Massimiliano Allegri (199 Viewers)

[mondo1]

'we are waiting for gotze' has become the new 'diego's sold for cheap coz he is part of the dzeko deal'

And what about 'we sold Vidal for a discount to get gotze'?

 

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[alexjuventino]

Tarek Khatib ‏@ADP1113 2h2 hours ago
Allegri "We are missing an attacking midfielder & the club knows. Maybe someone can arrive as early as this week."

Monday

 

[zizinho]

He is, Morata as a CF is better, so you want to play Morata as winger just to accomodate Mandzukic, even if you argue that Mandzu is better, why waste Morata on the wing ? he's clearly not a winger. And please don't say they should play together, because neither has a SS qualities. That's why it's still baffling that we spent 39 mil on the two potential bench players ( Mandzukic and Zaza ) when we could've spent it more wisely !!

please dont tell me youre one of those who think if we didnt buy player xx for xxM and player yy for yyM we could have got player zz for zzM

 

[Cheesio]

please dont tell me youre one of those who think if we didnt buy player xx for xxM and player yy for yyM we could have got player zz for zzM

Wether we used the money to get someone better or not, it's still doesn't make sense to use that kind of money for two backups.

 

[zizinho]

Wether we used the money to get someone better or not, it's still doesn't make sense to use that kind of money for two backups.

Mandzukic is one of the top CFs in the game, why do you limit his role to a backup? he will play 30+ games this season, close to 40 if he stays healthy. Zaza over 20 games. they both are here for a reason, because without them we would have Morata, Dybala, Coman and we would still buy 2 strikers, maybe even more expensive than those 2. thats especially in a year we are losing both Tevez and Llorente, who wasnt that important for us last season, but still played a significant amount of games. Morata has a high chance of leaving next summer too, so both Zaza and Mandzukic make perfect sense.

and we arent "wasting money"? we are merely spending our transfer budget on 2 players the board and the coach decided that are needed. if we havent bough those 2, we would buy other "backups", we wouldnt "save the money" and we also wouldnt have more money to spend next year because of it either

 

[Cheesio]

Mandzukic is one of the top CFs in the game, why do you limit his role to a backup? he will play 30+ games this season, close to 40 if he stays healthy. Zaza over 20 games. they both are here for a reason, because without them we would have Morata, Dybala, Coman and we would still buy 2 strikers, maybe even more expensive than those 2. thats especially in a year we are losing both Tevez and Llorente, who wasnt that important for us last season, but still played a significant amount of games. Morata has a high chance of leaving next summer too, so both Zaza and Mandzukic make perfect sense.

and we arent "wasting money"? we are merely spending our transfer budget on 2 players the board and the coach decided that are needed. if we havent bough those 2, we would buy other "backups", we wouldnt "save the money" and we also wouldnt have more money to spend next year because of it either

First of all Mandzukic is not one of the top CF to the games, he's a good player when surrounded by players that suit his style of play, similar to what Llorente was in Bilbao....
Second, Zaza is mediocre, he's in no way worth close to being worth 18 mil even in this inflated Market.
You are telling me that Mandzu and Zaza will play 60 games between them, so you are suggesting playing Morata out of position ( winger or SS ) just to give players that are inferior to him as CFs playing time.
Let's not forget that we are getting Draxler, so we will have Draxler as an AM, playing behind 2 of Morata , Zaza, Mandzu, Dybala... either way you will be leaving 40 mil on the bench in addition to one of the brightest youngsters in the world in Coman...

