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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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While i dont see parking the bus in turin i think we will frequently be dropping back into our own half, especially the 3 attacking midd because that is how our team defends, even against much weaker sides than barca the wingers do a lot of tracking back so we will likely be looking to hit barca on the break as often as possible.

As for the mentioned benefits of stu does cuadrado not also offer that? He bombs up and down the flank pressuring opposition defenders and dropping back to track his man he just has the added benefit of being able to attack which sturaro has none of.

Im not cuadrados biggest fan but he would be the first name on the team sheet in both ties against barca. And your suggestion of attempting to keep the ball and dictate with sturaro playing as an attacking midfielder is giving me terrifying flashbacks of that time he had the ball at his feet and then forgot where it was :scared:

I could see the value of someone like stu against barca but not in our current setup. He is too poor to rely on on the counter as attacking mid and our cms should be staying deep and compact instead of running instead of playing Stu style. Maybe bring him on as sub if we get a lead and an attacking player tires
IM really worried about all this.
We are having injury issues and still we can find a set plan to work because all the ones we try to use are flawed or with a glaring weakness.

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zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
While i dont see parking the bus in turin i think we will frequently be dropping back into our own half, especially the 3 attacking midd because that is how our team defends, even against much weaker sides than barca the wingers do a lot of tracking back so we will likely be looking to hit barca on the break as often as possible.

As for the mentioned benefits of stu does cuadrado not also offer that? He bombs up and down the flank pressuring opposition defenders and dropping back to track his man he just has the added benefit of being able to attack which sturaro has none of.

Im not cuadrados biggest fan but he would be the first name on the team sheet in both ties against barca. And your suggestion of attempting to keep the ball and dictate with sturaro playing as an attacking midfielder is giving me terrifying flashbacks of that time he had the ball at his feet and then forgot where it was :scared:

I could see the value of someone like stu against barca but not in our current setup. He is too poor to rely on on the counter as attacking mid and our cms should be staying deep and compact instead of running instead of playing Stu style. Maybe bring him on as sub if we get a lead and an attacking player tires
my main 2 concerns, and reasons id start Sturaro over Cuadrado are:
1. were gonna be outnumbered in the middle, which would be OK if we had Vidal-Mascherano. but not with Sami-Pjanic. they are gonna have Messi central, backed up by Iniesta and Rakitic, which is a problem even if a team has the numbers against them. Mandzukic and Sturaro would help the CMs to contain them, and while Cuadrado could do a good job at defending too, i dont think he will be able to play offense-defense constantly for 90 minutes at a high level.
2. by starting Jjuan with Mandzukic, Dybala and Higuain, we have no attacking options on the bench to sub in. this could become a problem in the last 20 minutes or so when our attackers get tired and fagca would likely still try to get a goal at that point. Max would have to react, and we all saw what happened last season vs Bayern when we subbed in an injured Mandzukic and a just recovered Pereyra for Cuadrado and Morata. a fresh Cuadrado could do wonders for us if we sub him in around 65th-70th minute against a tired fagca team

about the points you mention - yes, we might give up some counter attack opportunities due to Cuadrado not starting the game. but we would still have Dybala and Higuain upfront. and Alex Sandro coming from the left side. so yes, we would be less dangerous on the counter without Cuadrado but not toothless.

Cuadrado can do a good job as a defensive winger too, but again i wouldnt want to encouter them with no attackers on the bench. basically what i have in mind for Sturaro is support DA to stop Neymar as well as Pjanic-Khedira to stop Messi-Iniesta. hes gonna have to do a hell lot of running and Cuadrado could get exhausted at this task later in the 2nd half which would leave fagca a lot of space.

Sturaro wouldnt be an attacking midfielder. hed stay wide, so he wouldnt have much contacts with the ball. hed provide cover for DA who would go forward and pass the ball to him or Pjanic or Dybala when receiving a pass or when recovering it. or put in a cross when having space.we obviously wont run our attacks through him

i dont see a better player on our current bench than him for the job i had in mind. hed bring energy and defensive stability to our midfield and right side. hes not the best player on offense, but we have other guys who can create something. we dont however have many physical mids like him who will put in as much defensive work as he would. maybe we could start Cuadrado too and go with a 433, but i dont see Allegri bench Dybala for such a game if hes healthy
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
This may sound crazy, but why not have Sturaro and Marchisio in the 2 midfield slots, and put Cuadrado upfront?


