5-2 because it is wingback-based. We would have to play 4-4-2 to use both to full effect, which isn't going to happen. The other alternative is a front three and put them either side of Morata/Mandzukic/Zaza and have them keep swapping wings.
What about Cuadrado as a rotation option at SS with Dybala, and at CAM with Pereyra? He played both those positions at Viola at times.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
“I liked Dybala's position, and Pereyra's too. Dybala will have to play between the lines.

“With all due respect for [President Maurizio] Zamparini, but the lad only just came from Palermo and we can't give him too many responsibilities.

“He must develop physically and improve. He's only 21 years old and the balls he plays here are not like those in Palermo.

“He used to play one or two balls per minute, here he gets one or two every 15 seconds. He must improve in terms of character too.

“He still has trouble with physical contrasts. But he's good at passing, he has a great shot and he can find his space.

“Nobody criticises his quality, he always played. The fact he played changes nothing, but my mind was made up after the game against Manchester [City].

“In the championship there are highs and lows. If he can develop technically, tactically and physically, he'll become a champion.
Allegri already making excuses for not starting Dybala the last 2 matches, and for having him on the bench next match. :sergio:
 

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