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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,764
I think like many people covid really fucked up his mental health
I think he stopped giving fucks after he was sacked the first time. Probably didn't try to keep up with the game at all and was living in semi-retirement.

Now the game has passed him by and he has a nice juicy contract so he's sticking to what he knows and to hell with everyone else. Probably will retire after Juve.

Dude probably looks forward to the day off after each fixture so he can head down to Sardinia on his yacht, pop a blue pill and smash some middle-aged pussy, soak up some sun and read the papers, laughing his ass off at how pissed off everyone is with him.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,792
Allegri went full idiot in the post match press conference. He literally said that Fagioli lost time in his progression due to playing out of position, even though he was one of the best players in Serie B. He said that he shouldn’t roam around the pitch and should stick in front of the defense, that he only and exclusively can play as a regista and that he doesn’t understand his role good enough yet.

Its absolutely unbelievable the amount of shit he’s been saying lately, from saying that going out of the CL isn’t a failure to destroying a kid who just scored a amazing goal.
Nah he's so good with the youth players, or something like that.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,802
I think he stopped giving fucks after he was sacked the first time. Probably didn't try to keep up with the game at all and was living in semi-retirement.

Now the game has passed him by and he has a nice juicy contract so he's sticking to what he knows and to hell with everyone else. Probably will retire after Juve.

Dude probably looks forward to the day off after each fixture so he can head down to Sardinia on his yacht, pop a blue pill and smash some middle-aged pussy, soak up some sun and read the papers, laughing his ass off at how pissed off everyone is with him.

I think it's more to do with ego. He's overcompensating to the point of never questioning himself and always blaming others for not getting his "genius".
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,947
Pedulla didn't like the term 'bastardised' that Allegri used, but generally it was just another moan from someone about him not using Fagioli until now.

I can't really tell from what Allegri said whether he was being specific to the goal or in general, "he made a movement". But both coach and player agreed that his best position is as regista. Personally I don't agree and think he could also have success as a kind of floating CM/AM also like a Modric.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,802
Pedulla didn't like the term 'bastardised' that Allegri used, but generally it was just another moan from someone about him not using Fagioli until now.

I can't really tell from what Allegri said whether he was being specific to the goal or in general, "he made a movement". But both coach and player agreed that his best position is as regista. Personally I don't agree and think he could also have success as a kind of floating CM/AM also like a Modric.
Everyone can see that but mister
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
Pedulla didn't like the term 'bastardised' that Allegri used, but generally it was just another moan from someone about him not using Fagioli until now.

I can't really tell from what Allegri said whether he was being specific to the goal or in general, "he made a movement". But both coach and player agreed that his best position is as regista. Personally I don't agree and think he could also have success as a kind of floating CM/AM also like a Modric.
Tbh I think that Fagioli’s hands were tied during his statement. Imagine being told that you’re a regista, finally you play and then obviously he won’t say anything other than the position Max promises him. Would be suicidal if he stated that he likes to play more advanced, wether it be true or not.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,947
Tbh I think that Fagioli’s hands were tied during his statement. Imagine being told that you’re a regista, finally you play and then obviously he won’t say anything other than the position Max promises him. Would be suicidal if he stated that he likes to play more advanced, wether it be true or not.
This is more than a leap. Like I said above, he's shown me enough that he can play CM from the times I've seen him at Primavera, U23, Cremonese, etc, but that doesn't mean that because he scores a great goal it is automatically his best position and he is no longer better as regista. People who don't watch players seem to make their minds up very quickly over a small sample size. Might be that it's the truth he is far better at regista, but he should be given opportunities to play in different positions.

https://sport.virgilio.it/braida-in...e-ideale-e-regista-davanti-alla-difesa-782410

Braida sees similarities with Pirlo moving from a more advanced role to a playmaker, which is essentially what he has been doing over the past few seasons. Before that I've seen him as a mezz'ala, box to box, AM and DLP.

