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If you want to give him a free role, you need someone covering the space behind him when the opponent is able to play through our first pressure. That should be the RCM. You dont have one in a 4-2-3-1. In a 4-3-3, when we have the ball he would drift from the right wing, in between the defense and midfield to find space between the line, and he can set up play from there. When defending he would have to pressure the opposition LB, when we do the full field pressure. If we decide to sit deeper, we shift shape to a 4-4-2, pushing the RCM wide.
It would not ruin him if the set up and role is suited for him. Thats why we keep mentioning Messi role at Barca. Does it ruin him to be the RWF in a 4-3-3?
If you ask him to be a traditionel winger, chasing down the opponent FB, keeping the field wide, dribling past opponents then I agree, it would not suit him, but thats not what anybody is arguing.
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I was being sarcastic dude. Loving the new setup. Hope we continue with it.
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FFS you are missing the point. RWF with a free role and limited defensive duties is not the same as a traditionel winger, so you dont need the same attributes as a traditionel winger to play it.
It would not ruin him if the set up and role is suited for him. Thats why we keep mentioning Messi role at Barca. Does it ruin him to be the RWF in a 4-3-3?
If you ask him to be a traditionel winger, chasing down the opponent FB, keeping the field wide, dribling past opponents then I agree, it would not suit him, but thats not what anybody is arguing.
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I was being sarcastic dude. Loving the new setup. Hope we continue with it.
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Yeah, thats because you completely got it wrong.
You want to put dybala on the wing and couldnt grasp the obviousness of why that wont work. Dybala is completely offensive minded and would be bullied far to easily from the wing and is too slow to be dangerous there.
Dybala is agile, high burst, technical. He's awesome in the center as he can go any direction he want. He'll do a burst of pace and can immediatly create danger. Great.
Down the wing, he'll be neutralised far to easily cause he doesnt have the lasting pace to go past markers down the line or inside when comming from a wide position. He does not have the physical resillience to compensate for this.
Mandzukic isnt fast, but he can controll a ball with a defender duelling him for it. He can keep it under pressure and keep up despite the defender attempting intercepting. He can keep it while receiving significant physical resillience, so he's not neutralised.
This is not enough offcourse.
Mandzukic has significant offensive contribution because he'll have his linkup play and makes good runs into the box and covers alot of ground
His defensive output allows weaker players like the cm to be balanced out. it works
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exactly
You want to put dybala on the wing and couldnt grasp the obviousness of why that wont work. Dybala is completely offensive minded and would be bullied far to easily from the wing and is too slow to be dangerous there.
Dybala is agile, high burst, technical. He's awesome in the center as he can go any direction he want. He'll do a burst of pace and can immediatly create danger. Great.
Down the wing, he'll be neutralised far to easily cause he doesnt have the lasting pace to go past markers down the line or inside when comming from a wide position. He does not have the physical resillience to compensate for this.
Mandzukic isnt fast, but he can controll a ball with a defender duelling him for it. He can keep it under pressure and keep up despite the defender attempting intercepting. He can keep it while receiving significant physical resillience, so he's not neutralised.
This is not enough offcourse.
Mandzukic has significant offensive contribution because he'll have his linkup play and makes good runs into the box and covers alot of ground
His defensive output allows weaker players like the cm to be balanced out. it works
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wat
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exactly
The role is not suited for him, you take away a lot from his game. Over the last 2 years he has created more chances from the left side than the right, and MUCH more from the middle than both sides combined. We did play a 433 several times during Allegris time here. Not once was it Dybala (or Tevez) that have been used there and we even used Morata a lot of times and a broken down Pepe there. The reason is simple, hes our best offensive player, hes our go to guy on offense. His skillset is that of a SS and you get by far the most out of him by playing him centrally with freedom to move around. By playing him wide (even with a free role) you limit him to one dimension of his game. That would be stupid to do with a talent like Dybala.
And don't bring Messi up. Zach already explained in detail the difference between them and why Messi is able to play a role like that
And don't bring Messi up. Zach already explained in detail the difference between them and why Messi is able to play a role like that
Does anyone think we switched to 2-man midfield because Marotta told Allegri that he would receive no more midfield reinforcements this window?
I'm pretty certain that Rincon will be our only first team purchase this mercato.
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It's really a perfect role for Dybala. In 3-5-2, he has a tendency to drop deep into Treq-like positions anyways, and as we saw at the start of the season it was a big part of the problem with Higgy-Dybala developing a partnership, and left Higuain isolated often, pinned on the shoulder of the last man... I think Higuain even stated to the media he wanted Dybala to play closer to him, further up the pitch.
