Massimiliano Allegri (166 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Which one?

1 or 2 pages back.

It was nothing big. Bonucci shouted a question at allegri, he told him off, and bonucci fumbled out some swearing but allegri wouldnt have heard it.
I was made to believe that he was actually shouting abuse at allegri. Was nothing like it.




Its impossible to use del piero as the standard. Del Piero's gentleman exemplar professional behavior goes beyond anything.

 

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[JuveJay]

They're terrible for transfer rumours, but usually pretty spot on with things like this.

 

[Azzurri7]

1 or 2 pages back.

It was nothing big. Bonucci shouted a question at allegri, he told him off, and bonucci fumbled out some swearing but allegri wouldnt have heard it.
I was made to believe that he was actually shouting abuse at allegri. Was nothing like it.




Its impossible to use del piero as the standard. Del Piero's gentleman exemplar professional behavior goes beyond anything.

Thing is, if the press and media managed to read Allegri's words/lips and Bonnuci's then this is bad, and none of them denied anything which only leads to more than just a speculation of what has happened has some truth in it.

They should just shut the fvck up (not Allegri because he's not at fault but the players) and act like men, if there's something to be discussed do it in the dressing room not in public.

Inter do that in public, not Juve.

 

[Zacheryah]

They're terrible for transfer rumours, but usually pretty spot on with things like this.

i'm in favor of a fine. But i do love these "tuttosport believes"

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Thing is, if the press and media managed to read Allegri's words/lips and Bonnuci's then this is bad, and none of them denied anything which only leads to more than just a speculation of what has happened has some truth in it.

They should just shut the fvck up (not Allegri because he's not at fault but the players) and act like men, if there's something to be discussed do it in the dressing room not in public.

Inter do that in public, not Juve.

i think Bonucci wanted to raise awareness about a wrongly presumed mistake, as with lichtsteiner last time (allegri tought he was injured, he wasent)
Allegri wasent having it obviously and told him to shut it.



He should have kept it shut and swore in silence. He didnt, but he also didnt aimed them at allegri. So a fine is logical.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Allegri mediocre tactician? Allegri tactically is ahead of many top coaches in today's football.

Conte, Mourinho for instance are excellent motivators but tactically not better than Allegri and that's probably the minus in his book, but Lippi had the same character + personality and was one of the best.

You can't name 5 better coaches tactically than Allegri in the last 3 years.

All true.

Why argue with Turk though?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Allegri mediocre tactician? Allegri tactically is ahead of many top coaches in today's football.

Conte, Mourinho for instance are excellent motivators but tactically not better than Allegri and that's probably the minus in his book, but Lippi had the same character + personality and was one of the best.

You can't name 5 better coaches tactically than Allegri in the last 3 years.

I don't know about that. It took 3 years for him to come up with something new.

 

[Orgut]

Allegri mediocre tactician? Allegri tactically is ahead of many top coaches in today's football.

Conte, Mourinho for instance are excellent motivators but tactically not better than Allegri and that's probably the minus in his book, but Lippi had the same character + personality and was one of the best.

You can't name 5 better coaches tactically than Allegri in the last 3 years.

Well before he got here people were underrating him now I see he gets overrated..
Allegri is a good tactician, he is good with youngsters and above all is a winner! Is he the best 2nd best or 3rd best tactician in the world?! No Way! but it doesnt make him a bad tactician...

Conte and Ancelotti are definitely better while Mourinho (even if not really expressing it as he can) is better, Diego Simeone is very good while Klopp is being underrated greatly! Sousa is a very good tactician and Spaletti even through some will say otherwise is a good tactician!
To say who is better is not that much of a smart thing to say
I can say Conte is the best tactician IMO but it doesnt change the fact that after he left we got Allegri and a CL final...
The question that we should ask is not who is the best tactician but more of who is the best fit to lead Juve

P.S the locker room does seem to have some issues lately and I must say I always thought of him as a bad man to man manager (just remember Zlatan Allegri relationship - one more year and Zlatan would be sitting in jail after assassinating Allegri...)
Should we lose Allegri and get a new manager we will be fine as long as the new one understand the needs of our team but the thing Id want us to get the most in the manager is the motivator effect as I have never seen the guys more fired up than the time Conte was here! Our mediocre team (names wise) got an unbeaten season + beat Milan to the scudetto (even if the Muntari goal kind of helped us...)

 

[Hydde]

Whether the media is taking this out of proportion or not, and apart from the fact that Leo, Dybala and Lich are loved by the fans, they should not only be fined but benched at least in serie A for couple of matches to be an example to the rest of the team. This is not Inter and not even Del Piero as big as his name is and as much as he deserve to pull such a thing vs Capello did not do anything (at least not in public).

The only think i saw del piero doing was being mad at capello because of a sub, when capello was spamming Zlatan game in game out... and maybe with conte? but i dont remember. I for sure remember he was mad at capello tho... but never sweared or made tantrums.

Anyways, this sceneario should not repeat anymore. Good that Bonucci is getting fined and the ones who continue doing it should get fined too.

That said, Allegri should manage this shid better and fix whatever is happening with the players. They have never behaved like this, why now?.

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Well before he got here people were underrating him now I see he gets overrated..
Allegri is a good tactician, he is good with youngsters and above all is a winner! Is he the best 2nd best or 3rd best tactician in the world?! No Way! but it doesnt make him a bad tactician...

