Martin Cáceres (23 Viewers)

[Sad Statue]

This guy is a natural CB in case some of you didn't know it already.

many players have change their playing position at such a young age. casere's characteristics show that the rb position may suit him better than the cb one.

the guy is fast. something that is good for both positions but that gives him a little plus when he plays as a rb. the guy has a sweet crossing. something that is wasted when he plays as a cb. the guy is pretty agressive and knows how to attack. something that gives him another plus for the rb position. the most important fact is that the guy has not the concentration and does not make the right decisions to be a cb.

so it is not the best thing to talk about positions in such ages. many players looked like crap and then played in another position an looked much better...

 

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[cimenk]

This guy is a natural CB in case some of you didn't know it already.

Played as CB in his entire career before doesn't mean he will do better as CB and he is natural CB. You can see Chiellini, he played as LB in his entire youth career, and even when on loan to Fio and under Juve's Capello. If Boumsong and Kovac didn;t injured when us played in Serie B, i didn't think he'll be tried as CB. And he will still just a decent LB. But now, Chiellini is a WC CB for me

For now, he fits in RB. He can cross and make assist as well. I hope he improve especially his positioning and composure when defend

 

[Showdown25]

I think everyone knows, but since he's fixing our dire RB position now I don't see the point of putting him in CB now either. That, and you can't just put him next to Chiellini and expect it to work.

Like Mr. Futter said, hardly a time to change stuff around right now.

I didn't suggest to swap him to CB. I was just putting it out there that his favored position is as center-back.

many players have change their playing position at such a young age. casere's characteristics show that the rb position may suit him better than the cb one.

the guy is fast. something that is good for both positions but that gives him a little plus when he plays as a rb. the guy has a sweet crossing. something that is wasted when he plays as a cb. the guy is pretty agressive and knows how to attack. something that gives him another plus for the rb position. the most important fact is that the guy has not the concentration and does not make the right decisions to be a cb.

so it is not the best thing to talk about positions in such ages. many players looked like crap and then played in another position an looked much better...

He's played as a center-back for us once and it wasn't even for an entire game. I don't think you judge him as a center-back. You're judging him off of his performances as a right-back and then comparing those to what would be expected of a center-back. It's like saying Camo runs with the ball down the right and tries to beat players too much, he could never make a good center-midfielder. Flawed logic. Again, decision making, haven't seen enough of him at CB to pass judgment. The duties of a RB and a CB in the system we play aren't the same.

Some players do find that they're better suited to another position(Thierry Henry) but we can't say that he's a better RB than CB because I'm willing to bet the majority of people here never saw him play for Recreativo where he was the most impressive to date. Playing CB all season and earning himself a 16m move to Barca. It was due the emergence of Pique(and the fact that he's from catalonia) that he was pushed further down the pecking order.

Played as CB in his entire career before doesn't mean he will do better as CB and he is natural CB. You can see Chiellini, he played as LB in his entire youth career, and even when on loan to Fio and under Juve's Capello. If Boumsong and Kovac didn;t injured when us played in Serie B, i didn't think he'll be tried as CB. And he will still just a decent LB. But now, Chiellini is a WC CB for me

For now, he fits in RB. He can cross and make assist as well. I hope he improve especially his positioning and composure when defend

Chiellini(and Henry) is more of an exception to the rule. There's no saying Chiellini would have still been average if he was still being used as a LB. Four years is a long time in terms of player development. I agree that Martin's doing a good job for now, considering he's new. Still I'd like to personally see him given a chance at CB. We could use some pace back there. But at the end of the day I suppose it comes down to who we can bring in during the transfer window. If we can get a Kjaer or Ranocchia then he'll most likely be kept at RB but if we bring a Zuniga or Rafinha then I would hope he could get a shot at CB.

But like you said for now he fits at RB, better than what we have too. So if it's not broke, don't fix it, especially considering the problems we're trying to sort currently.

 

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This guy is a natural CB in case some of you didn't know it already.

His primary position may be CB, but I don't like the idea of playing Caceres there. He doesn't read the game very well, his aerial ability is limited at best and his greatest attribute is his speed, which is arguably wasted on a central defender.

 

[Ibrahimovic9]

lol at people overrating this guy, AGAIN

 

[RavaneVialli]

definitely right now we'll need him to improve in RB, But well be needing atleast 2 CB's for the future. If we can get Kjaer/Ranocchia + Caceres welll be good enough. But we need a proper rightback.

