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Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
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:lol:

After a Coppa Italia QF against Milan...which we won?
No its been most of the performances this season. We have a great squad that is playing to the worst of its abilitys luckily enough the squad is that strong we have stil managed to stay top of the league and qualify to the next round of the CL.
There were a number of things last night that just weren't justifiable.

Im not a blind hater ive always supported him and will continue to while he is our mananger im just not a massive fan anymore.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Mandzukic and and Cuadrado's insane work ethic and ground coverage, combined with their significant offensive contribution, allows us to go 4-2-3-1 with a weak as $#@! cm of Pjanic and Khedira.

Put on Pjaca and that would have been completely unbalanced, not to mention he's not remotely as good as ManBro

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what the $#@!ing $#@!


He waited with the subs in case milan got another fluke. Which is completely fine since no one was completely dead or limping around.

"he expected to concede" :rofl:

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I like it alot tbh. He's also a remarcably good target down the wing to cross the ball to when switching the side. He's very good at controling those or laying them off.
Dybala's goal last weekend was a fine example.


It must be amazing for Pjanic and Bonucci at the moment. So much options to go for

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What flank was it that Milan absolutely $#@!d last time, making their victory ?
But Mandzu cant play on the wing. He does not have high speed like Robben or Bale, and cut in to shot with his right leg.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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But Mandzu cant play on the wing. He does not have high speed like Robben or Bale, and cut in to shot with his right leg.
Dude, we played with wingers, had enough CMs to play the holding mids, had Pjanic to play the 10 and we still wouldnt use Dybala wide and put a CF there instead. That should tell you everything you need to know about Dybala the winger
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Dude, we played with wingers, had enough CMs to play the holding mids, had Pjanic to play the 10 and we still wouldnt use Dybala wide and put a CF there instead. That should tell you everything you need to know about Dybala the winger
I know. Cant drible like Messi. Cant run as fast as Bale. Cant play there.
 
Jun 6, 2015
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It's not about Dybala not being able to play wide. It's us wanting to use our most talented player in a position where he is the most effective in. He also has much more freedom playing as a SS than he would have if played out on the wing.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
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Why we only had 2 CMs? We could easily placed something like

Rincon Khedira
Cuadrado Pjanic Dybala

Why?
I dont know if you are a bit slow, but I just wrote it. Mandzu workrate gives the team balance when we only had two CM.
The whole point I am trying to make is that you dont need to be a natural winger, to succed their. It depends on the set up and the role you are given. It would be a waste to play Dybala as a RW/RM in the 4-2-3-1 because he would be forced to track back way to much. Giving him a free role starting on the right with limited defensiv duties in a 4-3-3 ala Messi in Barca would work very well.

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It's not about Dybala not being able to play wide. It's us wanting to use our most talented player in a position where he is the most effective in. He also has much more freedom playing as a SS than he would have if played out on the wing.
What I wrote to Zizinho. To be honest I like Dybala in the position he has had the last two games. Never thought Allegri would go 4-2-3-1, and I like the setup and Dybala role.

I just thought it was funny, that Zach loves Mandzu as a winger despite he does not have a single of the attributes his been ranting about being reequired for a winger.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Does anyone think we switched to 2-man midfield because Marotta told Allegri that he would receive no more midfield reinforcements this window?

I'm pretty certain that Rincon will be our only first team purchase this mercato.

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I dont know if you are a bit slow, but I just wrote it. Mandzu workrate gives the team balance when we only had two CM.
The whole point I am trying to make is that you dont need to be a natural winger, to succed their. It depends on the set up and the role you are given. It would be a waste to play Dybala as a RW/RM in the 4-2-3-1 because he would be forced to track back way to much. Giving him a free role starting on the right with limited defensiv duties in a 4-3-3 ala Messi in Barca would work very well.

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What I wrote to Zizinho. To be honest I like Dybala in the position he has had the last two games. Never thought Allegri would go 4-2-3-1, and I like the setup and Dybala role.

I just thought it was funny, that Zach loves Mandzu as a winger despite he does not have a single of the attributes his been ranting about being reequired for a winger.
:tup:

It's really a perfect role for Dybala. In 3-5-2, he has a tendency to drop deep into Treq-like positions anyways, and as we saw at the start of the season it was a big part of the problem with Higgy-Dybala developing a partnership, and left Higuain isolated often, pinned on the shoulder of the last man... I think Higuain even stated to the media he wanted Dybala to play closer to him, further up the pitch.

