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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
34,468
The biggest positive of his arrival is that the club has finally decide on not continuing with Ramsey and Arthur. Pretty sure we would still be seeing them play occasionally with Pirlo, but Max seems to be found the frauds.
i'm pretty disappointed with both players. i still think ramsey is our only mid who could actually make a difference around the box, and arthur is supposed to be by far the best in possession, and could have easily became max's new pjanic with a bit of an improvement in forward passing. too bad for ramsey's injuries and arthur's unprofessional attitude. let's hope we hit rock bottom with these two.
 

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Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
7,118
Tek
Danilo-de Ligt-Bonucci-Sandro
Bentancur-Locatelli
Cuads-Dybala-Chiesa
Morata

Thats a team full with quality players, players who have won titles as starters before, that team should be doing better. We're on pace for a 63 point season, thats not the true value of those players. The team can and should be improved, but Allegri has been failing so far, fingers crossed he gets his shit together.
None of them were actually pillars. They rode on the back off players like Dani Alves, Higuain, Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, etc. etc. to win those titles.
You could make a case for Dybala -who is constantly injured nowadays- and Bonucci -who's age of catching up with him but he's still doing ok- but that's it.

The rest has always been someone who played alongside bigger names or in Chiesa & De Ligt's case who has everything to prove. Be realistic for a second.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,690
None of them were actually pillars. They rode on the back off players like Dani Alves, Higuain, Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, etc. etc. to win those titles.
You could make a case for Dybala -who is constantly injured nowadays- and Bonucci -who's age of catching up with him but he's still doing ok- but that's it.

The rest has always been someone who played alongside bigger names or in Chiesa & De Ligt's case who has everything to prove. Be realistic for a second.
Dybala and chiesa have missed nearly half of our games.The majority of the squad is filled with overpaid mercenaries and medicore players.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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None of them were actually pillars. They rode on the back off players like Dani Alves, Higuain, Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, etc. etc. to win those titles.
You could make a case for Dybala -who is constantly injured nowadays- and Bonucci -who's age of catching up with him but he's still doing ok- but that's it.

The rest has always been someone who played alongside bigger names or in Chiesa & De Ligt's case who has everything to prove. Be realistic for a second.
Allegri did badly in his last season due to not getting the signings he wanted. Fast forward to 2021 and he still did not get his signings in addition to this team getting worse. Not sure why he decided to come back.
 

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
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i'm pretty disappointed with both players. i still think ramsey is our only mid who could actually make a difference around the box, and arthur is supposed to be by far the best in possession, and could have easily became max's new pjanic with a bit of an improvement in forward passing. too bad for ramsey's injuries and arthur's unprofessional attitude. let's hope we hit rock bottom with these two.
In Ramsey case, i think he himself gave up and doesnt really care about playing here, thats only logical explanation for the current state of his status in the squad. TBF here im even thinking he is actually faking injuries, because the situation where he can easily play for NT and then comes back and is not available is just bullshit to me and happened to many times. Maybe its Allegri who has written him off alreayd, but there is something fishy there, even Nedved comments suggests there are some issues with him, not only related to form/injuries. In form and injury free Ramsey would be a blessing for this squad though, as what we are lacking the most is the creativity in the midfield.

Now on Arthur, we had big expectations for him, atleast i did, but we cant have a midfielder who is not able to run for more than 60 minutes and this was always the case for Melo. I remember when we were still trying to buy him, all Barca fans were saying the same - this guy is dead at 60 minute of the game, has no stamina for a proffesional player.
Just tell me now, how did our scouting department not see this? Its said he came him as a transfer chosen by Sarri and specifally for his system. Are we really such amateurs on the transfer market? Sarri was sacked before Arthur was bought, but his agent says:
Arthur’s agent Federico Pastorello: "Arthur was a Sarri signing, he doesn’t fit the footballing style of Allegri, keeping him on the bench is a shame. We won’t exclude anything come January, within Spain but also Italy & England."
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,690
Allegri did badly in his last season due to not getting the signings he wanted. Fast forward to 2021 and he still did not get his signings in addition to this team getting worse. Not sure why he decided to come back.
i dont know what badly means but Winning the scudetto super cup and reaching champions league quarter final is the minimum objective for a club like juve which was achieved in allegri last season.The management has really lead allegri down by all the transfer drama surrounding Ronaldo and then signing kean as his replacement which resulted in our worst start in 60 years.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,863
None of them were actually pillars. They rode on the back off players like Dani Alves, Higuain, Tevez, Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, etc. etc. to win those titles.
You could make a case for Dybala -who is constantly injured nowadays- and Bonucci -who's age of catching up with him but he's still doing ok- but that's it.

The rest has always been someone who played alongside bigger names or in Chiesa & De Ligt's case who has everything to prove. Be realistic for a second.
Last season when we won the title (under Sarri) none of the major players you listed were here, the only one that played a major role that season and isnt here is Ronaldo. de Ligt and Bonu was the starting pair at CB, Bentancur and not Pjanic or Matuidi was our best mid that season, Cuads, Danilo, Sandro and others in our squad played a major role in that title. Was it a great season? Nah, but those guys won the title, they're not all useless crap like many are saying now.
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
7,118
Last season when we won the title (under Sarri) none of the major players you listed were here, the only one that played a major role that season and isnt here is Ronaldo. de Ligt and Bonu was the starting pair at CB, Bentancur and not Pjanic or Matuidi was our best mid that season, Cuads, Danilo, Sandro and others in our squad played a major role in that title. Was it a great season? Nah, but those guys won the title, they're not all useless crap like many are saying now.
Yes and that season we were already only one point up on the second place while having one of the greatest of all time on the team who scored 37 goals that season. While also having a 2 years younger Chiellini, Cuadrado, Buffon, Matuidi, Khedira, Pjanic and Higuain and Douglas Costa? Those guys were champions. There is no comparing this roster to the one back then. Not even close.

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Allegri did badly in his last season due to not getting the signings he wanted. Fast forward to 2021 and he still did not get his signings in addition to this team getting worse. Not sure why he decided to come back.
Hopefully because there is actually a long term plan in place this time...
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,863
Yes and that season we were already only one point up on the second place while having one of the greatest of all time on the team who scored 37 goals that season. While also having a 2 years younger Chiellini, Cuadrado, Buffon, Matuidi, Khedira, Pjanic and Higuain and Douglas Costa? Those guys were champions. There is no comparing this roster to the one back then. Not even close.

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Hopefully because there is actually a long term plan in place this time...
Buffon was reserve goalkeeper. Khedira and Chiellini didnt play due to injuries. Higuain and Costa had minimal impact. Cuads hasn't lost anything since then. Matuidi and Pjanic played a significant role, but they weren't leaders, the two best midfielders in that team were Bentancur and Rabiot (post Covid), both played at a much higher level than so far this season (or the last one).

Agreed about Ronaldo, he scored a lot and was definitely the leader of that team. However I disagree that he alone makes the rosters incomparable, no one wins titles alone and neither did Ronaldo in 19/20, he was supported by a very similar team to our current one, only exception is that now we have Chiesa and Locatelli and tired champions of 19/20 who went on to basically retire Higuain, Costa, Matuidi and Pjanic are replaced by younger and dumber Kean, Kulu, McKennie and Arthur.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,337
Did he inherit good players at Cagliari or Sassoulo? The Milan team he took over also wasn’t in the best shape.

Granted this rebuild is a lot tougher as he has inherited some dreadful players on huge salaries thanks to Paratici and he will need time to turn that around. He’s a genius but he isn’t a wizard
He hasn't shown the ability to build in the same manner as Conte though.
 

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