Massimiliano Allegri (240 Viewers)

[Red]

In understand that we play a more offensive formation but can someone explain the huge space that we leave at the back?

A lot of the problems are caused simply by Juve playing in largely the same way as they did when it was 3-5-2.

Now, though, you have just the two centre-backs covering the space.

There needs to be more of an adjustment to the new system from the full-backs (i.e. they need to play as full-backs, not wing-backs) and at least one of the midfielders playing beside Pirlo needs to actually stay there close to him, narrow and deep, and spend a lot of time playing like a defensive midfielders.

Do people remember when Allegri was playing with three defensive midfielders (Gattuso, Van Bommel, Ambrosini) when Milan last won the league? Or when Ancelotti had Gattuso and Ambrosini playing either side of Pirlo when Milan last won the CL?

That, to my mind, is how 4-3-1-2 (or 4-3-2-1) works best. You set up to completely dominate the centre of the pitch and the midfield holds shape and position to allow the full-backs to attack and to allow the team to have three very attacking players up front.

If you want one or both the midfielders on the side of the midfield to be able to attack you are then getting into an area where there needs to be a very good understanding between the midfielders and the full-backs as to who can attack at any given moment without leaving the team completely unbalanced.

I don't like 4-3-1-2 in general and I don't think it is a system that is likely to get the best from Juve's players just now.

 

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[Hust]

We wouldn't have as many people moaning as we do today if we didn't have the issues finishing that we do. We are giving ourselves the opportunities to close the games early but aren't taking them.

 

[Hust]

We wouldn't have as many people moaning as we do today if we didn't have the issues finishing that we do. We are giving ourselves the opportunities to close the games early but aren't taking them.

 

[Hydde]

A lot of the problems are caused simply by Juve playing in largely the same way as they did when it was 3-5-2.

Now, though, you have just the two centre-backs covering the space.

There needs to be more of an adjustment to the new system from the full-backs (i.e. they need to play as full-backs, not wing-backs) and at least one of the midfielders playing beside Pirlo needs to actually stay there close to him, narrow and deep, and spend a lot of time playing like a defensive midfielders.

Do people remember when Allegri was playing with three defensive midfielders (Gattuso, Van Bommel, Ambrosini) when Milan last won the league? Or when Ancelotti had Gattuso and Ambrosini playing either side of Pirlo when Milan last won the CL?

That, to my mind, is how 4-3-1-2 (or 4-3-2-1) works best. You set up to completely dominate the centre of the pitch and the midfield holds shape and position to allow the full-backs to attack and to allow the team to have three very attacking players up front.

If you want one or both the midfielders on the side of the midfield to be able to attack you are then getting into an area where there needs to be a very good understanding between the midfielders and the full-backs as to who can attack at any given moment without leaving the team completely unbalanced.

I don't like 4-3-1-2 in general and I don't think it is a system that is likely to get the best from Juve's players just now.

Im with you on this one. I hope we go away from Pirlo based systems soon. 433 with Cheeseio,Pogs,Vidal and 3 VERY attaking minded and skiller players in front of them.

The 4312 , is not working well because like you said, they are still playing like if it was 352. We need to change more

 

[Hydde]

A lot of the problems are caused simply by Juve playing in largely the same way as they did when it was 3-5-2.

Now, though, you have just the two centre-backs covering the space.

There needs to be more of an adjustment to the new system from the full-backs (i.e. they need to play as full-backs, not wing-backs) and at least one of the midfielders playing beside Pirlo needs to actually stay there close to him, narrow and deep, and spend a lot of time playing like a defensive midfielders.

Do people remember when Allegri was playing with three defensive midfielders (Gattuso, Van Bommel, Ambrosini) when Milan last won the league? Or when Ancelotti had Gattuso and Ambrosini playing either side of Pirlo when Milan last won the CL?

That, to my mind, is how 4-3-1-2 (or 4-3-2-1) works best. You set up to completely dominate the centre of the pitch and the midfield holds shape and position to allow the full-backs to attack and to allow the team to have three very attacking players up front.

If you want one or both the midfielders on the side of the midfield to be able to attack you are then getting into an area where there needs to be a very good understanding between the midfielders and the full-backs as to who can attack at any given moment without leaving the team completely unbalanced.

I don't like 4-3-1-2 in general and I don't think it is a system that is likely to get the best from Juve's players just now.

