Massimiliano Allegri (185 Viewers)

[KB824]

After Max said wednesday is a more important game I think this was totally the idea. Use Licht and Asa in serie A and Alves and AS for copa and UCL.

I didn't even know that he had said that.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

I can kind of understand the need to have those two out there last night, even if it was extremely risky.


I'm looking at this from two vantage points.

#1) Best case scenario, we pull off a win, and go 8 points up, and effectively knock Napoli out of the running for good. Worst case scenario, we lose the match, yet are still up 5. The middle ground was achieved.

#2) Asa and Licht started last night, Alves and Sandro start in an elimination match on Wednesday, Asa and Licht again at home against Chievo, and Alves and Sandro against Barcelona on a week's rest.


My concern, and one that was a big one of mine from the start of this formation change, is the lack of flexibility upfront.

This has been a concern for a while now but i think allegri will rotate mandzukic with A Sandro, Dybala with Pjanic and cuadrado with lemina or alves when possible

 

[KB824]

This has been a concern for a while now but i think allegri will rotate mandzukic with A Sandro, Dybala with Pjanic and cuadrado with lemina or alves when possible

Maybe he has done this and I probably missed it, but I'm a little surprised that he has not yet put both Asamoah and Sandro on the left in a 4-2-3-1.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Pretty sure he hasnt yet but im speciulating that if hes ok playing lemina at RW then cmon sandro has tp make a better winger. Maybe manbro is just immune to fatigue tho

 

[zizinho]

The solution is quite simple imo

Buffon
Dani Alves Bonucci Chiellini Alex Sandro
Pjanic Khedira
Sturaro Dybala Mandzukic
Higuain​

Let the fullbacks carry the offensive load from the wings (and we all know DA and AS are well capable offensive weapons) and have Mandzukic and Sturaro press, cover for the FBs, and help our thin central midfield out defensively. With benching Cuadrado we keep atleast one offensive option to sub in and change the pace of the game, instead of playing them all at the same time with no bench. With Licht and Asa, we can also play DA and AS in more advanced roles if needed. Use Lemina (RM), Rincon (AM), Marchisio (CM), Mattiello (LM) and put Mandzukic at CF to rest Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (and Mandzukic) when needed. That is also the starting XI id field vs fagca

 

[X Æ A-12]

Not starting cuadrado against Barca would be insanity. There goes out counter attacking threat. They may as well pull up high as possible and have nothing to worry about. Plus i dont think you want the fullbacks carrying our offensive threat then expecting them to sprint back to catch messi and neymar

 

[icemaη]

Not starting cuadrado against Barca would be insanity. There goes out counter attacking threat. They may as well pull up high as possible and have nothing to worry about. Plus i dont think you want the fullbacks carrying our offensive threat then expecting them to sprint back to catch messi and neymar

Indeed.
I'd rather go gung-ho at the start, get our goals and then go lock-down. While we haven't been as solid defensively as we could be, I'm more confident of us locking down than chasing a game in the last minutes.

 

[dolph]

The solution is quite simple imo

Buffon
Dani Alves Bonucci Chiellini Alex Sandro
Pjanic Khedira
Sturaro Dybala Mandzukic
Higuain​

Let the fullbacks carry the offensive load from the wings (and we all know DA and AS are well capable offensive weapons) and have Mandzukic and Sturaro press, cover for the FBs, and help our thin central midfield out defensively. With benching Cuadrado we keep atleast one offensive option to sub in and change the pace of the game, instead of playing them all at the same time with no bench. With Licht and Asa, we can also play DA and AS in more advanced roles if needed. Use Lemina (RM), Rincon (AM), Marchisio (CM), Mattiello (LM) and put Mandzukic at CF to rest Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (and Mandzukic) when needed. That is also the starting XI id field vs fagca

Are you seriously suggesting starting fucking Disco Stu in a CHL QF against Barca?

 

[Wittl]

Are you seriously suggesting starting $#@!ing Disco Stu in a CHL QF against Barca?

Yes, he is.
Stu is made for big games.
http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42503-Champions-League-2016-2017?p=5485093&viewfull=1#post5485093

 

[dolph]

Yes, he is.
Stu is made for big games.
http://www.juventuz.com/threads/42503-Champions-League-2016-2017?p=5485093&viewfull=1#post5485093

Stu is made for the bench. Fucking horrible footballplayer.

 

[Hydde]

Indeed.
I'd rather go gung-ho at the start, get our goals and then go lock-down. While we haven't been as solid defensively as we could be, I'm more confident of us locking down than chasing a game in the last minutes.

It would have been a nice plan if we had still morata to fuck them on counters.

As of now, if we park the bus, the pressure becomes unsustainable.

