Massimiliano Allegri (246 Viewers)

[Osman]

ahh...let's not start this

i would say though that i prefer allegri

Its not starting anything, I think its more funny that its even a touchy subject. whoever is our current coach is not automatically not better or as good, even if its the ones we are more likely to be fond of for most. Its simple really for me, and undisputed, Conte despite his limitations and stubborness, has shown in his very short career that he is a better overall coach then Allegri, while the latter is better of some aspects of the game, defenitely in overall choice is obvious for moi. And I will say so until I see enough evidence to the contrary.

 

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[Hust]

Its not starting anything, I think its more funny that its even a touchy subject. whoever is our current coach is not automatically not better or as good, even if its the ones we are more likely to be fond of for most. Its simple really for me, and undisputed, Conte despite his limitations and stubborness, has shown in his very short career that he is a better overall coach then Allegri, while the latter is better of some aspects of the game, defenitely in overall choice is obvious for moi. And I will say so until I see enough evidence to the contrary.

feisty today

I think both are good and both have their obvious limitations. Conte's most obvious is he is weaker than allegri.

(kidding)

 

[Hust]

Its not starting anything, I think its more funny that its even a touchy subject. whoever is our current coach is not automatically not better or as good, even if its the ones we are more likely to be fond of for most. Its simple really for me, and undisputed, Conte despite his limitations and stubborness, has shown in his very short career that he is a better overall coach then Allegri, while the latter is better of some aspects of the game, defenitely in overall choice is obvious for moi. And I will say so until I see enough evidence to the contrary.

feisty today

I think both are good and both have their obvious limitations. Conte's most obvious is he is weaker than allegri.

(kidding)

 

[Osman]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

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i would say this though

i get much more out of the time spent watching allegri's juve than conte's..trust when i say everymatch i am 75% supposed to fakefan...even reading allegri's pre and post match comments i leave feeling satisfied and im more au courant with what goes on with the team....or at least what he tries to do with the team...

I dont get your first sentence, what do you get more out of with current team? But yes Allegri is more much direct and informative communicator publically, no charades, flat out says what he thinks and what his goals and opinions are before and after games. Pretty much a regular straight talker.

 

[Osman]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

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i would say this though

i get much more out of the time spent watching allegri's juve than conte's..trust when i say everymatch i am 75% supposed to fakefan...even reading allegri's pre and post match comments i leave feeling satisfied and im more au courant with what goes on with the team....or at least what he tries to do with the team...

I dont get your first sentence, what do you get more out of with current team? But yes Allegri is more much direct and informative communicator publically, no charades, flat out says what he thinks and what his goals and opinions are before and after games. Pretty much a regular straight talker.

 

[Hust]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

I've always acknowledged the good things he did as they are sorta undeniable especially considering the trophy cabinet grew annually for 3 year.

Aside from the obvious strenghts, here are my main beefs:
-352 and reluctance to change
-weakness in CL (again ties back to the formation)
-bitching via media when he didn't get what he wanted
-the way he left. What shit way to leave.

 

[Hust]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

I've always acknowledged the good things he did as they are sorta undeniable especially considering the trophy cabinet grew annually for 3 year.

Aside from the obvious strenghts, here are my main beefs:
-352 and reluctance to change
-weakness in CL (again ties back to the formation)
-bitching via media when he didn't get what he wanted
-the way he left. What shit way to leave.

 

[Ocelot]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

Also compare how people talked about Allegri when he wasn't our coach vs. now. I'm not saying that I agree with what was said back then, by far not, but it just shows the obvious hypcocrisy.

 

[Ocelot]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

Also compare how people talked about Allegri when he wasn't our coach vs. now. I'm not saying that I agree with what was said back then, by far not, but it just shows the obvious hypcocrisy.

 

[Hust]

Also compare how people talked about Allegri when he wasn't our coach vs. now. I'm not saying that I agree with what was said back then, by far not, but it just shows the obvious hypcocrisy.

I think its really hard to like any coach at the Milan teams especially when you have to hear Moratti or Galiani whine all the time. We see the genuine difference in class between the clubs though when Allegri came here IMO. The coaches tend to feed off their board.

 

[Hust]

Also compare how people talked about Allegri when he wasn't our coach vs. now. I'm not saying that I agree with what was said back then, by far not, but it just shows the obvious hypcocrisy.

I think its really hard to like any coach at the Milan teams especially when you have to hear Moratti or Galiani whine all the time. We see the genuine difference in class between the clubs though when Allegri came here IMO. The coaches tend to feed off their board.

 

[Osman]

The only two things that bothered me with Conte are your last two points. Bitching via media is fine if you do it in certain volume, but he overdid it completely (I also severely dislike Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Garcia for this kind of stupidity), and became directly confrontional with the management almost. His hot blooded and impulsive nature took over pretty much. The way he left, yes, thats pretty much a stain in his stellar and legendary work with us both as player and coach.