Conte and Ancelotti are definitely better while Mourinho (even if not really expressing it as he can) is better, Diego Simeone is very good while Klopp is being underrated greatly! Sousa is a very good tactician and Spaletti even through some will say otherwise is a good tactician!
To say who is better is not that much of a smart thing to say
I can say Conte is the best tactician IMO but it doesnt change the fact that after he left we got Allegri and a CL final...
The question that we should ask is not who is the best tactician but more of who is the best fit to lead Juve

P.S the locker room does seem to have some issues lately and I must say I always thought of him as a bad man to man manager (just remember Zlatan Allegri relationship - one more year and Zlatan would be sitting in jail after assassinating Allegri...)
Should we lose Allegri and get a new manager we will be fine as long as the new one understand the needs of our team but the thing Id want us to get the most in the manager is the motivator effect as I have never seen the guys more fired up than the time Conte was here! Our mediocre team (names wise) got an unbeaten season + beat Milan to the scudetto (even if the Muntari goal kind of helped us...)

Conte has for sure way better man management skills. About tactics...conte was a one trick pony here practically.... but i have to admit he seems to be getting A LOT more experience since he left us. Currently, he pretty much could be on par if not better than Allegri. His stubborness is the only think that limits him now.

If he goes, we should go for a high profile like carletto.

 

[Azzurri7]

I don't know about that. It took 3 years for him to come up with something new.

Are you referring to his tactical formation?

Because in his first year he almost won the treble and with Vidal + Pirlo + Pogba + Marchisio there was no other way other than 3-5-2 to play.

In his second year things were going just as good (not so in the first few matches in serie a) but an individual mistake vs Bayern knocked Juve out other-wise Juve were a finalist too but ...

This year, he tops the CL group vs dangerous Sevilla and above decent Lyon team, tops Serie a and going for the treble this year + playing some exciting football with this new formation.

To be honest, since Lippi no coach made a good impact in Europe (EL or Champions) other than Max.

Allegri may not be a great motivator but he's an excellent reader of a game and I can easily say that with him since he took charge except for the final CL vs Barcelona, no team really scares me in CL. I remember with below average Milan side he almost knocked Barca out (that penalty call on Nesta before Barca took the corner ruined it).

 

[Hydde]

I have to admit his 4312 and his 4231 formations have been spot on.

What i dont liked about Allegri on this is that both have been forced after a collection of bad results and performances, instead of him proactively pushing for this formations whenever he had the chance.

Before we used the 4312 for the first time, 2 years ago, we were at the verge of getting eliminated in the CL. After that change...we reached the CL final.

Now it seems we are getting back on track with the 4231, but this change was forced after the horrendous footbal we played in the first half of the season and the supercoppa debacle.

 

[Azzurri7]

Well before he got here people were underrating him now I see he gets overrated..
Allegri is a good tactician, he is good with youngsters and above all is a winner! Is he the best 2nd best or 3rd best tactician in the world?! No Way! but it doesnt make him a bad tactician

I don't know, but I give credits especially for the fact that his job wasn't as easy as some expected it.

To continue the winning cycle after dominating in Italy for 3 years? To me that's something.

Conte tactically isn't better, Conte is a 12th player like Mourinho, a voice and motivators players want to hear and feel before every match and it works, but are they tactically better? I doubt that but yes I'd give them the edge for a combination of two, motivators and good tactics.

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I have to admit his 4312 and his 4231 formations have been spot on.

What i dont liked about Allegri on this is that both have been forced after a collection of bad results and performances, instead of him proactively pushing for this formations whenever he had the chance.

Before we used the 4312 for the first time, 2 years ago, we were at the verge of getting eliminated in the CL. After that change...we reached the CL final.

Now it seems we are getting back on track with the 4231, but this change was forced after the horrendous footbal we played in the first half of the season and the supercoppa debacle.

Lets be honest, how many coaches would have the balls to play Mandzu in that role? Little bit late or not, I think Allegri deserves some credits for that move.

 

[Hydde]

I don't know, but I give credits especially for the fact that his job wasn't as easy as some expected it.

To continue the winning cycle after dominating in Italy for 3 years? To me that's something.

Conte tactically isn't better, Conte is a 12th player like Mourinho, a voice and motivators players want to hear and feel before every match and it works, but are they tactically better? I doubt that but yes I'd give them the edge for a combination of two, motivators and good tactics.

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Lets be honest, how many coaches would have the balls to play Mandzu in that role? Little bit late or not, I think Allegri deserves some credits for that move.

yeah, and im giving him that credit. I was pushing hard for a 4312, but to be honest we didnt had the midfielders to sustain that formation on the long run, at least not this season. His 4231 with mandz as a defensive winger was a stroke of genius no doubt, but even when he has the knowledge to do this kind of moves, he hesitates way too much, relying on our decaying 352.

Anyways, he finally got out of his shell and dropped the 352, so thats all that matter. The 352 could be upset tactically to counter a specific tactic in a game, or to seal it for example... but not as our go-to formation, not with the amount of attackers we have.

 

[JuveJay]

Tactically limited, good one.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Tactically limited, good one.

His ability to adapt tactically is probably one of his greatest strengths, and has served us well in Europe so far... Tactically limited is the last thing one could call Allegri.

 

[Albo]

Definitely lost the dressing room. Mediocre tactician, bad motivator. Has to go.

 

[Post Ironic]

Under Allegri we've played 3-5-2, 4-3-1-2, 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1

Tactically limited.

The guy almost tinkers too much if anything.

 

[Hydde]

Under Allegri we've played 3-5-2, 4-3-1-2, 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1

Tactically limited.

The guy almost tinkers too much if anything.

It would be that way if he switched those formations game in game out, but thats not the case and he usually deployed 352 and 352 only. We indeed used those formations u mentioned, but wree the result of forced changes or certain very specific desperate situations, like the milan game when we put all our attackers on the field.

Anyways, using 5 or 6 formations doesnt make a coach better than other. What matter is to make ur team properly play to its strenght with the formations. Im ok with us using 2, even 1 formation,,as long as it gets the best of our players.

 

[DAiDEViL]

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[Fr3sh]

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[DAiDEViL]

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