Massimiliano Allegri (264 Viewers)

[Lion]

We aren't going to magically get better in the attacking phase. He's had a year and half to get that in order, has failed miserably, so this is how we're going to play because it's all we know how to do. There aren't even a string of matches you can point to where one can say wow, we really played well going forward. So folks are lying to themselves if you're hoping for something to change. We all know it won't and this is our football.

it's the grinta argument for those delusional people. funny how there isn't any grinta in CL eh?

 

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[maxi]

We won several derby games before the break against inter and Lazio among others. I consider them rather big teams. When you put things into perspective we are on a 7 game winning streak with the best defensive record in a decade. Several of our key players will be returning soon. Things dont look so bleak to me. Id say bestowing him with more managerial power is exactly what we need. Forza Maxx, do your magic now.

Dude seriously? How can you be this so short-sighted? 7 wins and no visible signs of any improvement in the way we play. This current form might get you just about past the likes of Cremonese but they wont make you UCL finalists/9x consecutive italian champions anytime soon. Maybe you're happy with that level. Idk. Point is, you're getting far too carried away with this 7/7 streak crap.

 

[Vlad]

Dude seriously? How can you be this so short-sighted? 7 wins and no visible signs of any improvement in the way we play. This current form might get you just about past the likes of Cremonese but they wont make you UCL finalists/9x consecutive italian champions anytime soon. Maybe you're happy with that level. Idk. Point is, you're getting far too carried away with this 7/7 streak crap.

Funny because hes the guy that took us 2x to finals after decade and a half of irrelevancy in Europe. And 5 out of those 9 titles were won with Max. I am happy with that level. 7/7 is just a fact that bothers you. If we fired Allegri after horrific start, no complains here. But suggesting he gets booted after turning the season around is ludicrous.

 

[maxi]

Funny because hes the guy that took us 2x to finals after decade and a half of irrelevancy in Europe. And 5 out of those 9 titles were won with Max. I am happy with that level. 7/7 is just a fact that bothers you. If we fired Allegri after horrific start, no complains here. But suggesting he gets booted after turning the season around is ludicrous.

How many years ago was that now? This appeal to history fallacy is ridiculous and is the sort of rhetoric you'd expect from a Milan fan. He was hired to correct Sarri and Pirlo's errors and not only did he fail to deliver but he has set us back in our development too. His defensive record before this miraculous streak was one of the worst since Del Neri, so it's only right that this run of wins make up for it. Doesnt magically make him an amazing elite tier manager again. The scorelines fool you too easily.

 

[s4tch]

...Our squad sucks, but it's better than this...

most certainly this

this was the bottom line for our last few seasons, and this is probably going to be the tl;dr for this season too. which is both sad and unacceptable

there are only a handful of people currently working at juventus who could have found a place at the same club 5-6 years ago. allegri 2.0 isn't one of them.

and yeah, 7 wins in a row is certainly good. we stopped conceding goals, again, very good. half of the team just returned from the world cup, they must be tired af and not too motivated. we were missing important players once again. a win is a win. i get it and i agree. and i wouldn't give a fuck if today's match was an isolated case of playing without ideas and getting away with it.

but this became the norm for jj. i don't want tiki taka, i don't want italianoball, i don't want high pressing, i don't miss anything specific. i'm easy to please with identity, character, the willingness to win, so basically with solid tactics and pragmatic, purpose driven football which works reliably. too bad jj has none of the above.

i still hope that miraculously it will start clicking. yeah, the inda (2nd half) and lazio games were nice, i enjoyed those. i have no idea why we can't play regularly like we did on those occasions. this is by far the weakest squad of the last decade, but it still has potential to be better than today or vs hellas, toro or lecce. and that's mostly on the coach.

ffs why can't we make the lazio game our norm. we didn't do anything special, we were just sharper. it's all on preparation. ehh

 

[U Picciriddu]

I don’t care so much about how we played. Maybe my opinion is softening. We scraped a win and not much has changed regarding our gameplay, but as things stand now we just went trough a directional change which isn’t even finished yet. I don’t think that asking for Allegri’s head is in our interests now.

If we look to the top 4, Lazio lost so we have a 4 points advantage over them and Roma.

It’s safe to say that injuries once again destroyed our season and if we reach the end phase of the season with again so many injuries he has to go.

I want that we reach the top 4 with our best players not injured and meanwhile playing the youth as much as possible. Besides that I hope that we close the mercato with profit

There’s no way our board is able to make major changes or transfers so let’s just make the best out of a shitty situation by winning even if it’s by ugly means. At least we’ve won with 5 guys who didn’t even play in Serie A a year ago

 

[Vlad]

How many years ago was that now? This appeal to history fallacy is ridiculous and is the sort of rhetoric you'd expect from a Milan fan. He was hired to correct Sarri and Pirlo's errors and not only did he fail to deliver but he has set us back in our development too. His defensive record before this miraculous streak was one of the worst since Del Neri, so it's only right that this run of wins make up for it. Doesnt magically make him an amazing elite tier manager again. The scorelines fool you too easily.

