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sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
2,723
I hope we will not lose our identity to become more attractive for the plastic fans.

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I have to stop you there brother. 'Tradition' and 'identity' etc. Are just fluffy words and not quantifiable. Identity and tradition simply happen with time. Man City has an identity now, let's call it a 'rich club' identity. Still pretty good I would say.

Italian football has been held back due to all these 'tradition' and 'identity' romance. These causes reluctance to adapt and move on with time and capitalise.

I was fully behind the logo change as I saw that juve wanted to create a brand, not just a football club. And the aim is to increase income and status. The people who were complaining about it are the people who still used pigeons to send letters.
 

sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
2,723
if you isolate the situations of some of the goals, than maybe yes. But im talking about the game as a whole.

We always looked like the little insecure brother trying to join the big boys in those game
Yes I agree that we appear to be too respectful as well. With that kind of mentality, even in press conference, you are already half way to losing the final. Hence I have wrote a script for mandzukic to say at our press conference, if we ever make it to the final again. It goes:

"All these so called big team, Madrid Barca Man City, they ain't nobody to us. They don't have our quality or our big black and white balls. Come Saturday, we devour them. When is 11 players go to war, all 10million juve fans go to war. We are not here to take part in the final, we here to take over the final." And then he proceeds to light a cigar and stub it in the champions league cup, sparking outrage all over media, and creating fear in opponents ueart.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.

Are you even serious? Ffs... :sick: :snoop:
 
May 23, 2013
4,312
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.
Except Allegri has 3 doubles and 2 CL finals within the last 3 years while Mourinho has the Manure Europa, Carling, and Community Shield treble. Not to mention with like 1/3 of the budget.

But I somewhat agree with what you are saying as when I saw Man U vs Arsenal it reminded me of Napoli vs us a bit. Only difference is we let 0 chances against a better team than Arsenal while United could have easily let in 7 if not for De Gea. Manchester play like a bootleg Juventus as far as im concerned.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Allegri: 'Verona dangerous for Juventus’ | Football Italia

Massimiliano Allegri warns his players against complacency tomorrow - “Juventus haven’t won at Verona since 2001…”

The Bianconeri are second in Serie A and haven’t conceded a goal in their last eight games, and they face the Butei tomorrow.

“What’s on paper doesn’t count,” Allegri warned in his pre-match Press conference.

“What matters is the pitch. Among other things, Juventus haven’t won at Verona [in Serie A] since 2001, and have lost so many times.

“I think Juventus have lost 10 times in 17 games at Verona, and only won seven times so tomorrow is a game for us where we need to take three points.

“There are some matches, like the big head-to-head games, where anything can happen and some where nothing but winning can happen, all you can do is take the three points.

“Tomorrow is one of those games, because with anything else we’d be throwing away everything we did this month, so we need to try and stay close to Napoli, because we have two important league matches before the winter break and we want to close our the first half of the season in the best way.”

Allegri was then asked which players he has available for tomorrow.

“[Miralem] Pjanic won’t be there, just as [Gigi] Buffon won’t be there, just as [Mattia] De Sciglio won’t be there and [Juan] Cuadrado won’t be there. They definitely won’t be there.

“Cuadrado has another inflammation in his pubis, so he’s out. We hope to have him for Wednesday, but it’s very difficult.

“One of [Rodrigo] Bentancur or [Claudio] Marchsio will play in place of Pjanic, or we’ll move to a two-man midfield. I have to evaluate the last day of training and then we’ll decide.

“Bentancur is a 20-year-old kid in an important squad like Juventus’ and he’s always been called upon, and when he has been he’s done well.

“He’s growing, and just like everyone else he must improve, not least because he’s a young lad.”

Could Marko Pjaca be loaned out in January to get more playing time after his knee injury?

“We’ll talk to the lad and evaluate things, since he hasn’t played for nine months and he needs to be playing.

“So we’ll talk to him and we’ll decide what’s best for him and for Juventus, because he’s an important player.”