 

[zizinho]

Not starting cuadrado against Barca would be insanity. There goes out counter attacking threat. They may as well pull up high as possible and have nothing to worry about. Plus i dont think you want the fullbacks carrying our offensive threat then expecting them to sprint back to catch messi and neymar

you think we will defend deep and counterattack in Turin? i dont think so. we have players like Pjanic, Alves, Dybala, Higuain. i can see us wanting to keep the ball and dictate the game at home atleast. our central midfield is the most vulnerable part of our lineup, and fagca has Messi and Iniesta there + Rakitic who will make forward runs. we play with Pjanic on the right side of the midfield, Dani also plays on that side + Dybala comes wide at times and tries to create something with Dani. Barca has 2 fantastic playmakers in the middle, and Neymar on our right side. most of our creativity comes from the side we will have to defend the most, so we need to balance it out somehow. Sturaro will press on Umtiti and Rakitic, will help out Dani on Neymar when he has the ball, and will help Pjanic and Sami on Messi&Iniesta. we can then put in Cuadrado in the 2nd half for Dybala or Mandzukic to finish them off

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Are you seriously suggesting starting fucking Disco Stu in a CHL QF against Barca?

ofcourse. you need a ball winner in such games, and Big Game Stu is the best one we have

 

[Hydde]

I wonder if sturaro still remembers how to play... or remembers what our tactics are?.

Sending him headfirst against barcelona would be a good warming up for him for sure.

 

[spurdo]

The solution is quite simple imo

Buffon
Dani Alves Bonucci Chiellini Alex Sandro
Pjanic Khedira
Sturaro Dybala Mandzukic
Higuain​

Let the fullbacks carry the offensive load from the wings (and we all know DA and AS are well capable offensive weapons) and have Mandzukic and Sturaro press, cover for the FBs, and help our thin central midfield out defensively. With benching Cuadrado we keep atleast one offensive option to sub in and change the pace of the game, instead of playing them all at the same time with no bench. With Licht and Asa, we can also play DA and AS in more advanced roles if needed. Use Lemina (RM), Rincon (AM), Marchisio (CM), Mattiello (LM) and put Mandzukic at CF to rest Pjanic, Dybala, Higuain (and Mandzukic) when needed. That is also the starting XI id field vs fagca

 

[zizinho]

I wonder if sturaro still remembers how to play... or remembers what our tactics are?.

Sending him headfirst against barcelona would be a good warming up for him for sure.

thats why i said in another thread, we should play him next two games to get him ready

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[Wittl]

great

 

[KB824]

This may sound crazy, but why not have Sturaro and Marchisio in the 2 midfield slots, and put Cuadrado upfront?


With Alves playing RB, we know two things are going to be certain.

#1) He will play no defense worth mentioning whatsoever
#2) He will also not stay on the right flank. He drifts. He can't help it.


Have Sturaro to hold it down in the middle of the pitch with Marchisio, and let the front 4, and Alves, go wild.

 

[X Æ A-12]

you think we will defend deep and counterattack in Turin? i dont think so. we have players like Pjanic, Alves, Dybala, Higuain. i can see us wanting to keep the ball and dictate the game at home atleast. our central midfield is the most vulnerable part of our lineup, and fagca has Messi and Iniesta there + Rakitic who will make forward runs. we play with Pjanic on the right side of the midfield, Dani also plays on that side + Dybala comes wide at times and tries to create something with Dani. Barca has 2 fantastic playmakers in the middle, and Neymar on our right side. most of our creativity comes from the side we will have to defend the most, so we need to balance it out somehow. Sturaro will press on Umtiti and Rakitic, will help out Dani on Neymar when he has the ball, and will help Pjanic and Sami on Messi&Iniesta. we can then put in Cuadrado in the 2nd half for Dybala or Mandzukic to finish them off

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ofcourse. you need a ball winner in such games, and Big Game Stu is the best one we have

While i dont see parking the bus in turin i think we will frequently be dropping back into our own half, especially the 3 attacking midd because that is how our team defends, even against much weaker sides than barca the wingers do a lot of tracking back so we will likely be looking to hit barca on the break as often as possible.

As for the mentioned benefits of stu does cuadrado not also offer that? He bombs up and down the flank pressuring opposition defenders and dropping back to track his man he just has the added benefit of being able to attack which sturaro has none of.

Im not cuadrados biggest fan but he would be the first name on the team sheet in both ties against barca. And your suggestion of attempting to keep the ball and dictate with sturaro playing as an attacking midfielder is giving me terrifying flashbacks of that time he had the ball at his feet and then forgot where it was

I could see the value of someone like stu against barca but not in our current setup. He is too poor to rely on on the counter as attacking mid and our cms should be staying deep and compact instead of running instead of playing Stu style. Maybe bring him on as sub if we get a lead and an attacking player tires

 

[icemaη]

This may sound crazy, but why not have Sturaro and Marchisio in the 2 midfield slots, and put Cuadrado upfront?


With Alves playing RB, we know two things are going to be certain.

#1) He will play no defense worth mentioning whatsoever
#2) He will also not stay on the right flank. He drifts. He can't help it.


Have Sturaro to hold it down in the middle of the pitch with Marchisio, and let the front 4, and Alves, go wild.

Khedira will start for sure. I'm not his biggest fan, but he's been our most consistent midfielder this season.

 

[Dominic]

Better yet. Dont play Alves at all.

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It's pretty obvious that this was going to be a performance lacking energy, why it's a surprise is anyone's guess. International "break" - all of our 5 attackers went away, one got crippled, another game back with an injury problem, and the other 3 were playing half way across the world (and one of those went away and came back injured ).

All seems a bit daft really to persevere with the 4-2-3-1 for this particular game when we've got some many CMs and DCs just sitting around. Maybe Allegri expected us to be under too much defensive pressure bearing the above in mind if we went for that formation.

Yes. I think allegri couldve easily played something else yesterday.