Now, in this 4-2-3-1, it isn't really necessary, as Higuain always has support from someone up the pitch whether that be Mandzu, Cuadrado, Dybala, or even Pjanic at times. It allows Dybala more of a free role to drop deep and participate in the build-up without castrating Higgy by having him be far too static and isolated. Just looking at Dybala's goal, and how it began from deep, and ended up with all of Higgy, Mandzu, Cuadrado, and Dybala in the box when Asa fired his cross in. I love that.
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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With this new formation, we're creating chances for fun.

And when you see Dybala, Caud, Mandzo and Higuain running forward at the same and waiting for the ball from the center or from the side - that has to be scary for every defender out there. That's how we scored the first goal against Milan.

Also, our pressing leaves very little space to the opposition, especially in the first half, so I wouldn't worry much that we will suddenly start conceding more goals.
Dybala woul better in a central role.someting like winger or a TQ.
 
Jun 6, 2015
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I dont know if you are a bit slow, but I just wrote it. Mandzu workrate gives the team balance when we only had two CM.
The whole point I am trying to make is that you dont need to be a natural winger, to succed their. It depends on the set up and the role you are given. It would be a waste to play Dybala as a RW/RM in the 4-2-3-1 because he would be forced to track back way to much. Giving him a free role starting on the right with limited defensiv duties in a 4-3-3 ala Messi in Barca would work very well.

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What I wrote to Zizinho. To be honest I like Dybala in the position he has had the last two games. Never thought Allegri would go 4-2-3-1, and I like the setup and Dybala role.

I just thought it was funny, that Zach loves Mandzu as a winger despite he does not have a single of the attributes his been ranting about being reequired for a winger.
:tup:

Yeah the notion that every winger should be exactly the same kind with the same characteristics seems silly.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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But Mandzu cant play on the wing. He does not have high speed like Robben or Bale, and cut in to shot with his right leg.
He can, because his characteristics can compensate for it. He can keep and receive a pass, covers ALOT of ground, and works very hard, compensating the fragile CM. His cutting inside is great and his ball retention and receiving wide is also great.

Not a natural winger, but he helps the team so much he makes it work. Defensively strong wingers, even if not natural wingers, can sometimes make a certain team work cause their workrate and physical resilience keep the formation wide.


Gotto say, Mandzukic also is able to controll and keep the ball wide, quite wel, quite alot better then i tought he would.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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I dont know if you are a bit slow, but I just wrote it. Mandzu workrate gives the team balance when we only had two CM.
The whole point I am trying to make is that you dont need to be a natural winger, to succed their. It depends on the set up and the role you are given. It would be a waste to play Dybala as a RW/RM in the 4-2-3-1 because he would be forced to track back way to much. Giving him a free role starting on the right with limited defensiv duties in a 4-3-3 ala Messi in Barca would work very well.

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What I wrote to Zizinho. To be honest I like Dybala in the position he has had the last two games. Never thought Allegri would go 4-2-3-1, and I like the setup and Dybala role.

I just thought it was funny, that Zach loves Mandzu as a winger despite he does not have a single of the attributes his been ranting about being reequired for a winger.
But I just posted you a formation that has enough balance with 2 DMs and Pjanic infront. Do you think that Team doesent have the needed balance to work? Its quite obvious that we don't want to play Dybala wide because he's our biggest offensive talent and playing him wide would make him less effective. Which is why we don't do it
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
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I just thought it was funny, that Zach loves Mandzu as a winger despite he does not have a single of the attributes his been ranting about being reequired for a winger.
Yeah, thats because you completely got it wrong.


You want to put dybala on the wing and couldnt grasp the obviousness of why that wont work. Dybala is completely offensive minded and would be bullied far to easily from the wing and is too slow to be dangerous there.
Dybala is agile, high burst, technical. He's awesome in the center as he can go any direction he want. He'll do a burst of pace and can immediatly create danger. Great.

Down the wing, he'll be neutralised far to easily cause he doesnt have the lasting pace to go past markers down the line or inside when comming from a wide position. He does not have the physical resillience to compensate for this.


Mandzukic isnt fast, but he can controll a ball with a defender duelling him for it. He can keep it under pressure and keep up despite the defender attempting intercepting. He can keep it while receiving significant physical resillience, so he's not neutralised.
This is not enough offcourse.

Mandzukic has significant offensive contribution because he'll have his linkup play and makes good runs into the box and covers alot of ground

His defensive output allows weaker players like the cm to be balanced out. it works

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Dybala woul better in a central role.someting like winger or a TQ.
wat

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But I just posted you a formation that has enough balance with 2 DMs and Pjanic infront. Do you think that Team doesent have the needed balance to work? Its quite obvious that we don't want to play Dybala wide because he's our biggest offensive talent and playing him wide would make him less effective. Which is why we don't do it
exactly :tup:
 

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