Im with you on this one. I hope we go away from Pirlo based systems soon. 433 with Cheeseio,Pogs,Vidal and 3 VERY attaking minded and skiller players in front of them.

The 4312 , is not working well because like you said, they are still playing like if it was 352. We need to change more

 

[JCK]

A lot of the problems are caused simply by Juve playing in largely the same way as they did when it was 3-5-2.

Now, though, you have just the two centre-backs covering the space.

There needs to be more of an adjustment to the new system from the full-backs (i.e. they need to play as full-backs, not wing-backs) and at least one of the midfielders playing beside Pirlo needs to actually stay there close to him, narrow and deep, and spend a lot of time playing like a defensive midfielders.

Do people remember when Allegri was playing with three defensive midfielders (Gattuso, Van Bommel, Ambrosini) when Milan last won the league? Or when Ancelotti had Gattuso and Ambrosini playing either side of Pirlo when Milan last won the CL?

That, to my mind, is how 4-3-1-2 (or 4-3-2-1) works best. You set up to completely dominate the centre of the pitch and the midfield holds shape and position to allow the full-backs to attack and to allow the team to have three very attacking players up front.

If you want one or both the midfielders on the side of the midfield to be able to attack you are then getting into an area where there needs to be a very good understanding between the midfielders and the full-backs as to who can attack at any given moment without leaving the team completely unbalanced.

I don't like 4-3-1-2 in general and I don't think it is a system that is likely to get the best from Juve's players just now.

I don't like the formation either and I agree with you that we don't have the players to deploy it as it is supposed to be.

 

[JCK]

A lot of the problems are caused simply by Juve playing in largely the same way as they did when it was 3-5-2.

Now, though, you have just the two centre-backs covering the space.

There needs to be more of an adjustment to the new system from the full-backs (i.e. they need to play as full-backs, not wing-backs) and at least one of the midfielders playing beside Pirlo needs to actually stay there close to him, narrow and deep, and spend a lot of time playing like a defensive midfielders.

Do people remember when Allegri was playing with three defensive midfielders (Gattuso, Van Bommel, Ambrosini) when Milan last won the league? Or when Ancelotti had Gattuso and Ambrosini playing either side of Pirlo when Milan last won the CL?

That, to my mind, is how 4-3-1-2 (or 4-3-2-1) works best. You set up to completely dominate the centre of the pitch and the midfield holds shape and position to allow the full-backs to attack and to allow the team to have three very attacking players up front.

If you want one or both the midfielders on the side of the midfield to be able to attack you are then getting into an area where there needs to be a very good understanding between the midfielders and the full-backs as to who can attack at any given moment without leaving the team completely unbalanced.

I don't like 4-3-1-2 in general and I don't think it is a system that is likely to get the best from Juve's players just now.

I don't like the formation either and I agree with you that we don't have the players to deploy it as it is supposed to be.

 

[.zero]

We wouldn't have as many people moaning as we do today if we didn't have the issues finishing that we do. We are giving ourselves the opportunities to close the games early but aren't taking them.

Moggi is to blame

 

[.zero]

We wouldn't have as many people moaning as we do today if we didn't have the issues finishing that we do. We are giving ourselves the opportunities to close the games early but aren't taking them.

Moggi is to blame

 

[Hust]

Who came before Moggi? I blame that guy.

 

[Hust]

Who came before Moggi? I blame that guy.

 

[Papi-a]

Agree with 4-3-3.. Why can't we try Pogba - Marchisio - Vidal and then Tevez - Morata - Giovinco/Coman. just play that 4-3-3 without Pirlo..

 

[Papi-a]

Agree with 4-3-3.. Why can't we try Pogba - Marchisio - Vidal and then Tevez - Morata - Giovinco/Coman. just play that 4-3-3 without Pirlo..

 

[Salvo]

I wonder why we sort of abandoned the 4-3-3

 

[Salvo]

I wonder why we sort of abandoned the 4-3-3

 

[Hust]

Sort of?

 

[Hust]

Sort of?

 

[Salvo]

I am holding out hope

Nah I more meant that we didnt really play it bar times that we bought another striker on during a game.

 

[Salvo]

I am holding out hope

Nah I more meant that we didnt really play it bar times that we bought another striker on during a game.

 

[Hust]

Probably the most elusive answer to this forum the "why" surrounding the abandoning of the 433.