Massimiliano Allegri (146 Viewers)

[Salvo]

It's the damn midfield man, they are not good with the ball. Put pressure on them and they fold

We need a midfield leader

 

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[Hydde]

There’s a difference between a bad manager and a manager who has hit a ceiling at Juventus . Allegri is the later. Let’s not reduce him to someone who isn’t even good enough to manage in MLS.

He’s taken Juventus as far as he could have as far as i’m concerned and done a great job at it. Losing to Ajax is a tough pill to swallow and despite their quality and our injuries, we went in as favourites and I still can’t believe that we knocked out. However the fact that there is so much frustration at not winning the CL speaks volumes of what Allegri has achieved here - this now is a club that is expected to be among the favourites instead of a club simply playing second fiddle to Real, Barca n co for the last one decade. Not since the Lippi era have we had a manager who has done as well in Europe as Allegri. Granted he doesn’t have a trophy to show for if, but unfortunately that’s just the way things are.

It’s time to thank him for his service and part ways as soon as a feasible replacement is available. Conte isn’t the answer in my opinion. Been there done that. It needs to be someone new. I’d be happy to see Allegri continue if no one else is available too. Firing him just for the sake of it will only make matters worse.


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How can you be happy to continue with him after the last showings is beyond me.

At this point, staying with him is the same as going gung ho headfirst against a titanium wall hoping to dig a hole on it someday.

We are already on the point that a change is needed. A change into the unknown but very much needed. The time of playing conservative and staying in our comfort zone AKA Allegri is over.

 

[Hængebøffer]

What an absolutely failure he has been to the team this season. That’s why I said we would get knocked out. The team look so gassed. He made the team peak way too early. That’s also why the injuries just keeps coming.

Ajax are pacey but people overrate them too much. We should’ve chewed them. They even spread their legs yesterday, but we did nothing. Tottenham will man handle them in the semifinal. Actually. I think both Tottenham and City celebrated with champagne yesterday.

 

[Nedved96]

I have pointed this out before, but most of our players have either stagnated or regressed under Allegri’s management, especially creative players.

Dybala - regressed severely this season, no longer seems to have the potential he once had.
Bernardeschi - he scored 5 goals last season and only 3 goals this season. He scored 14 in his final season at Fiorentina.
Costa - was good in the second half last season, has completely lost it this year.
Higuain - unreal for Napoli, never reached those heights here.
Bentancur - on arrival he looked like a promising young midfielder with the balls to dribble past opponents. Now he looks like a scared kitten.
Pjanic - his best season for Juve is still his first, has gradually regressed since 2017
Sandro - has regressed badly since 2017

People want to sell Dybala to fund Joao Felix and all, but who is to say that Felix would develop into a top player if he came here? There’s a very high chance that he would stagnate or regress so many of our other young players have.

 

[cimenk]

Juve and Allegri deserve every criticism
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There can be no excuses, no alibis and no hiding place for Max Allegri, his players and Juventus football club. Regardless of the opposition’s excellence on Tuesday night, exiting the competition was not an option. This was not an unfortunate defeat, where the underdog had defended for their lives and stolen victory. Juventus were dominated and were fortunate not to concede more. A scintillating Ajax team destroyed the establishment and deservedly progressed to the semi-finals of Europe’s elite competition, edging a step closer to legendary status.

The first half was somewhat tentative from both sides, with Juve seemingly managing the opening stages better. Ajax showed glimpses of what they could offer, but rarely threatened. Then came the inevitable, Ronaldo headed home to add another goal to his incredible Champions League record. It looked set for the Portuguese Number 7 to make this another night about him, but on 34 minutes came the moment that changed the quarter-final.

Donny van de Beek reacted quickly to control a wayward shot before slotting home coolly. Federico Bernardeschi had failed squeeze up and get with his defensive line, playing the Dutch midfield man onside. There was an instant feeling of shock around the stadium, half-time came quickly and the full effect that goal had on Juve would only be seen after the break.

Moise Kean was introduced in place of the injured and disappointing Paulo Dybala, but Kean could do nothing to prevent what was coming. Ajax bossed proceedings, the equaliser was galvanising and they sensed another incredible victory was on the cards.

Juventus were nervous and the pressure of the situation was too much for them to handle. Instead of intently searching for the lead or attempting to control possession, Allegri’s team crumbled. Ajax excitedly pressed on, knowing that a second goal would be devastating for their hosts and when the colossal Matthijs de Ligt powered home a header with a little over 20 minutes remaining, there was only one team going through.

