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Jan 7, 2013
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We need to run more risks. We cannot continue on this ultra conservative path that we took under Conte since it is leading us nowhere in Europe. Stronger teams have no problem containing an opponent with just two purely offensive players and no creativity or speed up front. It was demonstrated again and again in Europe. Surely you could see that ;)
 

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AlexOB

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Apr 2, 2014
701
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
Not true. The dribbler/runner/incisive Pereyra is on another level for that role, I should have reckon that. Did you see the big wins against Parma and Lazio, after all? He had a major role in that. And Vidal wasn't playing, a coincidence? I don't think so. Now that I think to that, against Parma was not playing even Pirlo, Romulo was playing and he had quite a great match, while Pirlo struggled yesterday and even in Malmo. Just stop to these glorified CM, we need new blood and direct players, Allegri must be stupid not to see that. Just put Vidal at CM so he can do the only thing he does well, stealing the ball and passing it to the next guy, cause he's useless at everything else.

Let's put Pereyra "cold foot" as a starter close to the net, that has scored something 7 goals in 4 years in Italy. But he's showed that, DAMN, what an AM. And the guy got balls, just watch how clinical he was against Udinese and Sassuolo. I'd play him against AM, Godin would be shitting his pants.

Vidal can't attack spaces... Just watch yesterday against Torino, his offside goal. Pereyra would have been onside and scored with his backheel, he's da man.

One of those guys, Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo, Pogba... Just bench one of them while they're all being important and are the strong core of the team, who cares. That won't affect the team, there's the Fenomeno Pereyra.

And with him we magically play wide, a 4-3-3, even Tevez changes his position when he sees the phenomenon Pereyra on the pitch according to @LiquidPLP because he borns as a winger (CM, but a very wingy CM), not like the bad boy Vidal, that forces the team to be slow and play central. You can-see-the difference, litterally.

And Vidal can enter into the area just as a CM, as an AM is different. It's a mentality matter.

4-3-1-2 or 3-5-2? No difference for that (but 3-5-2 sucked, 4-3-1-2 don't).

And we play a straight 4-3-1-2 with Vidal on the pitch, like Ancelotti's Milan. Vidal is Kaka. Marchisio is pulling off a Gattuso as a RCM, it's not like they interchange their position with Arturo.
 

AlexOB

Senior Member
Apr 2, 2014
701
Vidal is not a traditional AM but he can affect the game positively in other ways. He made that great layoff to Pirlo for the goal and the match before he had something like 5 key passes.

His finishing is also very good and he gets himself into good spots with his work rate.

I agree he's better as a B2B but in a 4-3-1-2 there is less of a chance for him to get forward. There are no channels for him to exploit when we have already 3 players ahead of him playing centrally. The 3 CMs in this formation are more concentrated on possession (ball control, short passing, etc.) which does not suit Vidal as much as AM where he has more freedom to be dynamic.

Vidal has 34 goals over the last 2 seasons. In a 4-3-1-2 you are moving him further away from goal if you play him as a CM. I think his recent form has made people forget how lethal he is in front of goal. He did not score his goals from outside the box. He scored them from inside the box. So it's not illogical to make sure he can still get into those areas.
Not true. The dribbler/runner/incisive Pereyra is on another level for that role, I should have reckon that. Did you see the big wins against Parma and Lazio, after all? He had a major role in that. And Vidal wasn't playing, a coincidence? I don't think so. Now that I think to that, against Parma was not playing even Pirlo, Romulo was playing and he had quite a great match, while Pirlo struggled yesterday and even in Malmo. Just stop to these glorified CM, we need new blood and direct players, Allegri must be stupid not to see that. Just put Vidal at CM so he can do the only thing he does well, stealing the ball and passing it to the next guy, cause he's useless at everything else.

Let's put Pereyra "cold foot" as a starter close to the net, that has scored something 7 goals in 4 years in Italy. But he's showed that, DAMN, what an AM. And the guy got balls, just watch how clinical he was against Udinese and Sassuolo. I'd play him against AM, Godin would be shitting his pants.

Vidal can't attack spaces... Just watch yesterday against Torino, his offside goal. Pereyra would have been onside and scored with his backheel, he's da man.

One of those guys, Vidal, Marchisio, Pirlo, Pogba... Just bench one of them while they're all being important and are the strong core of the team, who cares. That won't affect the team, there's the Fenomeno Pereyra.

And with him we magically play wide, a 4-3-3, even Tevez changes his position when he sees the phenomenon Pereyra on the pitch according to @LiquidPLP because he borns as a winger (CM, but a very wingy CM), not like the bad boy Vidal, that forces the team to be slow and play central. You can-see-the difference, litterally.

And Vidal can enter into the area just as a CM, as an AM is different. It's a mentality matter.

4-3-1-2 or 3-5-2? No difference for that (but 3-5-2 sucked, 4-3-1-2 don't).

And we play a straight 4-3-1-2 with Vidal on the pitch, like Ancelotti's Milan. Vidal is Kaka. Marchisio is pulling off a Gattuso as a RCM, it's not like they interchange their position with Arturo.
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
83,235
We need to run more risks. We cannot continue on this ultra conservative path that we took under Conte since it is leading us nowhere in Europe. Stronger teams have no problem containing an opponent with just two purely offensive players and no creativity or speed up front. It was demonstrated again and again in Europe. Surely you could see that ;)
It reminds me of what the great Pavel Nedved once said

@Hustini @swag
 

.zero

★ ★ ★
Aug 8, 2006
83,235
We need to run more risks. We cannot continue on this ultra conservative path that we took under Conte since it is leading us nowhere in Europe. Stronger teams have no problem containing an opponent with just two purely offensive players and no creativity or speed up front. It was demonstrated again and again in Europe. Surely you could see that ;)
It reminds me of what the great Pavel Nedved once said

@Hustini @swag
 

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