Caceres will cost us 12 m, for this money we can look for a definitely better RB, e.g. Rafinha, or a definitely better CB than him (Bonucci or Bocchetti sholdn't cost more). Caceres at best is mediocre at everything he does and we don't need another backup player.

 

[El Santo]

Caceres will cost us 12 m, for this money we can look for a definitely better RB, e.g. Rafinha, or a definitely better CB than him (Bonucci or Bocchetti sholdn't cost more). Caceres at best is mediocre at everything he does and we don't need another backup player.

Juventus material

 

[Lo-Pan]

Caceres will cost us 12 m, for this money we can look for a definitely better RB, e.g. Rafinha, or a definitely better CB than him (Bonucci or Bocchetti sholdn't cost more). Caceres at best is mediocre at everything he does and we don't need another backup player.

have Bonucci or Bocchetti played well enough for a team, as a centre back, to warrant the best team in their league forking out a 16 million transfer for him???

And how can anyone say he is inferior, as a centreback, to anyone else, when he hasn't been playing, as a centreback, in Serie A??? That makes no sense...

he seems to be starting to feel more comfortable at right back. And I like him there with Camo. At the same time, our central defence is in need of youthful exuberance. Without Giorgio we are fucked...A shame that Ariuado doesn't inspire enough confidence in the coaches, to warrant a start. Perhaps in the coppa??? We could pair Ariuado with Caceres...One calm, one volatile.

Camo and Caceres are both prone to mean tackles...which is amusing to watch, but also potentially problematic. Still, on balance, our team NEEDS MORE, AGGRESSION, not less...aggression to me, is connected with drive to win, to compete...which we have been lacking.

 

[only-juve]

Caceres will cost us 12 m, for this money we can look for a definitely better RB, e.g. Rafinha, or a definitely better CB than him (Bonucci or Bocchetti sholdn't cost more). Caceres at best is mediocre at everything he does and we don't need another backup player.

agree, Caceres should stay till the end of he's loan deal then leave back to barca. 12 mil for this guy ? No thanks, not even worth half of it.....

 

[RAMI-N]

From now till May is long time though...he may surprise us after all...

 

[only-juve]

^^^

I really have my doubts, there is always a hope but that guy keeps making rash fouls to other team players close to our box (poor defence). Most of he's short passes are rather awkward, many times he either pass the ball behind Camo or infront of him. He's positioning is poor.

Many things about him is just not right. He's aggressive, works hard and have decent crosses but other than that IMO he's got nothing.

Players like Evra, sagna, Maicon and others were brought for around 7 mil euros.
Even If we didn't spent 12 mil (barca asking price for Caceres) but 6-7 millions on Caceres it would be a crime from the management.

 

[Showdown25]

His primary position may be CB, but I don't like the idea of playing Caceres there. He doesn't read the game very well, his aerial ability is limited at best and his greatest attribute is his speed, which is arguably wasted on a central defender.

Just curious but how can you make this judgment when you've never seen him play as a CB? Just because you "don't like the idea?"

Canna is slow as shit and gets exposed every time he goes up against some who has decent pace. That's one of our main problems with our defense - getting exposed by speedy players. To say his aerial ability is limited lets me know you've never really seen this guy play aside from the handful of appearances he's made at RB for us. He's actually quite good in the air.

Everyone keeps saying he's not worth the price tag Barca put on him which is true. But, how can we see the best of him if we always play him out of position? He was playing CB all year for Recreativo before Barca stumped up 16m. He plays best as a CB but we're gonna stick him out on the right and then bitch about how overpriced he is when really, we're the jackasses for not trying him in his best position and seeing if he can justify such a high buy out clause for a young defender.

While we're at it lets put DP back out on the left wing and Diego as a holding MF then we can bitch about how average and overpriced they are too.

Some people on this board blindly listen to and believe what others say and take it as gospel. Shame common sense isn't so common anymore...

 

[Ahmed]

he would be a risk at CB because his positioning is questionable, he gets outmaneuvered too easily for an up and coming defender

 

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Just curious but how can you make this judgment when you've never seen him play as a CB? Just because you "don't like the idea?"