With Alves playing RB, we know two things are going to be certain.

#1) He will play no defense worth mentioning whatsoever
#2) He will also not stay on the right flank. He drifts. He can't help it.


Have Sturaro to hold it down in the middle of the pitch with Marchisio, and let the front 4, and Alves, go wild.
Sturaro should be nowhere near the starting 11 in games that matter. He's a headless chicken, and a disaster waiting to happen. He is a tireless runner and possesses boundless energy, but his passing is disgraceful rendering him the footballing equivalent of a kid with Down's Syndrome.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
This may sound crazy, but why not have Sturaro and Marchisio in the 2 midfield slots, and put Cuadrado upfront?


With Alves playing RB, we know two things are going to be certain.

#1) He will play no defense worth mentioning whatsoever
#2) He will also not stay on the right flank. He drifts. He can't help it.


Have Sturaro to hold it down in the middle of the pitch with Marchisio, and let the front 4, and Alves, go wild.
i dont think Allegri would start Sturaro in a midfield 2. hed get the job done defensively most likely, but hed be playing infront of the CBs so we cant risk any passing mistakes there.

starting Licht-Cuadrado could be an option too, but somehow i trust Dani more than Licht because he knows Neymar and the rest of the players better. if he doesent get caught out of position often that is, 1on1 he should be fine
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
We can play a 3-4-1-2 vs Barcelona with Rugani, Chiellini, and Bonucci in defense, Cuadrado and Alex Sandro on the flanks, Marchisio and Khedira in midfield, with Pjanic operating behind Dybala and Higuain.

A variation of that, a 3-4-3 with Dybala and Mandzukic supporting Higuain in a trident, and Marchisio dropping to the bench is also a possibility.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,654
I'm so not a fan of playing a 3 man backline vs. a winger based formations. WB's have to stay back and you'll get outnumbered in midfield, BUT if it really has to be a 3 man backline, then in a 343/3421, so that you are actually able to double the flanks.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
We can play a 3-4-1-2 vs Barcelona with Rugani, Chiellini, and Bonucci in defense, Cuadrado and Alex Sandro on the flanks, Marchisio and Khedira in midfield, with Pjanic operating behind Dybala and Higuain.

A variation of that, a 3-4-3 with Dybala and Mandzukic supporting Higuain in a trident, and Marchisio dropping to the bench is also a possibility.
why would we need 3 CBs vs them though? wed have Cuadrado and Rugani vs Neymar which could be a problem if Cuadrado isnt fast enough to get back into position.

i dont think we will have much problems creating vs them. Busquets is out, they play with 3 CBs of which Macherano is on the right side, and Pique and Umtiti arent that good. wed just need to get the ball to Dani and Dybala often enough. also think Higuain will score in both games
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
8,799
Awesome suggestions. Farca is amazing in attack, good in MF and terrible in the back so we should play Stu in a defensive tactic scheme to let them do what they are best and don't take any advantage of their fragile defense...

When we started this 4-2-3-1 we used to start every game with a high pressure and early goals. We should do the same, thank god Max saw how PSG with high pressure scores 4.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,290
why would we need 3 CBs vs them though? wed have Cuadrado and Rugani vs Neymar which could be a problem if Cuadrado isnt fast enough to get back into position.

i dont think we will have much problems creating vs them. Busquets is out, they play with 3 CBs of which Macherano is on the right side, and Pique and Umtiti arent that good. wed just need to get the ball to Dani and Dybala often enough. also think Higuain will score in both games
Actually Umtiti is a joke.I don't know how he pis a starter for Barcelona.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
All this incredible complaining cause we had a bunch of games to grind through.


Go 4-2-3-1 with the expected lineup. Press high down the flanks and make sure the middle remains locked for dat central counterattack.

Play Sandro/ManBro and Alves/Cuadrado on the wings.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
The same Alves who knows Neymar in and out from his time at Barcelona and the national team ?
I wouldn't say the benefit of having played together is always on defender, Napoli defenders also should know Higuain movements by heart, but he still scored match winners in 2 out of 3 games against them this season. I am not sure Alves vs Neymar is such a good idea, Allegri himself said some time ago that Alves might not start the Barca games
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,357
Alves should start just for his experience and offensive attributes. There's no reason to start Swissman over him. Not at home at least.
 

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