Juve’s insecurities were laid bare for all to see. Earlier this year, Atalanta had paved the way for others to exploit this team and Allegri ignored the warning signs, only for it come back and haunt him once again on the biggest night of the season. The Old Lady simply could not contain Ajax’s energy levels, their technical ability and above all, intelligence. The Dutch team have complete understanding of their game. Ajax dominate the pitch, create space and exploit it with clever movements and combination play. It is something wonderful to watch.

It is difficult to understand what Allegri’s thought process was coming into the second leg. After familiarising yourself with Ajax, leaving The Johan Cruijff Area with a draw and an away goal, there should have be change in approach. One of Allegri’s strongest assets has always been his tactical flexibility and variety, but it seems like he has no answer to the deployment of an intensive, progressive style of football. It begs the question, is Allegri becoming outdated?

The Juventus boss will point to the absence of captain Giorgio Chiellini, Mario Mandzukic and Douglas Costa as decisive factors. His squad has been struggling with injury problems and it is far from ideal preparation to have those players and the likes of Emre Can and Ronaldo all missing recently, but you are in charge of Italy’s best club, it is no reason for this loss.

In response to last week’s game, he leaned on experience to help. Experience means little, especially when you are being over-ran. Regardless of those players missing, take a look at the Juventus bench. Joao Cancelo, Leo Spinazzola, Rodrigo Bentancur and Moise Kean all started on the side-lines, all players that are undoubtedly better-equipped at playing against Ajax. Those players would not sit on the Ajax bench, they would be encouraged to go and play without fear. Instead, what was offered up to Erik ten Haag? Mattia De Sciglio, Alex Sandro, Blaise Matuidi, Emre Can and an out of form Paulo Dybala.

Ajax epitomise the beautiful game, but this isn’t a team of world class players, it has a nice blend of qualities that work perfectly well as a unit and had Juventus running scared. The Italian champions were punished for having a sense of inferiority, a lack of bravery, that stems from the man that sends the starting XI on to the pitch.

The aggregate score was close, but in reality, this should have been a more comfortable victory for Ajax. If not for the superb Wojciech Szczesny - who was easily his side’s best performer this round - the score would have been three or even four.

On the face of it, this Juventus isn’t the best team in Europe, it isn’t even Allegri’s best Juve, it is simply the team that has Ronaldo, the player responsible for all of their knockout round goals. That in itself tells a story.

Ajax deserve all the plaudits, while Juventus deserve every criticism and this result goes to further prove that in modern football, if you have belief in the way you play, define a clear style and approach, then you do not need to constantly search for ways to stop an opponent. You deploy Plan A and let that lead the way.

Agree with most of part.
We played scared. This is different when we against Atleti when we play like nothing to lose

Even Allegri out very attacking formation at the time. We have Cancelo and Spina at that time when De Sciglio injured and Sandro suspended. It actually like a blessing. If at that time De Sciglio and Sandro is available, I dont think Cancelo and Spina will play.

And we play like the underdog even playing Matuidi and Can as 2 DM.

 

[pavelnel]

I have pointed this out before, but most of our players have either stagnated or regressed under Allegri’s management, especially creative players.

Dybala - regressed severely this season, no longer seems to have the potential he once had.
Bernardeschi - he scored 5 goals last season and only 3 goals this season. He scored 14 in his final season at Fiorentina.
Costa - was good in the second half last season, has completely lost it this year.
Higuain - unreal for Napoli, never reached those heights here.
Bentancur - on arrival he looked like a promising young midfielder with the balls to dribble past opponents. Now he looks like a scared kitten.
Pjanic - his best season for Juve is still his first, has gradually regressed since 2017
Sandro - has regressed badly since 2017

People want to sell Dybala to fund Joao Felix and all, but who is to say that Felix would develop into a top player if he came here? There’s a very high chance that he would stagnate or regress so many of our other young players have.

Allegri is a black hole for talent. It is plain obvious to see.
He has been finished since Cardiff.
His brand of football is no longer relevant.
Ajax destroyed us with half the talent and much less financial power. They just have the right coach for the team.We don't.


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[Nedved96]

Allegri is a black hole for talent. It is plain obvious to see.

Yep, and if we did sign Joao Felix, he would probably stagnate and regress just like Dybala has.

