Massimiliano Allegri (218 Viewers)

[kao_ray]

Max truly is a magician. He foresaw Coman's future injury issues, and that's why he decided not to play a clearly talented young player who already picked up MotM award in his very first game. That's why he requested Matri loan and played Matri over Coman lol.

And lol at Coman not being useful to us now or in past years. And many of our lesser players themselves have had injury issues.

No one asked you to cry. You and the facsimile just do it out of habit. The funny debate is about Allegri being a top youth coach, and Coman is one example.

No, he is nothing special and we should have bought someone far better. It's our management bad transfer policy the problem we don't have a good left winger but selling Coman was a good deal because he is not worth it.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Conte played Pogba and he was already an important player in the team when Allegri arrived. But yeah, even Allegri would've played young Pogba regardless like he's playing de Ligt and Chiesa now.

Not that Chiesa is that young, but acc to Allegri a player isn't ready or mature till 25 or 26 (repeated that again before last int'l break). And actually regressed under him after hearing he needed to defend more and then attack more within the space of a week. Besides Ronaldo, Chiesa was our best player last year while playing as winger. Don't try to fix something when it's not broken (esp when we have actual broken parts in team to fix; and he created another broken part with Rabiot at LM but I digress). Amazing way to handle a 24 yo consistent and clutch player. Also thinks de Ligt can't play in back 3 for whatever reason.

Incredibly odd to think and argue Allegri is some great youth coach when the man himself repeats the 25-27 yo BS every other month. But it's a drop in the ocean of hilarious defense of his coaching this season.

Yeah, Chiesa has been off form ever since Allegri forced him to become a striker. Now the poor lad seems to be confused.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Yeah, Chiesa has been off form ever since Allegri forced him to become a striker. Now the poor lad seems to be confused.

They're all fucking confused even kulusevski has regressed more so.

 

[Bjerknes]

They're all fucking confused even kulusevski has regressed more so.

Are you saying Allergi isn't good with young players?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Fire or keep if we don't make CL?

 

[Bjerknes]

Fire or keep if we don't make CL?

Fire as punishment. Then immediately rehire, pack the defense, and sell the young players.

 

[Cerval]

How many promising youngsters came in the first place? We've been collecting the Matuidis and experienced players during his first reign. Pjaca got both ACL torn and didn't amount to anything.

Apart from Coman, what younsters exploded after us dumping them?

 

[Ronn]

How many promising youngsters came in the first place? We've been collecting the Matuidis and experienced players during his first reign. Pjaca got both ACL torn and didn't amount to anything.

Apart from Coman, what younsters exploded after us dumping them?

Coman did not exactly explode either.

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Fire or keep if we don't make CL?

I wouldn't tie his fate to the CL but to the degree of improvement by the end of the season.

 

[s4tch]

How many promising youngsters came in the first place? We've been collecting the Matuidis and experienced players during his first reign. Pjaca got both ACL torn and didn't amount to anything.

Apart from Coman, what younsters exploded after us dumping them?

(coman didn't explode, but) some wc potential ruined by allergy:

• ogbonna
• lemina
• rugani
• giovinco (i hope lion is watching, i'm trying to learn)
• and of course

let's keep rewriting history. one of the best trends on tuz.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Are you saying Allergi isn't good with young players?

Who was the last young player that thrived under Allegri?

 

[Post Ironic]

I think goal-differential and domestic double is mentioned by PI in every 3rd post

When Tuzzers like Dingus and Fagger consistently claim Conte’s scudetto plus Coppa failure plus CL group stage exit are equivalent to Allegri’s domestic double plus CL final a year later, one must drive it into those thick skulls that they are not actually similar in the slightest through repetition. Glad to be of service though.

 

[JuveE46]

Coman from his season when he won the CL and Bayern won a treble.
Coman - 38 games, 2434 minutes, 8 goals, 7 assists
Kulusevski last season 47 games, 2738 minutes, 7 goals, 7 assists

Also Coman missed 25 games due to injuries for the last two seasons alone.

So I should cry over an inconsistent injury prone player bought for nothing by Juventus and sold for 30 mil? Ok. That sounds smart.