The tactical stuff, it annoyed me how set he became in his ways, but the results speaks for itself in how pretty much dominant we were with it. So he was doing alot of it right, its just lacked the flexibility to adapt to different scenarios, thats all. I can accept that.

The CL thing, total BS for me, he became too self-absorbed and defeatist in attitude latter on, but I would say its just circusmtances, it happens, part of is tactics, but we did very well in first CL season, 2nd one was just unfortunate mess, and not a overall stain in his ability as coach. Seen top teams struggle in group stages before (especially ones that have the mental handicap in Europe as we do, plus inexperienced squad in this level, and yes also a young coach who refused to adapt tactically to this stage). The main issue with that was the pressure he himself and the club set on itself for Europe. Became almost self-fullfilling prophecy, to talk the talk at first, then play down the shortcomings and talk about how far we are from the rest of the big guys (main culprit is Conte, his ego/personality is a hard one in this way). But performance wise, we were pretty average/mediocre for most of this CL season too, struggling vs Greeks and at times Swedish amateurs (for 70 mins, took a Carlitos who finally woke up in Europe). We just learned from it and got the job done eventually. Just as we did in first CL season. Allegri is more experienced coach, but its kinda silly notion to say he is better CL coach just because of last seasons mess.


Main and only issue with me with Conte remains the huge gulf in goals and ambitions there was with the management enough for him to not be able to work with them anymore. Rest of it is just gravvy. Allegri is doing well considering it all, but never forget who laid the foundations for this well oiled machine, very ideal set up for a new coach to take the reigns in IMO, even if I notice and appriciate the changes Allegri came with alot. But end of the day, the differences in the coaches remains for me, and that is if Conte was able to set his stubborn personality and somewhat of an ego aside, and come to understanding with the goals of the club/management, then yes I would fucking LOVE to have seen him remain at the helm, it still kinda hurts to not have him here, at least for me. Maybe not for most of you who somehow grown to dislike him so quickly, even if yeah how he left is VERY disagreeable, it doesnt change as much as most of you pretend it did in terms of what he was part of making.

 

[Osman]

The only two things that bothered me with Conte are your last two points. Bitching via media is fine if you do it in certain volume, but he overdid it completely (I also severely dislike Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Garcia for this kind of stupidity), and became directly confrontional with the management almost. His hot blooded and impulsive nature took over pretty much. The way he left, yes, thats pretty much a stain in his stellar and legendary work with us both as player and coach.


The tactical stuff, it annoyed me how set he became in his ways, but the results speaks for itself in how pretty much dominant we were with it. So he was doing alot of it right, its just lacked the flexibility to adapt to different scenarios, thats all. I can accept that.

The CL thing, total BS for me, he became too self-absorbed and defeatist in attitude latter on, but I would say its just circusmtances, it happens, part of is tactics, but we did very well in first CL season, 2nd one was just unfortunate mess, and not a overall stain in his ability as coach. Seen top teams struggle in group stages before (especially ones that have the mental handicap in Europe as we do, plus inexperienced squad in this level, and yes also a young coach who refused to adapt tactically to this stage). The main issue with that was the pressure he himself and the club set on itself for Europe. Became almost self-fullfilling prophecy, to talk the talk at first, then play down the shortcomings and talk about how far we are from the rest of the big guys (main culprit is Conte, his ego/personality is a hard one in this way). But performance wise, we were pretty average/mediocre for most of this CL season too, struggling vs Greeks and at times Swedish amateurs (for 70 mins, took a Carlitos who finally woke up in Europe). We just learned from it and got the job done eventually. Just as we did in first CL season. Allegri is more experienced coach, but its kinda silly notion to say he is better CL coach just because of last seasons mess.


Main and only issue with me with Conte remains the huge gulf in goals and ambitions there was with the management enough for him to not be able to work with them anymore. Rest of it is just gravvy. Allegri is doing well considering it all, but never forget who laid the foundations for this well oiled machine, very ideal set up for a new coach to take the reigns in IMO, even if I notice and appriciate the changes Allegri came with alot. But end of the day, the differences in the coaches remains for me, and that is if Conte was able to set his stubborn personality and somewhat of an ego aside, and come to understanding with the goals of the club/management, then yes I would fucking LOVE to have seen him remain at the helm, it still kinda hurts to not have him here, at least for me. Maybe not for most of you who somehow grown to dislike him so quickly, even if yeah how he left is VERY disagreeable, it doesnt change as much as most of you pretend it did in terms of what he was part of making.