I don't like the idea of him being pigeon-holed, and tbh that would be very unlike Allegri, as he has moved players around into different positions during his spells here.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Tbh I think that Fagioli’s hands were tied during his statement. Imagine being told that you’re a regista, finally you play and then obviously he won’t say anything other than the position Max promises him. Would be suicidal if he stated that he likes to play more advanced, wether it be true or not.
Fagioli has played all over the midfield. As a DM/Regista, as an AM, and as more of CM #8 in midfield 3. Both last year at Cremonese and for the U-23. It’s not really a shock that he might consider his best position to be in front of the defense as a Regista in midfield trio or part of a midfield 2. Or that Allegri would think this. Not sure why Tuz is getting so butthurt about it.

Get butthurt that Max had him rotting on the bench til now, with lazy useless twats like McPotter and Rabiot starting, when we were in dire need of his energy and motivation. That’s the real problem here. It’s absurd he hasn’t been given real minutes yet.

For what it’s worth, my own personal opinion from watching him is that I’d like to see him as a floating CM/AM à la Modric as @JuveJay wrote. Not that Modric really acts as an outright AM ever. More so controlling play from the centre of the pitch.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,037
Tbh I think that Fagioli’s hands were tied during his statement. Imagine being told that you’re a regista, finally you play and then obviously he won’t say anything other than the position Max promises him. Would be suicidal if he stated that he likes to play more advanced, wether it be true or not.
100% this. Everyone knows the anti-coach always has to play with a regista, the boy is crying for playing time.
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
This is more than a leap. Like I said above, he's shown me enough that he can play CM from the times I've seen him at Primavera, U23, Cremonese, etc, but that doesn't mean that because he scores a great goal it is automatically his best position and he is no longer better as regista. People who don't watch players seem to make their minds up very quickly over a small sample size. Might be that it's the truth he is far better at regista, but he should be given opportunities to play in different positions.

https://sport.virgilio.it/braida-in...e-ideale-e-regista-davanti-alla-difesa-782410

Braida sees similarities with Pirlo moving from a more advanced role to a playmaker, which is essentially what he has been doing over the past few seasons. Before that I've seen him as a mezz'ala, box to box, AM and DLP.

I don't like the idea of him being pigeon-holed, and tbh that would be very unlike Allegri, as he has moved players around into different positions during his spells here.
Fagioli has played all over the midfield. As a DM/Regista, as an AM, and as more of CM #8 in midfield 3. Both last year at Cremonese and for the U-23. It’s not really a shock that he might consider his best position to be in front of the defense as a Regista in midfield trio or part of a midfield 2. Or that Allegri would think this. Not sure why Tuz is getting so butthurt about it.

Get butthurt that Max had him rotting on the bench til now, with lazy useless twats like McPotter and Rabiot starting, when we were in dire need of his energy and motivation. That’s the real problem here. It’s absurd he hasn’t been given real minutes yet.

For what it’s worth, my own personal opinion from watching him is that I’d like to see him as a floating CM/AM à la Modric as @JuveJay wrote. Not that Modric really acts as an outright AM ever. More so controlling play from the centre of the pitch.
For me it felt more that Allegri wanted to somehow justify that he hasn’t been playing by saying that he’s a regista and should learn to understand his role better. It’s unnecessary to say.

It might be Fagioli’s favourite position, he said in a pivot. We don’t know the truth, but as said I certainly don’t expect him to go against Max or his will, wouldn’t be a very smart move if he did so.

Anyway looking to his characteristics, we could use someone capable of playing as LCM or even RCM, we gladly played Loca out of position for the team so why wouldn’t it be possible with Fagioli.

I think in we mostly agree tho. Hope that he will be used as a CM indeed.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Fagioli has played all over the midfield. As a DM/Regista, as an AM, and as more of CM #8 in midfield 3. Both last year at Cremonese and for the U-23. It’s not really a shock that he might consider his best position to be in front of the defense as a Regista in midfield trio or part of a midfield 2. Or that Allegri would think this. Not sure why Tuz is getting so butthurt about it.

