How many young players from our academy grew up to be solid players in the last 20 years? Surely if we didnt recognize their potential some other club would have snatched them.
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The problem for me seems to be that Italy doesnt produce players that top clubs can use. It feels like thats improving but if you look at players born between 1990-2000 the only one that made it in a top club is Verratti. After that there is a bunch of glorified midtable players such as Immobile or Insigne and the hyped up youngsters from 10 years ago such as Destro, Borini, Gabbiadini flopped hard.
Edit: a brainfart at birth date range, was thinking of 1985-1995 or so aka the players we would be buying 5-10 years ago
Edit: a brainfart at birth date range, was thinking of 1985-1995 or so aka the players we would be buying 5-10 years ago
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how many of those are juve level players though, and how many didn't get a chance at juve?
criscito was sent away a bit early maybe, swapping spina for pellegrini was definitely a huge fuckup, otherwise i don't see too many wasted opportunities. giovinco was bought back for decent money and failed, idem for kean, nocerino played here and was rightfully sold, immobile is your perfect small town hero, etc... it's not like we let dozens of marchisio's slip away.
spina story still hurts a bit. others don't, not even the slightest.
as for the current bunch of youngsters, i hope some of fagioli, soulé, miretti, ranocchia & co will get their chance. this is definitely a generation with more potential than all those palladino's and lirola's.
criscito was sent away a bit early maybe, swapping spina for pellegrini was definitely a huge fuckup, otherwise i don't see too many wasted opportunities. giovinco was bought back for decent money and failed, idem for kean, nocerino played here and was rightfully sold, immobile is your perfect small town hero, etc... it's not like we let dozens of marchisio's slip away.
spina story still hurts a bit. others don't, not even the slightest.
as for the current bunch of youngsters, i hope some of fagioli, soulé, miretti, ranocchia & co will get their chance. this is definitely a generation with more potential than all those palladino's and lirola's.
From this list only Marchisio turned out to be a rockstar, all other players are mid-table at best. You all are contradicting yourself, I though we wanted to fight for the Scudetto and CL? These players surely wouldn’t have allowed us to do so.
Crying for youth just because some foreign clubs are able to promote talent every is nonsensical. Guess what, they are also 20 years ahead of every Italian team in youth development. Now is not the right time to criticize the club for lack of home-grown talent, we are actually getting there. The stream of talent that we have around Italy right now is promising. Judge the club if players like Fagioli or Miretti aren’t part of squad in a year or 2. If they are talented enough we will give them a chance.
the only regret I have is that the club didn’t start focusing on youth development 2 decades ago.
Crying for youth just because some foreign clubs are able to promote talent every is nonsensical. Guess what, they are also 20 years ahead of every Italian team in youth development. Now is not the right time to criticize the club for lack of home-grown talent, we are actually getting there. The stream of talent that we have around Italy right now is promising. Judge the club if players like Fagioli or Miretti aren’t part of squad in a year or 2. If they are talented enough we will give them a chance.
the only regret I have is that the club didn’t start focusing on youth development 2 decades ago.
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The thing is is that its 100 times harder to improve yourself in Genoa than in Juventus, if ronaldo hadn't moved to MU, we might not have known about him. And that shit that TaLeNt WiLl FiNd A wAy doesn't work in real life, you need conditions, a right system, the right mentality, high-level specialists around, there are 1000 different factors influencing the development of football players. Criscito was sent to Gulag after just 1 mistake against Roma, no one believed in Giovinco until he didn't become good in Parma, no one believed in Immobile even after his capocannoniere season in Torino, Spinazzola was sold even after he was playing really good here. If you managed to get out of the academy of a top club and get a professional contract in your hands, it means that you were better than a MILLION other players. And even if you was rejected by many clubs you still might become an incredible player, just look at Kante's lifestory, its absolutely incredible what he was able to achieve when literally no one believed in him but 1 person in the whole world.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven.../0/galerie/0?wettbewerb_id=IT1&option=0&art=0
just look at this list. players from juve academy, with more than 50 serie a appearances, born after 1990: kean, rogerio, léris, audero, lirola, romagna, mattiello, rugani, spinazzola, chibsah, büchel, immobile, falque, lapadula, marrone.
former juve academy players with a current market value over 10m: immobile, spina, kean
but of course we can discuss how many talented players' careers were destroyed by allegri
just look at this list. players from juve academy, with more than 50 serie a appearances, born after 1990: kean, rogerio, léris, audero, lirola, romagna, mattiello, rugani, spinazzola, chibsah, büchel, immobile, falque, lapadula, marrone.
former juve academy players with a current market value over 10m: immobile, spina, kean
but of course we can discuss how many talented players' careers were destroyed by allegri
https://www.transfermarkt.com/juven.../0/galerie/0?wettbewerb_id=IT1&option=0&art=0
just look at this list. players from juve academy, with more than 50 serie a appearances, born after 1990: kean, rogerio, léris, audero, lirola, romagna, mattiello, rugani, spinazzola, chibsah, büchel, immobile, falque, lapadula, marrone.
former juve academy players with a current market value over 10m: immobile, spina, kean
but of course we can discuss how many talented players' careers were destroyed by allegri
just look at this list. players from juve academy, with more than 50 serie a appearances, born after 1990: kean, rogerio, léris, audero, lirola, romagna, mattiello, rugani, spinazzola, chibsah, büchel, immobile, falque, lapadula, marrone.
former juve academy players with a current market value over 10m: immobile, spina, kean
but of course we can discuss how many talented players' careers were destroyed by allegri
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Yeah, but I ll increase the stakes so how many from that list could have been protagonists here? I see maybe 2. Does anyone really think that giving more minutes to Lirola would make him a world beater? Thats just nonsense imo. Have players like Chiesa or Veratti needed pampering? These players have enough talent and character to stand out and make managers select them ahead of older, more experienced players.
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