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Raz

Raz

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Fred said:
Capello especially won league titles at three different clubs; Milan, Roma and Real Madrid. Those are two of the biggest leagues in the world, when he won it with both Roma and Real Madrid(the second time), the odds were stacked against him and he wasn't really expected to win. I don't know what your definition of limited is, but obviously the guy was able to win titles in different clubs and leagues.
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Capello is great in league games, he grinds them out, he is utterly shit in CL.
 

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Seven

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
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Fred said:
I don't necessarily disagree. But once you want to start playing this game of giving credit to coaches you like, and then dismissing others for similar achievements, it becomes a slippery slope.

Most coaches who are successful would naturally have the best teams or close to it. Lippi won things with the likes of Del Piero, Zidane, Inzaghi, Nedved, Deschamps, Davids, Montero, Zambrotta, Buffon and Peruzzi. Nobody can argue that Lippi's teams were one of the best in the world at the time, yet Zach doesn't want to give credit to Capello for winning the league with Roma, or the leagues he won with Milan. It doesn't make sense, you either give credit to a coach for managing to organize a group of strong individuals or you don't, but you can't have it both ways.
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I was reading this and I was thinking, yeah, he's already dropping down to his knees, he's unbuckling his belt, taking down his pants, it's only a matter of time before..


Fred said:
Whatever the approaches may be, it seems to work for them. We can discuss different approaches all day long, but both Capello and Pep have won a shitload of trophies, to say they had amazing squads does not detract from the work that they've done. Lippi had just as good a squad as either of those two, yet people like Zach see it fit to give credit to Lippi, but not to the other two.

The even bigger problem is, if you really examine Zach's views, when the discussion is about managers, he would say Pep had an amazing squad and thats why he won so much with Barcelona. But if the discussion is about players, he would tell you that Del Piero at his prime was better than Messi, Zidane better than Xavi and Iniesta, Busquets is an average player, Pique is a poor defender. These are all valid opinions mind you I'm not saying they aren't, but you can't have it both ways. If Pep won so much at Barcelona because he had an amazing squad, yet when you compare individual players by his judgment Lippi had the better players. Therefore it follows that Zach has to think that Lippi isn't really a great manager, he only won so much because he had an amazing set of players.
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BOOM. Pep explosion!



I get your point though. Zach is just wrong. The only measure you have is winning and obviously no matter how good of a manager you are, you can't win with poor players. But history has also provided us with lots of examples of great players who didn't win shit because of managerial mishaps. Great players and great managers make great teams. It's not rocket science.
 

Zacheryah

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Fred said:
Capello especially won league titles at three different clubs; Milan, Roma and Real Madrid. Those are two of the biggest leagues in the world, when he won it with both Roma and Real Madrid(the second time), the odds were stacked against him and he wasn't really expected to win. I don't know what your definition of limited is, but obviously the guy was able to win titles in different clubs and leagues.
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He had the best milan which was tailored to his exact approach
He had a fantastic real madrid when barcelona was chocking most of the time

Roma was his biggest achievement. And looking at that team, it again had the players he specifically needs, coupled with some peasants called "batistuta", "Totti" and "Montella" up front. Nothing serious i'm sure
 

Zacheryah

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Seven said:
I was reading this and I was thinking, yeah, he's already dropping down to his knees, he's unbuckling his belt, taking down his pants, it's only a matter of time before..





BOOM. Pep explosion!



I get your point though. Zach is just wrong. The only measure you have is winning and obviously no matter how good of a manager you are, you can't win with poor players. But history has also provided us with lots of examples of great players who didn't win shit because of managerial mishaps. Great players and great managers make great teams. It's not rocket science.
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Wat
 

Zacheryah

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Dominic said:
Nah Capello's madrid was a mess playerwise, which only started grinding for results late in the season.
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Canizaires

Roberto carlos
Hierro
sanchis
ze roberto (panucci at capelo's request at winter)

Redondo (just about the best cm in history)
Guti
Seedorf

Raul
Suker
mijatovic


What a mess mate. What a fucking collection of peasant filth
 
Hængebøffer

Hængebøffer

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Dominic said:
Nah Capello's madrid was a mess playerwise, which only started grinding for results late in the season.
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Yup. Everyone overrated post 2003 Real Madrid. They were always mentioned as one of the favourites to the CL title every season, even though they got knocked out early for almost 10 years. And to teams like Lyon and Roma.
They had the most retarded transfer policy in that period.
 
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