 

[zizinho]

First of all Mandzukic is not one of the top CF to the games, he's a good player when surrounded by players that suit his style of play, similar to what Llorente was in Bilbao....
Second, Zaza is mediocre, he's in no way worth close to being worth 18 mil even in this inflated Market.
You are telling me that Mandzu and Zaza will play 60 games between them, so you are suggesting playing Morata out of position ( winger or SS ) just to give players that are inferior to him as CFs playing time.
Let's not forget that we are getting Draxler, so we will have Draxler as an AM, playing behind 2 of Morata , Zaza, Mandzu, Dybala... either way you will be leaving 40 mil on the bench in addition to one of the brightest youngsters in the world in Coman...

we are playing ~50 games a season, even more than 50 if we reach QF/SF of CL. there is more than enough games for all 4 of our strikers to play. Coman will mostly be used on the left wing when we go 4-3-3, sometimes in a 2 striker partnership but those games will be rare. Morata will be our no.1 choice striker, Dybala and Mandzukic will mosty rotate for that 2nd spot next to Morata, but they will also play some games together when Morata needs rest. and yes, Morata will play "out of position" sometimes if thats what the coach is asking from him. how much money is sitting on the bench is irrelevant, whats relevant is, that you in every second you have 2 strikers on the bench that can come in and bring something to the game. and no, Zaza is not mediocre, i doubt you have seen him more than 5 times

 

[Zacheryah]

A hardworking and pretty effective CF that doesnt have "flair and fancy without endproduct"

Its only logical Cheesio wouldnt like any of it

 

[Cheesio]

we are playing ~50 games a season, even more than 50 if we reach QF/SF of CL. there is more than enough games for all 4 of our strikers to play.

Tell me how ? How would 50 games be enough for 5 strikers playing 2 spots .??

Coman will mostly be used on the left wing when we go 4-3-3, sometimes in a 2 striker partnership but those games will be rare.

So he can ask to leave next year, why not give Zaza's minutes to someone like Coman ?? we help develop him and nurtire his talent rather than buy Zaza to be a 4TH Choice striker.

Morata will be our no.1 choice striker, Dybala and Mandzukic will mosty rotate for that 2nd spot next to Morata, but they will also play some games together when Morata needs rest. and yes, Morata will play "out of position" sometimes if thats what the coach is asking from him and if.

So we should play Morata out of position just to suit other players who are inferior to him as CF, great logic there

how much money is sitting on the bench is irrelevant, whats relevant is, that you in every second you have 2 strikers on the bench that can come in and bring something to the game. and no, Zaza is not mediocre, i doubt you have seen him more than 5 times[/QUOTE]

Lol, money sitting in the bench does matter when you have areas in the starting eleven that needs improving, and i watched for 10/12 games max and i can tell you he's mediocre and he would never amount to anything special.

A hardworking and pretty effective CF that doesnt have "flair and fancy without endproduct"

Its only logical Cheesio wouldnt like any of it

Yeah just like i was right about Higuain and you are claiming that he was the best striker that ever lived

 

[alexjuventino]

Every big team has quality players on the bench, enough of this talk that we have 40m players on the bench

 

[Cheesio]

Every big team has quality players on the bench, enough of this talk that we have 40m players on the bench

Wrong, Do you know who barca have as a backup for Suarez ?? exactly, no one, for Neymar and Messi they only have Pedro, and they throw a couple of youngsters like jonathan when they are crushing other teams.

In the MF ? who they have as backups, Xavi and a couple of youngsters IIRC ( Sergio Roberto and Tiago ), Same thing for the defence, their deepest position is the GK, yet they won the treble this year.

I don't mind depth but it should comes after improving our starting eleven, don't need depth when you have more glaring needs in your starting eleven.

 

[alexjuventino]

Wrong, Do you know who barca have as a backup for Suarez ?? exactly, no one, for Neymar and Messi they only have Pedro, and they throw a couple of youngsters like jonathan when they are crushing other teams.

In the MF ? who they have as backups, Xavi and a couple of youngsters IIRC ( Sergio Roberto and Tiago ), Same thing for the defence, their deepest position is the GK, yet they won the treble this year.

I don't mind depth but it should comes after improving our starting eleven, don't need depth when you have more glaring needs in your starting eleven.

