Massimiliano Allegri (168 Viewers)

[Hist]

You still need to win those games. Imo getting consistently good results against the smallest teams just shows how we have improved. We previously struggled to put together a good run of results and way too frequently lost or drew against those smaller teams, that seems to have changed now. We've easily been in league winning form in terms of results for the past 4 months or so.

These times coincide with the real slowing down of our competitors too. I don't know if 12 W in 18 Games is league winning form on its own. But over all I agree I am glad we are picking up these points and that the others really struggled.

 

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[Strickland]

Absolute nonsense. This is the worst squad we’ve had since Delneri times and if you can’t see that you have something wrong with you. It’s actually a worse squad than Pirlo had last year too.

It might very well be the worst squad since Delneri times (if not its really close), but not only RUSs point is not an absolute nonsense as you claim, its pretty clear to see for most that even with this squad Juventus should be fighting for Scudetto.

Milan, Napoli and Inter have been in the Scudetto race all season, all of them still are and obviously neither Napoli nor Milan have better teams than Juventus (tbh I dont like or rate Inter much either, but at least they have more than a handful high quality players) and none of those teams are on some blistering pace thats impossible to match. Yet at no point in the season we truly entered the Scudetto race, a couple of times we were a few positive results away from that and it never materialized.

Obviously this season isnt a success, Top4 isnt an achievement with this team, its bare minimum. Id give Max continuity and fix at least some problems with the squad, God knows theres room for improvement, but its possible to not ask for Allegri's head and still admit he couldve done better.

 

[Mokku]

Lots of mental gymnastics going on here so let me ask a few questions:

Vlahovic performed better at Fiorentina than at Juventus so far this season so does Fiorentina have a better attack than Juventus? If yes, why are Juventus above Fiorentina in the table - is it down to Allegri? If Fiorentina had Vlahovic, De Ligt, and Allegri, would they be in 4th spot now?

 

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Hes gone mad

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Its ok Rus. Your obsession is quite cute

He’s lost his mind. He’s making 100+ anti-Allegri posts a day in a dozen different threads.

 

[zizinho]

It might very well be the worst squad since Delneri times (if not its really close), but not only RUSs point is not an absolute nonsense as you claim, its pretty clear to see for most that even with this squad Juventus should be fighting for Scudetto.

Milan, Napoli and Inter have been in the Scudetto race all season, all of them still are and obviously neither Napoli nor Milan have better teams than Juventus (tbh I dont like or rate Inter much either, but at least they have more than a handful high quality players) and none of those teams are on some blistering pace thats impossible to match. Yet at no point in the season we truly entered the Scudetto race, a couple of times we were a few positive results away from that and it never materialized.

Obviously this season isnt a success, Top4 isnt an achievement with this team, its bare minimum. Id give Max continuity and fix at least some problems with the squad, God knows theres room for improvement, but its possible to not ask for Allegri's head and still admit he couldve done better.

The problem was the first half of the season. We lost Ronaldo one game into the season and our goal scoring declined by a lot. We scored about at the same rate as last seasons team, minus the Ronaldo non penalty goals. And Allegri came in with the mindset of fixing the team from the back, so naturally we looked toothless. We dropped some points we shouldn't/aren't usually dropping. And that meant when we hit our good stretch, we were already too far away from the top. We actually closed the gap quite well, and had we won the derby vs inter, we'd be right in the scudetto race.

That being said, we should wrap the season around by winning Coppa, finishing top4, and then look at next season. I think we will be competing for the scudetto, even if the rebuild will take another few years. CL will depend on draw

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

The problem was the first half of the season. We lost Ronaldo one game into the season and our goal scoring declined by a lot. We scored about at the same rate as last seasons team, minus the Ronaldo non penalty goals. And Allegri came in with the mindset of fixing the team from the back, so naturally we looked toothless. We dropped some points we shouldn't/aren't usually dropping. And that meant when we hit our good stretch, we were already too far away from the top. We actually closed the gap quite well, and had we won the derby vs inter, we'd be right in the scudetto race.