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Allegri: 'Dybala likely to play’ | Football Italia

Juventus Coach Max Allegri says it’s “likely” Paulo Dybala will play against Verona, but says comparisons “should never have been made” to Lionel Messi.

The Argentine forward has been benched for the past three Serie A games, but he could be brought back into the fold for tomorrow’s trip to the Bentegodi.

“No-one needs to rest because the lads have worked well in the last week,” Allegri assured in his pre-match Press conference.

“In fact we’ve been working with a different intensity for the last two weeks because we’ve had a bit more time.

“This week it’s been the same, among other things we’ve have three days - Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday - for important work.

“It could be that all three [strikers] play together, absolutely, because no-one needs to rest. Dubala could come back, so as a result it’s likely that all three will play together.

“Dybala is calm, he’s trained well in the last week and as I’ve has tomorrow he could play from the first minute again.

“The relationship with him absolutely hasn’t changed, also because Dybala came to Juventus three years ago and I think he’s grown a lot, Juventus put even more emphasis on his qualities and he’s given a lot to Juventus.

“In my opinion, he still has huge margins for improvement. The comparisons which were made at the start [of the season] were damaging for Paulo, but fortunately he’s a smart lad and he understands you can’t compare a lad of 24 to two sacred monsters of football [Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo], who have won 10 Ballons d’Or.

“Plus there’s Neymar who is another that is close. So Paulo has to make his own way and not be compared to any other player.

“He has his own qualities, he’s an extraordinary player. You just have to watch him to see he’s different from the others.

“But these comparisons which were made were a bit damaging, these are comparisons which can not and should not be made, you can’t compare a 24-year-old lad to two who have won 10 Ballons d’Or. But in Italy…

“It’s not just Dybala, Dybala is the least of that problem. There are lads who play half an hour and the next day they’re worth €40m.

“'The future of Italian football is this lad’, 'we’ve found the new Andrea Pirlo’… no. There was only one Pirlo, and it will be many years before another Pirlo is born.

“Lads have to be left to grow, for a player to be great he has to show it in at least 100 matches in Serie A. Not 100 appearances, 100 matches. Right now after two games we throw everything on these lads.

“I understand that the world has changed, but it’s too much, and it’s normal that they can get lost in it. How many of these lads have been lost in the arc of their careers?

“Before there was patience in Italian football, and a knowledge of how to wait because Italian football is different to the others.

“In Argentina you play in the first team at 17 or 18, that’s how they do it in the Netherlands, in Spain…

“In Italy though it’s always been that players peaked at the right age - between 25 and 26. So you have to let them grow normally, without trying to rush things.”

Moise Kean, who is on loan from Juve, could play tomorrow and has thanked Allegri for being hard on him and not allowing him to become big-headed.

“He’s doing well at Verona, he’s a lad who was born in 2000 and has important qualities. He has to improve technically, so he needs to work but he’s understood you need to make sacrifices to reach certain levels.

“That’s an important thing.”

The Coach was then asked what he’d say to Mario Mandzukic if he asked for advice about leaving, whether he should stay in Europe or go elsewhere.

“Mario definitely wouldn’t ask me for advice, for one simple reason,” Allegri responded.

“Mario is so competitive that at this point going to a league where there isn’t much competition would be difficult to accept.

“Mario will stay at Juventus.”

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'Juventus could change midfield’ | Football Italia

Juventus Coach Max Allegri admits he switched to a midfield three because “we conceded a lot of goals” at the start of the season, but could change it tomorrow.

Miralem Pjanic is out injured for the trip to Verona, but with three central midfielders the Bianconeri have kept eight clean sheets in a row.

“There’s no ideal pair, because I have so many players who can play together,” Allegri explained in his Press conference today.

“There’s [Sami] Khedira-[Blaise] Matuidi, [Rodrigo] Bentancur-Khedira, [Claudio] Marchisio-Matuidi… all pairs who could play together.

