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Allegri: Year over for Cancelo, Ronaldo... | Football Italia
Juventus boss Max Allegri admits Joao Cancelo’s year is over and that ‘Cristiano Ronaldo will miss one of our games against Roma, Atalanta and Sampdoria.’
The Derby della Mole between Juve and Torino kicks off at 19:30 GMT on Saturday – click here for a preview.
“Cancelo did the meniscus in his knee this morning, so he’ll have surgery tonight or tomorrow and he’ll be back after the winter break,” the Coach said at a Press conference.
“Cuadrado has a knee problem and we’ll decide whether he needs surgery too. However, there is some positive news: Emre Can is back, Khedira returns next week and Spinazzola is doing fine.
“We’ll be playing a team who have lost only three games in the League. They’re doing very well and they had a good game against Milan.
“We must give continuity to our results. We have four games until the end of the first round.
“Tomorrow will be a difficult match, so we’ll have to find the right energies to face Torino.
“Ronaldo will miss one of our three games against Roma, Atalanta and Sampdoria. I’ve told him that.
“No problem’s ever existed with Benatia. He returned to the squad yesterday and is available again so I’m happy.
“Benatia, along with Rugani, Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli, make up the best defence in Europe, but at big clubs you have to accept decisions, be competitive and put yourself in contention.
“We’re going step by step. We’ll try to maintain the lead we’ve built up in the first round and then we’ll see.
“We’ll have 19 more games to play after that, plus many more points to pick up. In the meantime, we’ve achieved two of our objectives for the season: first place in our Champions League group and qualification for the knockouts.
“We’ll see what ball comes out on Monday and then in February we’ll think about it. Perin will play tomorrow.”
 

amir3323

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Nah. I disagree. 2011-12 Juventus was pretty entertaining, but after that, we became more and more pragmatic under Conte. Especially in CL.

Most entertaining Juventus to watch was winter 2014-15 Juventus. Our gameplay that year was gorgeous.
Agreed. When he switched to 4-3-1-2 that season and replaced Llorente with Morata it was quite entertaining. The midfield play along with Tevez/Morata link up was some fun stuff. Unfortunately that form ended with that Pogba injury in Dortmund.

Also some good stuff in early 2017 when he went with 4-2-3-1. That formation carried the team to CL final.
 

Hist

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So you think hes gotten it wrong in the past bc he didnt win the CL with an inferior squad?
Allegri with us has been getting results but severely lacking in style. Thats what hes got wrong in the past. The football doesn't have to be excruciating to win Serie and coppa italia. Imagine if PSG wasnt even entertaining to watch in Ligue 1. That has been us.

This year we are trying to play more attractive but somehow when we do that, we waste a gazillion chances.

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Which teams would top this mickey mouse Serie A and qualify from this easy group and in much better style?

Barca, PSG, City, Liverpool.

Who has a squad thats on par with ours?

Barca (Messi) and PSG have top squads like ours. City and Pool have substantially inferior squads.

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And he lost them both too because he played stronger opponents. Why is he celebrated and wanted as an upgrade then?
If you can get the same results but with substantially better style, why would you sign up to the excruciating boredom that is Allegri's plan?
 
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Cerval

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It's not necessarily about style, it's about playing at 100% of your potential (no more half-assing) and dominate your opponent - and I don't mean by that to have senseless possession. This is the last step for us before being able to steamroll CL and go the next level.
 

Post Ironic

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It's not necessarily about style, it's about playing at 100% of your potential (no more half-assing) and dominate your opponent - and I don't mean by that to have senseless possession. This is the last step for us before being able to steamroll CL and go the next level.
:tup: Of course it is. But like many of us have said, the meat of the season is from January onwards. That's when I care about playing at 100% of potential. Suggesting we need to be at peak performance in the Autumn is ridiculous. Real Madrid finished 2nd in their group the last 2 years, and still won the CL. The double standards on this forum are absurd.

Allegri did that through the knockouts in 16-17 when we steamrolled Porto, Barca, Monaco on the way to a final, where we met up with an all-time great Madrid team that steamrolled us in a nightmare second half.

Pretty sure most of us recognize we need to be more ruthless in the knockouts this year if we want to fulfil our potential as a CL favourite. But suggesting we should aspire to be more like PSG or ManCity is nonsense. Those two clubs have outspent everyone and have still failed year after year in Europe early on.
 