Conte has done amazing but his squad in 2011 was miles ahead of our current squad. Conte had BBC + Buffon, MVP where Vidal was the most complete midfielder. Also the influence of Matri, Quagliarela and Vucinic upfront + the hard work from Giacherini and Pepe shouldn't be underestimated.
Now our defense is in shambles with Bonucci close to his retirement age and Chiellini past it, unconvincing de Ligt and regressed Sandro. And let's not mention the midfield.

Vidal had potential he kicked in another gear under Conte.
Influence of Matri quag? Yeah they were the ones who bailed out Conte without them hed be out of ideas and finish in 7th again LOL giach and Pepe where did they go? Did you hear them being part of anything important elsewhere? Guess who made them work that hard? His first name is Antonio. Meanwhile fagiot on 20x the $ with half workrate of sturaro.
Conte had a better keeper and CBs, everything else was not a given so stop with that BS. Pirlo was even a gamble before it became the MVP we all boast about now..
Max walked into a well oiled machine, again not saying who is better because I can't know how far either can go with proper time/support from board and I'm not going to take cheap shots like he had CR7 and couldn't figure out how to take advantage...for all we know it wasnt up to Max .. but those who pretend they know can keep playing that game.

 

[pavluska]

Speaking of rewriting history, I see a certain member, who had hailed Pirlo as our Guardiola and passionately discharged how Pirlo was wayyy better than Sarri as a coach in Dec/Jan and even defended him in March, now has an anti-Pirlo avatar.

 

[Cerval]

^ Allegri was the second choice of this user. But he still moan constantly like a bitch.

 

[kao_ray]

Vidal had potential he kicked in another gear under Conte.
Influence of Matri quag? Yeah they were the ones who bailed out Conte without them hed be out of ideas and finish in 7th again LOL giach and Pepe where did they go? Did you hear them being part of anything important elsewhere? Guess who made them work that hard? His first name is Antonio. Meanwhile fagiot on 20x the $ with half workrate of sturaro.
Conte had a better keeper and CBs, everything else was not a given so stop with that BS. Pirlo was even a gamble before it became the MVP we all boast about now..
Max walked into a well oiled machine, again not saying who is better because I can't know how far either can go with proper time/support from board but those who pretend they know can keep playing that game.

I guess we have different opinions. I still remember this epic Conte and his CL nightmares in the group stages.

 

[pavluska]

Vidal had potential he kicked in another gear under Conte.
Influence of Matri quag? Yeah they were the ones who bailed out Conte without them hed be out of ideas and finish in 7th again LOL giach and Pepe where did they go? Did you hear them being part of anything important elsewhere? Guess who made them work that hard? His first name is Antonio. Meanwhile fagiot on 20x the $ with half workrate of sturaro.
Conte had a better keeper and CBs, everything else was not a given so stop with that BS. Max walked into a well oiled machine, again not saying who is better because I can't know how far either can go with proper time/support from board but those who pretend they know can keep playing that game.

Don't forget Giaccherini, Pepe, Vucinic. Il top players. Plus, besides Milan year, Bonucci was at his worst that season. We even had to rely on De Ceglie for periods. Allegri at Milan clearly had the superior team and bottled it.

Conte is the better league coach. Allegri is the better cup coach. And you have to sort the league out first, that has to be the base. (No way I'm advocating hiring Conte, way past that.)

 

[kao_ray]

Don't forget Giaccherini, Pepe, Vucinic. Il top players. Plus, besides Milan year, Bonucci was at his worst that season. We even had to rely on De Ceglie for periods. Allegri at Milan clearly had the superior team and bottled it.

Conte is the better league coach. Allegri is the better cup coach. And you have to sort the league out first, that has to be the base. (No way I'm advocating hiring Conte, way past that.)

Giacherini, Pepe, Matri, Quagliarela and Vucinic are limited players but they are not on the level of abysmal uselessness of some of our current attacking options.

 

[pavluska]

Today I learned Matri was better than Morata, and Pepe was better than Kulusevski.

The things I learn daily on Tuz.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Giacherini, Pepe, Matri, Quagliarela and Vucinic are limited players but they are not on the level of abysmal uselessness of some of our current attacking options.

Mirko

 

[kao_ray]

Today I learned Matri was better than Morata, and Pepe was better than Kulusevski.

The things I learn daily on Tuz.

Current Morata is worse than Padovano.