 

[Orgut]

Allegri should go and we should get a coach who can get us play better especially when talking about our passing game but we really need major changes in our team.
1. CB - Bonucci just isnt it anymore and while Rugani is developing he is still not Juve ready to play as a starter as first choice defender + Chiellini is not a kid anymore..
2. CM - Someone who can improve our passing game and take some leadership through the middle
3. CM - Someone who can fix our defensive side of midfield
4. Attacking player to replace Dybala who just doesnt fit here

1. The part of finding players isnt too tough but the part of getting them might put some sweat on Paratici
Best: Koulibaly De Ligt Varane
Probable: Romero
2. CM - We got Ramsey but we obviously going for another CM - our passing game is just horrible
Best: Pogba, Eriksenn (he won me over with his super intelligence) also good option - Ndombele
Probable: There is no probable at the moment but Ndombele is being mentioned the most
3. CM - Someone like Kante who can help organize our defense and make crucial interceptions
Best: Kante also good is Casemiro
Probable: No one even mentioned for this position so dont expect anyone..
4. Dybala just isnt for us
Best: There are lots of players I can put here like Salah Mbappe and etc but lets be serious they are not coming..
Probable: I expect Ronaldo to get another international teammate in J.Felix - Lets hope he becomes goat V2 and not Dybala V2 (with all the respect in the world to Dybala)

as for the coach I`d take Ajax`s coach - I have seen enough over their last 4 games to be convinced - If he can do it with such a budget he can certainly do it for us and Guardiola who was mentioned before earns like a super player while the Dutchman will not be expensive, actually I think he will be quite cheap..

 

[Amer]

First thing we need to do is solve these medical issues. For fuck sake, there is no club in Europe that has more injuries then us. Every day 2 players recover, 3 get injured.

 

[Hydde]

Allegri is a black hole for talent. It is plain obvious to see.
He has been finished since Cardiff.
His brand of football is no longer relevant.
Ajax destroyed us with half the talent and much less financial power. They just have the right coach for the team.We don't.


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what can you expect offensively with a coach that uses dybala like a Dm.

Yep, nothing.

 

[Mike-e-y]

There are so many things wrong about this post.

Not having any plan to attack is not on Allegri's?

His team pressing being shit even against peasant teams in the leage isn't his fault?

It was so obvious that we would get destroyed against teams that can press us. Why? Because our coach can't make a solid plan to let his players play a fluid game.

And So many players injured and off form. This is all on Coach.

And in no way there is no better coaches out there better than him. Hire Gasperini. We will lose the Cl again but at least we watch an entertaining Juve not a boring one like past 2 seasons.

I'm sick of this shit. His team played shit all season and his answer was it's important to be on form in March and april. Here we are in the March and out of competition.

If Allegri has any say in the players that came through the door I’d agree with you. Sometimes I wonder if people actually have any understanding of what is going on at our club...

Over the last 3 years we’ve been dismantling a team that was very well built and created a badly put together jigsaw that doesn’t fit. Tevez, Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Alves, Morata all left too early.

Look at our midfield. I’d take Ajax’s midfield over ours in the blink of an eye. I challenge any manager in the game to find a system that suits Matuidi, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Bentancur. These players are so completely different it’s untrue and they’ve been pieced together on a shoestring free transfer and low cost philosophy. They share no footballing DNA. We either go technical or we go industry.

Ramsey coming in next year hints towards a shift to technical but even then we have 2/6 midfielders who are technically gifted.

Allegri is trying to manage what he’s got and he’s doing a good job. The team has been so badly constructed in the last 2 years it’s scary.

Gasperini... pffft

 

[Vialli_92]

I've been saying it since 2017, the ceiling was hit with Allegri and his coaching style makes it very hard for us to win a CL

Results in serie A don't translate automatically to Europe

We get away with so many bad performances there that go unpunished but as we seen over the years we don't get away with it in the CL where the standard is a lot higher

We need to stop going for these pragmatic Italian coaches, they have been left behind in their 1990's coaching philosophy

Club needs to make a bold managerial appointment and back him

 

[Nedved96]

I challenge any manager in the game to find a system that suits Matuidi, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Bentancur.

I can guarantee you that Klopp would make that midfield work.

If you can break the all-time Champions League goalscoring record with a midfield of Wijnaldum, Milner and Henderson, you can play good football with our midfield.

Our midfield is far from perfect and needs improvements in the summer, but that doesn’t excuse our abysmal style of play.

 

[Mike-e-y]

I can guarantee you that Klopp would make that midfield work.

If you can break the all-time Champions League goalscoring record with a midfield of Wijnaldum, Milner and Henderson, you can play good football with our midfield.

Klopp plays a high intensity game, Wijnaldum, Milner (hugely underrated player) and Henderson have got ferocious intensity, they’re not the most technically gifted but they share that trait.