 

[mukumsplau]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

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I dont get your first sentence, what do you get more out of with current team? But yes Allegri is more much direct and informative communicator publically, no charades, flat out says what he thinks and what his goals and opinions are before and after games. Pretty much a regular straight talker.

what i mean is in the two hours i spend to watch a match i am much much less frustrated watching us play....for me personally....too many matches for my liking under conte we were jus so dire...we got the wins etc but damn it was pain on my eyes...and conte usually rubbed salt on my wounds saying the team played great etc....there are times when we play garbage under allegri...alot less in my view...and the garbage smells less foul and allegri and he usually says yes we played shit and points out where

 

[mukumsplau]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

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I dont get your first sentence, what do you get more out of with current team? But yes Allegri is more much direct and informative communicator publically, no charades, flat out says what he thinks and what his goals and opinions are before and after games. Pretty much a regular straight talker.

what i mean is in the two hours i spend to watch a match i am much much less frustrated watching us play....for me personally....too many matches for my liking under conte we were jus so dire...we got the wins etc but damn it was pain on my eyes...and conte usually rubbed salt on my wounds saying the team played great etc....there are times when we play garbage under allegri...alot less in my view...and the garbage smells less foul and allegri and he usually says yes we played shit and points out where

 

[ALC]

We were in Serie B man and we had an incredibly incompetent management team for 3 years. Since Agnelli took over, how much did we spend and how does that compare to the results of other teams that spend around our level? I doubt anyone achieved the kind of footballing success and financial growth that we did over the last few years.

We had to get a lot of players, not to mention that a large number of them didn't work out. There was a huge turnover.

This can happen when you go for those in between players that either work out or don't. Aka martinez, krasic, pepe, bonucci, ogbonna, pereyra, isla, asamoah, etc. a lot of them we still have but look at how many players we bought under marotta aren't with us anymore.

I found an article from August 2013 that says we spent 136 million euros since Marotta got here

 

[ALC]

We were in Serie B man and we had an incredibly incompetent management team for 3 years. Since Agnelli took over, how much did we spend and how does that compare to the results of other teams that spend around our level? I doubt anyone achieved the kind of footballing success and financial growth that we did over the last few years.

We had to get a lot of players, not to mention that a large number of them didn't work out. There was a huge turnover.

This can happen when you go for those in between players that either work out or don't. Aka martinez, krasic, pepe, bonucci, ogbonna, pereyra, isla, asamoah, etc. a lot of them we still have but look at how many players we bought under marotta aren't with us anymore.

I found an article from August 2013 that says we spent 136 million euros since Marotta got here

 

[Xperd]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

 

[Xperd]

Its all unnecessary, because its like some or most of you have become completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious strenghts and acheivements of someone who made us a force again.


Yes Conte left in bad terms and was tactically stubborn, but that shouldnt make you for some reason choose to only remember the minor negatives and completely sidestep everything that was pretty great with him and our team BECAUSE of him.

 

[Vlad]

I am arguing with the average tuzzer right now and so your opinions of 4-5 years ago are what concerns me. I seriously doubt that back then you thought we were making two "brilliant" signings. If you did, then I'll bow to you for having such an amazing eye for under-performing talent.

Agnelli, Marotta and even Conte himself said we won 2 years ahead of schedule and that they never dreamed of these results. But you ofcoarse knew it was going to happen... after all you knew we were buying two world class players that just struggled for a season with injuries and their clubs were completely blind to their imminent football explosion.

Was big fan of Pirlo in his Milan days, kinda always had been a bit jealous of their mid with Seedorf, Pirlo, Kaka and Gatuso. Never discarded players after a bad season or two, especially as in his case there was an injury involved. Our interest in him enthused me. Was curious to see whether he'll regain his old form back, as Pirlo in his prime was a teriffic footballer.

Barzagli was promissing young CB while at Palermo, showed load of potential, his positioning, tackling and ability to cope rather well in 1 on 1 situations were of the highest standard. Had amazing season in Germany, consequently adding one title to his name as protagonist. Later on as the club started selling their best players and lost its coach it kind of went downhill for them. I gave him benefit of a doubt having in mind that he was once top CB for German champs and that he was still fairly young as far as defenders are concerned to make an impact here.

Both of these players achieved something significant prior to coming here, especially in Pirlo's case and certainly couldn't be labeled as nobodies. As much as Conte helped them to regain their old form back, form is temporary, but class is permanent. If these two lads didn't have it in them no coach in the world could make them perform to WC levels. They were defo interesting signings for any GM to make. Low risk high reward.

And yes, Inter's current squad is at least at the same level as our old 2011 squad.

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Conte: thanks for the 3 titles.

Allegri: thanks for changing to a more exciting formation and a hopeful 4th title.

I'll give credit where it's due and kudos to Allegri for having a wonderful season so far. But he needs to win few trophies here before we start comparing the two and feel grateful to him. Only formation change isn't gonna cut it.