He never stopped being one. It takes time to correct the mess left by previous managers and management. How this season ends will decide it for me if he should continue past this season. Id rather be fooled by results than by style of play. I couldnt care less how much possession opponent has, if they 'outplay' us as long as we take 3 pts. In the end thats all that matters, not someone's feelings or grudges.

 

[IlCapitano]

The most important thing now is to make winning a habit again. To instill that mentality and belief.

The improvement in play will come with time, with players coming back, with more quality.

No, it will never be as pretty or as high tempo as the outers want but it will be as good as it was 3-4 years ago I'm sure.

 

[juve123]

The most important thing now is to make winning a habit again. To instill that mentality and belief.

The improvement in play will come with time, with players coming back, with more quality.

No, it will never be as pretty or as high tempo as the outers want but it will be as good as it was 3-4 years ago I'm sure.

And it has been nearly three years back in 2019 when we had such long winning run so it's the small steps before we regain our domestic success again.

 

[U Picciriddu]

The most important thing now is to make winning a habit again. To instill that mentality and belief.

The improvement in play will come with time, with players coming back, with more quality.

No, it will never be as pretty or as high tempo as the outers want but it will be as good as it was 3-4 years ago I'm sure.

Hopefully we’re a few weeks away from this:

Di Maria/Chiesa - Vlahovic
Kostic/Iling - Rabiot/Pogba - Loca - Fagioli/Miretti - Cuads/Barbieri
Sandro - Bremer - Danilo
Tek

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria
Pogba - Loca - Fagioli
Kostic - Bremer - Danilo - Cuadrado
Tek

+ Kean, Riccio, Perin, Milik and Gatti​

We need a fit team now. Really our team isn’t that bad

 

[IlCapitano]

Hopefully we’re a few weeks away from this:

Di Maria/Chiesa - Vlahovic
Kostic/Iling - Rabiot/Pogba - Loca - Fagioli/Miretti - Cuads/Barbieri
Sandro - Bremer - Danilo
Tek

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria
Pogba - Loca - Fagioli
Kostic - Bremer - Danilo - Cuadrado
Tek

+ Kean, Riccio, Perin, Milik and Gatti​

We need a fit team now. Really our team isn’t that bad

Hopefully we go back to 4 atb when/if Chiesa and Di Maria are fully healthy. No interest in inventing positions and sacrificing them.

 

[Valerio.]

stop dreaming!
we're kidding ourselves since August about this! we'll never have all those players fit at the same time for more than a week!
NOT HAPPENING! IT WILL NEVER BE REALITY!

 

[maxi]

The improvement in play will come with time, with players coming back, with more quality.

No they arent. When one recovers, another one breaks. The cycle just repeats itself as it pretty much always has done with Allegri and his same useless staff here

 

[Hydde]

Missed the game today sadly,

what was in the menu?

PD: It seems it was more prehistoric kickball.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Because it means absolutely nothing when you put it into perspective. We can laugh and joke all we want about Allegri's "greatness" at achieving these kind of cortomuso results but this wont hold up in the long term and certainly not when we come up against bigger clubs domestically or in Europe. It is literally the definition of hanging by the thread. If we want to see growth then the solution is firing him, not by bestowing more managerial power to him

We've already seen it happen in embarrassing fashion two years in a row.

 

[Post Ironic]

We've already seen it happen in embarrassing fashion two years in a row.

Two? We’ve been embarrassed 4 straight years in CL by shit teams.

The last time we won a KO round was against Atletico in 2018-19 before choosing to hire that cancerous clown, Sarri. Since then we went out to Lyon, Porto, Villarreal, and then group stage to Benfica. It’s a joke.

 

[Clamarc]

So much hate for Sarri, the last coach who won Scudetto

 

[Hydde]

7 clean sheets in a row is great. Our play in the final third is a complete disaster. Unless he fixes that I’m still on team #street

Thinking about it, is beautiful how you saw the light and made a total U turn, from a robotic allegroid to someone who can see whats going on without being bias or ignorant to the truth.

navigating on this thread you could see yourself some good years ago replying to my posts:

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/massimiliano-“bam-bam”-allegri.40977/page-2005#post-5872127

That right there is the example of a blind cultist worshipping shit football. Not anymore.

 

[Nejc]

Lmao at talking about “turning the season around” after a group stage CL exit

 

[singus]

The only explanation I have for vlad, ilcappuccino and a few others still throating themselves to death, is that we have driven them so far out on Tuz that its their only option left, to restore some reputation in social life. They dont care how we play, they dont care if we need freekick-specialist Milik to save us in dying minutes of a match against a team we should creme on easily, they dont care if the stands are empty, if the club is bleeding fans, eyeballs, revenue or reputation. They dont care if we house a collection of random cripples and unlikeable players. As long as the deteriorating italian bald man is in charge, a random man whom they dont know, who is not any rolemodel, but they just happened to let them penetrate on so badly, that its now embarrassing to surrender with nothing in return. Not sure if this falls under stockholm syndrome or not, Im not really a psychologist.

We are blessed to be able to observe this unfold and develop on a weekly basis here. Thank you.

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Lmao at talking about “turning the season around” after a group stage CL exit

We are currently on a streak to win last years CL as well.