Can you imagine Pjanic & Khedira playing high intensity? It’s not their game. I’m still not sure what Bentancur offers, Can and Matuidi can offer intensity but they lack technical ability. The whole midfield is linked by nothing at all

 

[Gep]

I've been saying it since 2017, the ceiling was hit with Allegri and his coaching style makes it very hard for us to win a CL

Results in serie A don't translate automatically to Europe

We get away with so many bad performances there that go unpunished but as we seen over the years we don't get away with it in the CL where the standard is a lot higher

We need to stop going for these pragmatic Italian coaches, they have been left behind in their 1990's coaching philosophy

Club needs to make a bold managerial appointment and back him

Totally agree.

 

[s4tch]

Have a nice nuke fest guys. I'll sit this one out.

this.

someone pm me when it's over.

 

[petersmit]

It's very simple... There aren't even really good coaches available. The season is over. Let's see what will happen in the next couple of weeks. We are probably winning the serie a and having a party.

Meanwhile AA and his team is probably working his ass off looking for that player that we desperately needed yesterday. A WC defender and/or a WC midfielder. God damn what I would give just to have both Frenkie and Matthijs on our team. They are so damn good and haven't even gotten close to their ceiling yet, but those Basterds from Barcelona are getting them.

 

[kao_ray]

Max Allegri on Sky Sport Italia


“We had a lot of players struggling with fitness issues and the two legs were only a week apart. We had a young player like Kean in the second half, but there’s a knock-on effect, as it allowed De Jong more time on the ball and Ajax took control.

This quote bothers me a lot.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We have absolutely no identity under allegri, the only game I can honestly recall where we have been good this season was at home vs bologna. After last night I'm at the conclusion that our game plan is to place our players in a formation to nullify the oppositions threat, rather than actually using our players to threaten the opposition and give them something to think about. Our attack is based on pure luck and skill rather than any formulated plan. Our defence is based on defending from the front but without really pressing as an effective unit.
The problem I have is as much as I want allegri gone now who is out there realistically able to replace him??

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Max Allegri on Sky Sport Italia
“We had done well in the first half, albeit a little too frenetic when we won back possession. Football is vicious, as you concede a fortuitous goal, the fear sets in, we got stretched out in the second half and should’ve had a different approach.

“Ajax fully deserved their result and qualification to the semi-finals.”

Injuries

“When you reach the quarter-finals, it’s better to have as many options as possible, because these ties are decided by details, substitutions and options off the bench.

“We had a lot of players struggling with fitness issues and the two legs were only a week apart. We had a young player like Kean in the second half, but there’s a knock-on effect, as it allowed De Jong more time on the ball and Ajax took control.

“There are many young players in the squad who need to play and gain experience. Some might’ve paid at having two such big matches in the space of a week.

“We did well in the first half, less well after the break. The first leg was more balanced than this evening, of course.”

Future?

“I told the President that I will stay. We'll sit down with the club and think about the future.”

Yet he rested most of the team vs spal ffs! How is fitness an issue? Such a loser excuse! Sounding more and more like del neri

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It's very simple... There aren't even really good coaches available. The season is over. Let's see what will happen in the next couple of weeks. We are probably winning the serie a and having a party.

Meanwhile AA and his team is probably working his ass off looking for that player that we desperately needed yesterday. A WC defender and/or a WC midfielder. God damn what I would give just to have both Frenkie and Matthijs on our team. They are so damn good and haven't even gotten close to their ceiling yet, but those Basterds from Barcelona are getting them.

It's ok AA will raid chievo instead this summer, whilst putting the ticket prices up again the tight bastard

 

[Vlad]

It's very simple... There aren't even really good coaches available. The season is over. Let's see what will happen in the next couple of weeks. We are probably winning the serie a and having a party.

Meanwhile AA and his team is probably working his ass off looking for that player that we desperately needed yesterday. A WC defender and/or a WC midfielder. God damn what I would give just to have both Frenkie and Matthijs on our team. They are so damn good and haven't even gotten close to their ceiling yet, but those Basterds from Barcelona are getting them.

They made all the difference last night. De Jong has been incredible over both legs, he completely controlled midfield. If someone thinks its down to their coach some tactical astuteness, hes got another thing coming. This Ajax side has been one of their best sides over the last 20-25 years. Dont underestimate them against City or Barca... Our defense without Chiellini is mediocre tbh and looked very disjointed. It should be clear what this team needs over the summer. To me it was obvious from the start, we aint that good this year so I didnt take too hard last nights defeat.