“All I have to evaluate is Matuidi, because he missed half a training session and returned to the squad yesterday, so I need to see what condition he’s in.

“Last year we played with two midfielders and four in attack, and one of those in the middle of the park was Pjanic, but the two wingers worked really hard and helped a lot in defence.

“At the start of this season we conceded a lot of goals, so I had to change it a bit.

“Maybe in a month or two we’ll play with one in midfield, or play with three at the back, it just depends on the situation.

“The most important thing is for the team to know how to play in various systems and interpret games according to how we have to deal with them.

“Tomorrow? I still have to evaluate the defence, [Andrea] Barzagli will be rested because he’s coming off a period where he’s played a lot so between [Giorgio] Chiellini, [Daniele] Rugani and [Medhi] Benatia, two will play.

“[Stephan] Lichtsteiner will come back in, then on the left I have to choose between Alex [Sandro] and [Kwadwo] Asamoah.

“On Wednesday we have the quarter-final of the Coppa Italia, a derby [with Torino] in which we have to go through.

“Right now Cuadrado is out so we can play with three in midfield and three up-front with very different characteristics.

“Then we’ve got a game three days after that, and with Torino maybe [Gonzalo] Higuain could stay out, or [Mario] Mandzukic could say out, or [Paulo] Dybala could stay out.

“Then, two days after that, we have Cagliari and then we come back in a month when maybe someone will have dropped off a bit and will have to stay out.

“Or maybe we’ll rest someone to give him a bit of extra motivation: sometimes the bench can be good.

“The important thing is for there to be competition within the group as there is now, everyone is in good shape.

“No-one likes the bench so they’re all working hard. I think that’s important, because Juventus have a very good squad and everyone should be looking to do more than their teammate.

“The important thing - as I always say - is that each individual makes himself available to the others, because at the end of the day it’s them who win.

“So those who give us great satisfaction will be the ones who go onto the pitch.”

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Max easily has the longest interviews :lol:
@zizinho - he said Mario stays

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“Or maybe we’ll rest someone to give him a bit of extra motivation: sometimes the bench can be good.
@Kyle bow down hoe :howler:
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,501
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.



@Fr3sh
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,965
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.
When you say "we" you really mean "you".
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
I have to stop you there brother. 'Tradition' and 'identity' etc. Are just fluffy words and not quantifiable. Identity and tradition simply happen with time. Man City has an identity now, let's call it a 'rich club' identity. Still pretty good I would say.

Italian football has been held back due to all these 'tradition' and 'identity' romance. These causes reluctance to adapt and move on with time and capitalise.

I was fully behind the logo change as I saw that juve wanted to create a brand, not just a football club. And the aim is to increase income and status. The people who were complaining about it are the people who still used pigeons to send letters.
:tup:
 

Monty

Tuz Royalty
May 2, 2017
2,592
When you go on Redcafe, you realize that a lot of the complaints Manure fans have about their team are identical to the complaints we have about Juve.

Juve and Manure have very similar strengths and weaknesses. We are hard to break down and organized defensively. When the onus is on us to attack, we are slow, static and predictable. We rely on individual brilliance rather than a plan going forward. We don't keep possession in big games, instead we press and try to hit our opponent on the counter. We are a disrupting team rather than a controlling one.

Allegri and Mourinho are cut from the same cloth, they have the same football philosophy and go into big games with the same mentality.
Wait i thought @zizinho gave you an account for the liverpool forum? Did you go and join redcafe instead? I think you've confused the two red jerseys...
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Wait i thought @zizinho gave you an account for the liverpool forum? Did you go and join redcafe instead? I think you've confused the two red jerseys...
ive sent him his username and password via PM, but he still didnt use it. seems like a hesitant person so id give him some more time
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
I don't understand why everyone is getting so angry. Mourinho, despite his faults, is one of the most successful managers of this generation. It's not like I was insulting Allegri by pointing out that his football philosophy is similar to Mourinho.
 

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