Massimiliano Allegri (183 Viewers)
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Heynckes' Bayern is hands down the most impressive team i've seen the past decade or so.
Yet one tends to think the same of the spain when it comes to NT's, when they won 6 years everything. Yet when everybody was getting filthy rape in the anus, Italy actually made them work for it extremely hard, and especially in 2008, when spain got plain lucky.
I can see a great coach build a Juventus that is not the most talented, but a team that everybody fucking hates to play against, the most hated team to play against for that fact.
I can see Euromaxx, create this at juventus.
And Euromaxx would not pussy ass bitch before the game that the opponent is superior. He would say that the opponent fucking hates to play us more then any team, and that every player and especially Padohero, is fucking ready to show why.
#Euromaxx
Without a doubt Allegri deserves another year, and he has impressed me. Nevertheless, I will give him another year before I can truly rate him.
He has changed the system and done so when we desperately needed it too. His hands has been somewhat tied in this aspect with a lot of injuries as you guys mention. He has been more willing to land a hand to our younger players, more willing to rotate and try different things. More adaptive to circumstances and opposition, including during games, (tactically stronger) than Conte. He also has been able to change our attitude in CL, I really enjoyed reading his comment pre-Dortmund away where he said that what we needed was a goal, since Dortmund would score anyway there was no reason to park the bus - we needed to go forward. So there are a lot of good things coming around that I have been happy to see. I also think the team will be stronger after summer mercato when more players suited to his system has arrived.
Still, in serie a our only competition is our hunger to win. I think we all feared the players motivation this year before the season started and not the quality of the team or the competition. On paper not getting a scudetto would have been a big disappointment.
In Europe not getting through group stages would also have been a big disappointment. Dortmund has been very poor this year so even if I was really scared a priori this should have been a win. Now we will be facing Monaco and no disrespect but if we do our job we will go through. Loosing out in the semis will be sad but was never really on the cards until we got lucky to face Dortmund and Monaco.
He has exceeded my initially very low expectations but he has not yet done enough to prove me that he should stay long-term. I am more than willing to let him continue but I will probably wait with my sincere evaluation until after next season.
Furthermore, Conte is a great coach and still young. I would be happy to see him return in the future (but not for the upcoming years). Regarding the summer mercato, we've had a bunch of games where we've struggled to win and where Pogba and Tevez has stepped forward to bring in 3 points based on individual efforts (individual brilliance). I don't mind that at all, big teams can survive on occasions because they have these kind of players. I just hope that we can keep them and realize that quantity can help the team (vast difference right now between our benchers and starters) but quality players can break dead ties.
He has changed the system and done so when we desperately needed it too. His hands has been somewhat tied in this aspect with a lot of injuries as you guys mention. He has been more willing to land a hand to our younger players, more willing to rotate and try different things. More adaptive to circumstances and opposition, including during games, (tactically stronger) than Conte. He also has been able to change our attitude in CL, I really enjoyed reading his comment pre-Dortmund away where he said that what we needed was a goal, since Dortmund would score anyway there was no reason to park the bus - we needed to go forward. So there are a lot of good things coming around that I have been happy to see. I also think the team will be stronger after summer mercato when more players suited to his system has arrived.
Still, in serie a our only competition is our hunger to win. I think we all feared the players motivation this year before the season started and not the quality of the team or the competition. On paper not getting a scudetto would have been a big disappointment.
In Europe not getting through group stages would also have been a big disappointment. Dortmund has been very poor this year so even if I was really scared a priori this should have been a win. Now we will be facing Monaco and no disrespect but if we do our job we will go through. Loosing out in the semis will be sad but was never really on the cards until we got lucky to face Dortmund and Monaco.
He has exceeded my initially very low expectations but he has not yet done enough to prove me that he should stay long-term. I am more than willing to let him continue but I will probably wait with my sincere evaluation until after next season.
Furthermore, Conte is a great coach and still young. I would be happy to see him return in the future (but not for the upcoming years). Regarding the summer mercato, we've had a bunch of games where we've struggled to win and where Pogba and Tevez has stepped forward to bring in 3 points based on individual efforts (individual brilliance). I don't mind that at all, big teams can survive on occasions because they have these kind of players. I just hope that we can keep them and realize that quantity can help the team (vast difference right now between our benchers and starters) but quality players can break dead ties.