That being said, we should wrap the season around by winning Coppa, finishing top4, and then look at next season. I think we will be competing for the scudetto, even if the rebuild will take another few years. CL will depend on draw

We scored goals in all matches except the Empoli game, losing Ronaldo is one thing, formation, selected players for starting 11, build-up play and defending is another thing and have nothing to do with Ronaldo's departure

 

[zizinho]

We scored goals in all matches except the Empoli game, losing Ronaldo is one thing, formation, selected players for starting 11, build-up play and defending is another thing and have nothing to do with Ronaldo's departure

At one point, our goals per game this season was equal to goals (minus Ronaldo's non PK goals) per game last season. When you consider Ronaldo scored I think 23 non PK goals, you see we were on pace for ~54 goals for the whole season. We still might barely finish above that number.

Ronaldo was huge and influential, simply losing him one game into the season with no replacement is a huge blow

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

At one point, our goals per game this season was equal to goals (minus Ronaldo's non PK goals) per game last season. When you consider Ronaldo scored I think 23 non PK goals, you see we were on pace for ~54 goals for the whole season. We still might barely finish above that number.

Ronaldo was huge and influential, simply losing him one game into the season with no replacement is a huge blow

Who says otherwise? but this cannot be an excuse for poor choice of formations and combinations of players

 

[zizinho]

Who says otherwise? but this cannot be an excuse for poor choice of formations and combinations of players

Again, he just arrived and wanted to get ideas, wanted to find the best roles for players. We are building for the future not for now, so he needs to see which players he can count on and where. Every coach experiments

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Again, he just arrived and wanted to get ideas, wanted to find the best roles for players. We are building for the future not for now, so he needs to see which players he can count on and where. Every coach experiments

?? he started to work since july 1st, you telling me that he didn't know that 442 flat formation with 4 central midfielders won't work ?

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Almost whole year we play with Rabiot that is being used on the left flank in a 4-4-2, remember that time when he blamed Chiesa for his performance against Milan i guess? That his defending is not good enough Bloody terrorist.

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BuT iTs TrAnSiTiOn YeAr

 

[zizinho]

?? he started to work since july 1st, you telling me that he didn't know that 442 flat formation with 4 central midfielders won't work ?

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Almost whole year we play with Rabiot that is being used on the left flank in a 4-4-2, remember that time when he blamed Chiesa for his performance against Milan i guess? That his defending is not good enough Bloody terrorist.

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BuT iTs TrAnSiTiOn YeAr

Most of the times he was listed as LM pre game, he was actually LCM, check the match threads. And again, he's building for future seasons, so he's testing different setups with different players. Seeing who we keep, who we need to buy etc

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

He’s lost his mind. He’s making 100+ anti-Allegri posts a day in a dozen different threads.

Speaking of obsession

allegri, allegri, allegri, allegri, allegri

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And its me who have lost his mind? Or its you who are fucking possessed with Allegri, he lives in your head rent free, jesus christ

 

[iosono.bianconero]

The most toxic thread in history of Tuzz )

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Most of the times he was listed as LM pre game, he was actually LCM, check the match threads. And again, he's building for future seasons, so he's testing different setups with different players. Seeing who we keep, who we need to buy etc

He didn't, we are about to lose half of our starting 11 next summer, he will have to start from the scratch if Chiellini, Dybala, Sandro, Morata, Kean, Pellegrini, Rabiot, Arthur won't stay here

 

[zizinho]

He didn't, we are about to lose half of our starting 11 next summer, he will have to start from the scratch if Chiellini, Dybala, Sandro, Morata, Kean, Pellegrini, Rabiot, Arthur won't stay here

It wont be from scratch, most key players will remain

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

It wont be from scratch, most key players will remain

Like who? Chiesa won't be available til november-december
Szczesny
Danilo - MDL - Bonucci - ?
Cuadrado - Locatelli - ? - ?
Vlahovic - ?

 

[zizinho]

Like who? Chiesa won't be available til november-december
Szcesny
Danilo - MDL - Bonucci - ?
Cuadrado - Locatelli - ? - ?
Vlahovic - ?

The ones you named. Chiesa instead of Cuads when hes back. Plus roation players like Zakaria, McK, MDS, Pellegrini. Maybe Morata but doubt it

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I don't understand how you guys can argue this for literal days at a time. Shit is wild to me.

 

[RoiLezard]

I don't understand how you guys can argue this for literal days at a time. Shit is wild to me.

They got time!


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[juve_juve_juve]

Nobody who follows this sport can understand how Allegri thinks that rabiot is a better LM than kulusevski... I really want to know what's in the mind of Allegri with that matter.