Cerval

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:tup: Of course it is. But like many of us have said, the meat of the season is from January onwards. That's when I care about playing at 100% of potential. Suggesting we need to be at peak performance in the Autumn is ridiculous. Real Madrid finished 2nd in their group the last 2 years, and still won the CL. The double standards on this forum are absurd.

Allegri did that through the knockouts in 16-17 when we steamrolled Porto, Barca, Monaco on the way to a final, where we met up with an all-time great Madrid team that steamrolled us in a nightmare second half.

Pretty sure most of us recognize we need to be more ruthless in the knockouts this year if we want to fulfil our potential as a CL favourite. But suggesting we should aspire to be more like PSG or ManCity is nonsense. Those two clubs have outspent everyone and have still failed year after year in Europe early on.
Completely agree
 

Hist

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Imagine if Juventus hadn't gotten past CL quarterfinals (PSG) or semifinals (ManCity) in the last 10 years, despite outspending everyone in football. Let's play more like City and PSG tho. Great recipe for European success. :rofl::baus:
Yeah they should learn from Juve how to be a European success. Titles Galore.

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:tup: Of course it is. But like many of us have said, the meat of the season is from January onwards. That's when I care about playing at 100% of potential. Suggesting we need to be at peak performance in the Autumn is ridiculous. Real Madrid finished 2nd in their group the last 2 years, and still won the CL. The double standards on this forum are absurd.

Allegri did that through the knockouts in 16-17 when we steamrolled Porto, Barca, Monaco on the way to a final, where we met up with an all-time great Madrid team that steamrolled us in a nightmare second half.

Pretty sure most of us recognize we need to be more ruthless in the knockouts this year if we want to fulfil our potential as a CL favourite. But suggesting we should aspire to be more like PSG or ManCity is nonsense. Those two clubs have outspent everyone and have still failed year after year in Europe early on.
Largely agree with you. But we should be more ruthless in general not just at the latter stage of the season. First 2 thirds of the season don't have to be this painful, especially when the opposition are so weak.
 

napoleonic

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:tup: Of course it is. But like many of us have said, the meat of the season is from January onwards. That's when I care about playing at 100% of potential. Suggesting we need to be at peak performance in the Autumn is ridiculous. Real Madrid finished 2nd in their group the last 2 years, and still won the CL. The double standards on this forum are absurd.

Allegri did that through the knockouts in 16-17 when we steamrolled Porto, Barca, Monaco on the way to a final, where we met up with an all-time great Madrid team that steamrolled us in a nightmare second half.

Pretty sure most of us recognize we need to be more ruthless in the knockouts this year if we want to fulfil our potential as a CL favourite. But suggesting we should aspire to be more like PSG or ManCity is nonsense. Those two clubs have outspent everyone and have still failed year after year in Europe early on.
Load of bullcrap... Still believing in this energy conservation bullcrap when literally every other teams don't do it.

Can you even explain how other teams, other coaches don't conserve energy, and able to win 3-0 or more with style on regular basis? And somehow we are the one anomaly?

If not then STFU once and for all.
 

Post Ironic

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Load of bullcrap... Still believing in this energy conservation bullcrap when literally every other teams don't do it.

Can you even explain how other teams, other coaches don't conserve energy, and able to win 3-0 or more with style on regular basis? And somehow we are the one anomaly?

If not then STFU once and for all.
:rofl:

Real Madrid finishing second in CL group stage both of the last two seasons before going on to win the title was really indicative of how they always win 3-0 with style at all times of year. :baus:
 

juve103423

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It seems that the main disagreement is that some believe that our current tactics and style of play, is related to our tactics and style of play in 3 months, and some, like Post_ironic believe that its completely unrelated, as Allegri simply uses a switch.

For me the worrying/disappointing part is that this group of players we currently have, on paper could equal the golden periods of Real and Barca. But it seems very unlikely right now, that we will be able to convert. However I will try to be patient and wait and see if Allegri triggers the switch come March 1st was it?
 

napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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It seems that the main disagreement is that some believe that our current tactics and style of play, is related to our tactics and style of play in 3 months, and some, like Post_ironic believe that its completely unrelated, as Allegri simply uses a switch.

For me the worrying/disappointing part is that this group of players we currently have, on paper could equal the golden periods of Real and Barca. But it seems very unlikely right now, that we will be able to convert. However I will try to be patient and wait and see if Allegri triggers the switch come March 1st was it?
good luck waiting for an imaginary switch that practically doesn't exist on other teams and other coaches. :lol:
 

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