Now, in this 4-2-3-1, it isn't really necessary, as Higuain always has support from someone up the pitch whether that be Mandzu, Cuadrado, Dybala, or even Pjanic at times. It allows Dybala more of a free role to drop deep and participate in the build-up without castrating Higgy by having him be far too static and isolated. Just looking at Dybala's goal, and how it began from deep, and ended up with all of Higgy, Mandzu, Cuadrado, and Dybala in the box when Asa fired his cross in. I love that.
I'm pretty certain that Rincon will be our only first team purchase this mercato.
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It's really a perfect role for Dybala. In 3-5-2, he has a tendency to drop deep into Treq-like positions anyways, and as we saw at the start of the season it was a big part of the problem with Higgy-Dybala developing a partnership, and left Higuain isolated often, pinned on the shoulder of the last man... I think Higuain even stated to the media he wanted Dybala to play closer to him, further up the pitch.
Now, in this 4-2-3-1, it isn't really necessary, as Higuain always has support from someone up the pitch whether that be Mandzu, Cuadrado, Dybala, or even Pjanic at times. It allows Dybala more of a free role to drop deep and participate in the build-up without castrating Higgy by having him be far too static and isolated. Just looking at Dybala's goal, and how it began from deep, and ended up with all of Higgy, Mandzu, Cuadrado, and Dybala in the box when Asa fired his cross in. I love that.
Really loving Pjanic in his new role to. Watching Dybala and Pjanic combine is pure sex. In the 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2 we lost posetion as soon as the other team started full field pressure, now we have enough tecnically gifted players on the field to keep posetion.
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The point of bringing up Messi is that he drifts into the middle everytime Barca has the ball and find space to operate in between midfield and defense. He is not required to stay wide and drible past opponents. I dont see starting on the right limits him in any way.
For real.
Playing 352 was beating a dead horse.
Since preseason we were saying we should have tried new formations but to our surprise it was not the case. We have endured half a season with this torture of 352 without an mvp midfield.
4231 lets us field less of our bad dudes in the middle, and fill up with our best players who are naturally our attackers.
Allegri must continue experimenting with this formation. Is the way going forward. No more 352 FFS.
I think Dybala at Barca playing the Messi role would definitely work, the problem is that we aren't Barca. We require that every player defends well and puts a shift in. It's much easier to defend against a CB/DM when the opposition has the ball than it is to defend against a FB especially if that FB is an attacking minded like most nowadays are. We saw a good example of this yesterday with Asamoah running riot because Suso wasn't able to keep up or didn't bother to keep up.
It's always difficult to use examples from other teams because the play styles and tactics can be so different. I definitely think that Dybala could do a really good job out wide in teams with a different style to ours. Don't see him working or being fielded there in our team at least not under Allegri.
It's always difficult to use examples from other teams because the play styles and tactics can be so different. I definitely think that Dybala could do a really good job out wide in teams with a different style to ours. Don't see him working or being fielded there in our team at least not under Allegri.
Pjaca can play RWF as well. I seen him in a couple of games for Croatia in that position and he was really good.
Needs a couple of players for next season if that is going to be our main formation. Berardi and Keita would be good choices. Both can play wide and as SS.
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Not saying it will definetly work. I am just arguing that based on his carecteristics he could play that role, and that it is stupid saying Dybala cant play the position because he does not have high top speed and sufficient strenght.
Anyway Allegri found a way to bring more attacking players on the pitch, while benching our below par CM, without playing Dybala as a RWF, so I am pleased.
Needs a couple of players for next season if that is going to be our main formation. Berardi and Keita would be good choices. Both can play wide and as SS.
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Not saying it will definetly work. I am just arguing that based on his carecteristics he could play that role, and that it is stupid saying Dybala cant play the position because he does not have high top speed and sufficient strenght.
Anyway Allegri found a way to bring more attacking players on the pitch, while benching our below par CM, without playing Dybala as a RWF, so I am pleased.
Yeah I agree. There are plenty of wide playmakers in todays game that don't rely on speed or strength. It's not like Dybala is slow either. Arguing that you need to be some speedster to play out wide is nonsensical imo. There are many different ways to play each position.
For us I prefer Dybala starting centrally with freedom to drift wide. Gets to be more involved in our play and doesn't need to work as much defensively.
For us I prefer Dybala starting centrally with freedom to drift wide. Gets to be more involved in our play and doesn't need to work as much defensively.
That's completely on point. If you start as a right winger/forward you can't just suddenly go to the other flank even if most of the action is happening there, starting from the central area you have the freedom to drift to where the action is. Also much more difficult to mark a player who keeps roaming around the pitch.
Thats what i ave been saying since aeons. Dybala should be in the middle of our everything since he is very talented. There he can go wherever he pleases and drop back if needed without isolating higuain since we will have 2 more dudes supporting the attack from the flanks.
Give a free role to dybala and let him express his football.
Give a free role to dybala and let him express his football.