I dont share your view though we are close as we agree about that Bayern. The difference is only because there are no teams as good as that Bayern or close enough. The 2012 Juve was a very tough team to beat but Bayern were simply too good and they rampaged through that Juve and they would do the same to the current Juve.
The second leg against Dortmund showed a pre-Bayern Juve mentality + Tevez. Whether that was a one off thing remains to be seen but I am hoping it is not and that our old mentality is back. If we have complete performances against Monaco I'd say we are back.
If we are back to 2012 mentality I say we can give any team today a really tough time but not a team of the quality that the old Bayern had.
The old Bayern might struggle (but ultimately win) against the UTD that had Ronaldo and Tevez, Mourinho's treble Inter and Guardiola's best Barca but thats about it. I'd say it would breeze through the current Bayern, last season's madrid, current Barca and definitely PSG, Juve and Chelsea.
Its unreasonable to ask of Maxx or any coach to compete with the old bayern using Juve's squad but it is reasonable to ask him to beat Monaco, 50:50 against chelsea and PSG and 30:70 against the big 3.
The second leg against Dortmund showed a pre-Bayern Juve mentality + Tevez. Whether that was a one off thing remains to be seen but I am hoping it is not and that our old mentality is back. If we have complete performances against Monaco I'd say we are back.
If we are back to 2012 mentality I say we can give any team today a really tough time but not a team of the quality that the old Bayern had.
The old Bayern might struggle (but ultimately win) against the UTD that had Ronaldo and Tevez, Mourinho's treble Inter and Guardiola's best Barca but thats about it. I'd say it would breeze through the current Bayern, last season's madrid, current Barca and definitely PSG, Juve and Chelsea.
Its unreasonable to ask of Maxx or any coach to compete with the old bayern using Juve's squad but it is reasonable to ask him to beat Monaco, 50:50 against chelsea and PSG and 30:70 against the big 3.
Italy and its team have a history of beeing able to be the best team's worst nightmare, as they would find ways to negate their creative play, and kill them on a lone counter.
I keep Allegri's tactical skills in very high regard. I dont expect us to just beat that bayern. I expect us to make it exceptionally difficult for them to create anything. In the end they'd more likely win considering the gap in quality, but they would have worked very hard for it.
2012 bayern would tear 2008 united, 2009 barcelona a new asshole, and would an additional 7 to current barcelona and last season's madrid.
I keep Allegri's tactical skills in very high regard. I dont expect us to just beat that bayern. I expect us to make it exceptionally difficult for them to create anything. In the end they'd more likely win considering the gap in quality, but they would have worked very hard for it.
2012 bayern would tear 2008 united, 2009 barcelona a new asshole, and would an additional 7 to current barcelona and last season's madrid.
I get that we shopuld not be favorites against some teams including Bayern but we should always be in a tie. No team should beat us 2-0 at home or something in the first leg. That is the big thing.Bayern outclassed us but they also scored in the first 5 minutes of the tie. That played against us pretty hard. What happens if we were in the 75th minute at nil nil and they tured for parts of the game? A lot of scenarios go in to games. We were not the most complete team back then but we are more complete now with tevez and Morata that can hold up play and give some good work rate up top. We are building a squad that wins not that dominates every minute but thats ok in my mind. I like what allegri is doing but mostly Morata is excellent at giving us quality depth and great free players and upcoming talents
Exactly.
When teams like fartcelona and gayall madrid run rampant against peasants of shit, cause nobody bothers with proper defence and two holding midfielders that arent actually dolan and also actually cam's that shouldnt play there
I want us to be that team that makes them goddamn grind for it.
remember how we somehow got past fagcelona in 2003 ? Exactly like that.
When teams like fartcelona and gayall madrid run rampant against peasants of shit, cause nobody bothers with proper defence and two holding midfielders that arent actually dolan and also actually cam's that shouldnt play there
I want us to be that team that makes them goddamn grind for it.
remember how we somehow got past fagcelona in 2003 ? Exactly like that.