Get butthurt that Max had him rotting on the bench til now, with lazy useless twats like McPotter and Rabiot starting, when we were in dire need of his energy and motivation. That’s the real problem here. It’s absurd he hasn’t been given real minutes yet.

For what it’s worth, my own personal opinion from watching him is that I’d like to see him as a floating CM/AM à la Modric as @JuveJay wrote. Not that Modric really acts as an outright AM ever. More so controlling play from the centre of the pitch.
:tup:

"Till now"...that will change when (if) injuries/suspensions change.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Allegri went full idiot in the post match press conference. He literally said that Fagioli lost time in his progression due to playing out of position, even though he was one of the best players in Serie B. He said that he shouldn’t roam around the pitch and should stick in front of the defense, that he only and exclusively can play as a regista and that he doesn’t understand his role good enough yet.

Its absolutely unbelievable the amount of shit he’s been saying lately, from saying that going out of the CL isn’t a failure to destroying a kid who just scored a amazing goal.
A has been who needs to get booted ASAP.

At thispoint is not about of gameplay and performances...now is about Allegri doing massive damage to the Club. Its not even funny anymore.

That is the level of this coach

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I think he stopped giving fucks after he was sacked the first time. Probably didn't try to keep up with the game at all and was living in semi-retirement.

Now the game has passed him by and he has a nice juicy contract so he's sticking to what he knows and to hell with everyone else. Probably will retire after Juve.

Dude probably looks forward to the day off after each fixture so he can head down to Sardinia on his yacht, pop a blue pill and smash some middle-aged pussy, soak up some sun and read the papers, laughing his ass off at how pissed off everyone is with him.
This is the only logic explanation about his gameplay and his decitions, and yes he will most likely retire after Juve with a fat paycheck because no way in hell this man can take an important team to glory. he is just terrible

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Tbh I think that Fagioli’s hands were tied during his statement. Imagine being told that you’re a regista, finally you play and then obviously he won’t say anything other than the position Max promises him. Would be suicidal if he stated that he likes to play more advanced, wether it be true or not.
Exactly.

He needs to go with the waves. At this point, after he got some minutes, it would be idiotic to go against The tyrant.

What he needs to do now is chill, work and do what he can until max is streeted. Otherwise The Mr. will freeze him on the bench
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
I googled on his training methodes and found this. I want answers for the injuries
Juventus's new season starts with an old coach, an Allegri who knows the Juventus environment by heart, but who has decided to propose a substantial change that we will be able to notice already from the first tests that will see his new Juventus engaged. There is no mention of different form or tactics, what seems to have changed considerably with the Allegri 2.0 is the rhythm in training

In these very first days of the Juventus meeting, in view of the next season, the players have found a coach with a different attitude, defined by the Gazzetta dello Sport as a real iron sergeant. We are talking about a serene Allegri who, however, asks his players for grueling rhythms in training, changing the way he faces the usual preparation

In these two years of absence from the football fields, Allegri has had the opportunity, together with his inseparable staff, to study new training methods, new strategies to be adopted for his new team. As soon as the Juventus bench came back, the Livorno coach had no doubts, but those who expected the usual Allegri made a big mistake.

A notable change of gear also witnessed by some of his players who, right at the Gazzetta dello Sport, told how the rhythms in training are really exhausting, exhausting and the tiredness turns out to be really great.

A new method that has as its main objective the speed of play, the players will have to run a lot with the ball on the field, not give respite to the opponents, drawing a lot of inspiration from English football. Frenzied rhythms for this Juventus that we will be able to start seeing already on July 24 with the first friendly match that will certainly not be against Milan, but we are looking for a lower-caliber opponent in order to evaluate the first days of work.
According to the report, some players do not understand Allegri's training choices as the coach does not provide explanations when they are snubbed by the starting XI.

There are also concerns regarding training methods. Juventus players run a lot during training but maintain a low intensity, which is also reflected on the pitch. Most believe that the training retreat will not solve their problems. On the other hand, there are some things that Allegri and his staff should change in their approach to change things.
 

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