Look at madrids bench

 

[Cheesio]

Look at madrids bench

Look at Madrid Starting eleven, Real can afford players worth 20,30,40 mil on the bench. We can't

 

[alexjuventino]

Look at Madrid Starting eleven, Real can afford players worth 20,30,40 mil on the bench. We can't

Yet barca cant? They just signed turan for 40m and he will certainly be on the bench

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Back to the main point you need bench options that would be able to compete for a starting spot

 

[DUKAC]

]First of all Mandzukic is not one of the top CF to the games, he's a good player when surrounded by players that suit his style of play, similar to what Llorente was in Bilbao....[/B]
Second, Zaza is mediocre, he's in no way worth close to being worth 18 mil even in this inflated Market.
You are telling me that Mandzu and Zaza will play 60 games between them, so you are suggesting playing Morata out of position ( winger or SS ) just to give players that are inferior to him as CFs playing time.
Let's not forget that we are getting Draxler, so we will have Draxler as an AM, playing behind 2 of Morata , Zaza, Mandzu, Dybala... either way you will be leaving 40 mil on the bench in addition to one of the brightest youngsters in the world in Coman...

True.Especially there was no need of Zaza.I watched at least half of Sassuolo games.He is physical but is not worth 18 mil.Not impressed at all.

 

[Cheesio]

Yet barca cant? They just signed turan for 40m and he will certainly be on the bench

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Back to the main point you need bench options that would be able to compete for a starting spot

Yeah, and they will likely sell Pedro, and you are missing the main point here !!

 

[alexjuventino]

Yeah, and they will likely sell Pedro, and you are missing the main point here !!

You are only mad because u dont want draxler and u want götze. You keep insisting had we not bought zaza then we could have got götze and thats not how things work. You also keep insisting we dont need mandzukic, why dont we need him? U want to rely on llorente another season where he was garbage all of last?

 

[Cheesio]

You are only mad because u dont want draxler and u want götze. You keep insisting had we not bought zaza then we could have got götze and thats not how things work. You also keep insisting we dont need mandzukic, why dont we need him? U want to rely on llorente another season where he was garbage all of last?

I am not saying this because i want Gotze instead of Draxler, i rate Draxler and i think he would do good here but not right away. I don't mind Mandzukic, what i am saying is that we don't need both Mandzukic and Zaza, one would've been enough.
And please enlighten me how buying Mandzukic for 21 mil and Zaza for 18 mil doesn't effect the rest of our Mercato ???
By my simple logic if we only bought only one of these two, we would have roughly 19/20 mil available for other players, other areas we need improvement.

20 mil could be the difference between getting say an Alex Sandro and Sequeira for example.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Yeah Zaza is a mystery to me as well. Mandzukic made perfect sense as we had only one reliable CF - Morata.

That being said Zaza being another CF is unnecessary. Morata and Mandzukic for the CF spot would be enough. Dybala played at Palermo as prima punta too.

 

[alexjuventino]

I am not saying this because i want Gotze instead of Draxler, i rate Draxler and i think he would do good here but not right away. I don't mind Mandzukic, what i am saying is that we don't need both Mandzukic and Zaza, one would've been enough.
And please enlighten me how buying Mandzukic for 21 mil and Zaza for 18 mil doesn't effect the rest of our Mercato ???
By my simple logic if we only bought only one of these two, we would have roughly 19/20 mil available for other players, other areas we need improvement.

20 mil could be the difference between getting say an Alex Sandro and Sequeira for example.

Last season we entered the season with 4forwards right?

last season we had llorente, morata, tevez, giovinco, coman

Coman is obviously more of a winger than an ss. So i wouldnt even count him. As of now we have morata, mandzukic, dybala, zaza. Coman is a winger.

So if we play with a 4-3-2-1 or a 4-3-1-2

You will most likely see dybala and morata/mandzukic or possibly all 3 in one of those formations. Say morata gets injured, you know have mandzukic only( assuming we never got zaza). Not only after your options limited but now u will force a player out of position and you wont have as much tactical flexibilty in which Allegri likes to have.

And once again referring to Sandro, go watch what Marotta said about him when he was asked. He said we like the player but havw not spoken with the player nor the club. So why do u insist we could have gotten him if it wasnt for zaza?