Canna is slow as shit and gets exposed every time he goes up against some who has decent pace. That's one of our main problems with our defense - getting exposed by speedy players. To say his aerial ability is limited lets me know you've never really seen this guy play aside from the handful of appearances he's made at RB for us. He's actually quite good in the air.

If I could draw you a Venn diagram with the ideal characteristics of a centre-back, I'd probably present three circles from which you'd have to choose two. They'd be labelled "pace", "reading of the game" and "physical presence/aerial ability".

I'm glad you mentioned Cannavaro, because what he lacks in pace he makes up for with the other two characteristics in abundance.

You're correct in saying that the only times I've seen Caceres play were in a Juve shirt, but for what it's worth I've watched every match we've played this season, and because I happen to like Caceres and wish for him to become a world-class defender, I keep a keen eye on him every time he's presented with an opportunity to show us something. You're right; I'm probably being harsh on him by saying that his aerial ability is limited, and it was coming off the back of his lacklustre defending against Bordeaux.

All things considered, you definitely make a point and it's probably not fair for me to judge Caceres based on the few times he's played at RB, especially considering his preferred position is CB.

That said, as I mentioned before I think we're lacking more in the wingback department than CB, and I'd like to see Caceres' pace and attacking instinct nurtured to make him a quality RB.

 

[Klin]

People should wait until the end of the season to judge him correctly. But stop overrate him already.

 

[Enoran]

Not really overrating him but I think most of us like the fact that he is improving game by game ...

 

[Showdown25]

If I could draw you a Venn diagram with the ideal characteristics of a centre-back, I'd probably present three circles from which you'd have to choose two. They'd be labelled "pace", "reading of the game" and "physical presence/aerial ability".

I'm glad you mentioned Cannavaro, because what he lacks in pace he makes up for with the other two characteristics in abundance.

You're correct in saying that the only times I've seen Caceres play were in a Juve shirt, but for what it's worth I've watched every match we've played this season, and because I happen to like Caceres and wish for him to become a world-class defender, I keep a keen eye on him every time he's presented with an opportunity to show us something. You're right; I'm probably being harsh on him by saying that his aerial ability is limited, and it was coming off the back of his lacklustre defending against Bordeaux.

All things considered, you definitely make a point and it's probably not fair for me to judge Caceres based on the few times he's played at RB, especially considering his preferred position is CB.

That said, as I mentioned before I think we're lacking more in the wingback department than CB, and I'd like to see Caceres' pace and attacking instinct nurtured to make him a quality RB.

I think I love you.

 

[Ian]

If I could draw you a Venn diagram with the ideal characteristics of a centre-back, I'd probably present three circles from which you'd have to choose two. They'd be labelled "pace", "reading of the game" and "physical presence/aerial ability".

I'm glad you mentioned Cannavaro, because what he lacks in pace he makes up for with the other two characteristics in abundance.

You're correct in saying that the only times I've seen Caceres play were in a Juve shirt, but for what it's worth I've watched every match we've played this season, and because I happen to like Caceres and wish for him to become a world-class defender, I keep a keen eye on him every time he's presented with an opportunity to show us something. You're right; I'm probably being harsh on him by saying that his aerial ability is limited, and it was coming off the back of his lacklustre defending against Bordeaux.

All things considered, you definitely make a point and it's probably not fair for me to judge Caceres based on the few times he's played at RB, especially considering his preferred position is CB.

That said, as I mentioned before I think we're lacking more in the wingback department than CB, and I'd like to see Caceres' pace and attacking instinct nurtured to make him a quality RB.

Well put, but you're assuming that he can be trained into a right back. I have my doubts. Like I said earlier he's a decent centre back, depending on his partner. What he lacks at right back is: close control, marking, crossing, and positional sense. I don't think all of that can be coached into him at this point. Either way, I think that if he does well enough Barca will take him back, being that Chygrynsky (orhoweverthehellyouspellit) doesn't seem to be adjusting too well...

 

[El Santo]

Well put, but you're assuming that he can be trained into a right back. I have my doubts. Like I said earlier he's a decent centre back, depending on his partner. What he lacks at right back is: close control, marking, crossing, and positional sense. I don't think all of that can be coached into him at this point. Either way, I think that if he does well enough Barca will take him back, being that Chygrynsky (orhoweverthehellyouspellit) doesn't seem to be adjusting too well...

He crosses the ball pretty well.

Besides speed, the rest of his game is

 

[Salvatore]

Buy him.

This isn't knee jerk.