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JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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And the pattern :lol2:

First season in Serie A we bought:
- Andrade - Grygera - Salihamidzic - Marchionni - Almiron - Tiago - Iaquinta

Second season in Serie A we bought:
- Amauri - Poulsen - Knezevic and brought back De Ceglie - Marchisio - Giovinco

Third season in Serie A we bought (SO FUCKING FAR)
- Cannavaro - Diego - Melo

Now let's break down this fucking pattern and see:
1st season: 3 defenders, 3 midfielders, 1 forward
2nd season: 2 defenders, 2 midfielders, 1 forward
3rd season: 1 defender, 2 midfielders and WE DID NOT BUY CASSANO

Pattern my ass! Go pattern on someone else, someone who forgets what you first said by the moment he reaches 20% in through your post.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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And the pattern :lol2:

First season in Serie A we bought:
- Andrade - Grygera - Salihamidzic - Marchionni - Almiron - Tiago - Iaquinta

Second season in Serie A we bought:
- Amauri - Poulsen - Knezevic and brought back De Ceglie - Marchisio - Giovinco

Third season in Serie A we bought (SO FUCKING FAR)
- Cannavaro - Diego - Melo

Now let's break down this fucking pattern and see:
1st season: 3 defenders, 3 midfielders, 1 forward
2nd season: 2 defenders, 2 midfielders, 1 forward
3rd season: 1 defender, 2 midfielders and WE DID NOT BUY CASSANO

Pattern my ass! Go pattern on someone else, someone who forgets what you first said by the moment he reaches 20% in through your post.

So you dont see a pattern in how we invest in the defence? I mean, free transfer (Grygera), free transfer (Mellberg), free transfer (Salihamidsic), free transfer (Cannavaro), Andrade 10m, Loan (Knezevic), Loan (Stendardo), taking back players we owned/half share (De Ceglie, Molinaro).


Even if some of them (early ones) have understandable reasons, you dont see this pattern of how we add to the defence with quantity and spend as little as POSSIBLE? Because I am pretty sure this is what Cronios refers too, even if he tends to exaggerate (invents some weird comments our board said). We dont really prioritise improving our defence.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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So you dont see a pattern in how we invest in the defence? I mean, free transfer (Grygera), free transfer (Mellberg), free transfer (Salihamidsic), free transfer (Cannavaro), Andrade 10m, Loan (Knezevic), Loan (Stendardo), taking back players we owned/half share (De Ceglie, Molinaro).


So you dont see this pattern of how we add to the defence with quantity and spend as little as POSSIBLE? Because I am pretty sure this is what Cronios refers too, even if he tends to exaggerate (invents some weird comments our board said). We dont really prioritise improving our defence.
I agree that we haven't improved our defence as we should but I don't see a pattern.

And I ask you the same question, would you like us to spend on a defender just for the sake of buying a defender or do you want us to invest in that department for something up to the standard?
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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The pattern I mean is a pattern of not prioritizing our defence, for the 3rd year running, it doesnt need to be a conspiracy theory, but its not a coincidence we go for free transfers of mediocre players to add to our defence. It just signals we dont prioritize to invest in our defence.

And what kind of question is that? Rather obvious answer, I prefer quality over quantity, thats EXACTLY I havent liked our way to add to the defence, we just sign quantity with not much regard for quality at all.


We accept this too much every summer, and gloss it over. So in this regard, IMO Cronios stubborness fits and is right in pointing out/reminding. Even if I dont agree with the ways he exaggerates and makes everything out to be somekind of sinister conspiracy plot by the board.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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If it's not a coincidence then what is it?

And since you prefer quality over quantity, can you point out full backs and central defenders that are available on the market at reasonable prices?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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That they simply dont prioritize our defence, and just are contend with average/mediocre players, thats what you get when you invest as little as possible. I mean, how is it a coincidence we actively gone for free transfers? Its not. They decided to spend as little as possible to bolster the defence, make do with acceptable mediocre players (that function ok enough if you play tactically organised defence, to cover up for the lack of individual quality), shore it up with quantity squad options, temporary short term solutions with loans here or there, then long term quality signings.

And I dont claim that the market is an easy one, but for sure there are better players then those we have if we are willing to invest in the defence.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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I am sure there is a big lack of quality defenders on the market and the good ones are impossible to be bought. Good luck signing Vidic.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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I realise that, but you dont have to be a Vidic to get better options then what we have and had. And I understand financial restrictions to a point, especially at the start, when we were financial crippled and with a lacking reputation. But it can only excuse away so much. They defenitely gone with a policy of spend as little as possible, and shore up with a quantity of mediocre players.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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A policy which is being praised by many especially in the current financial times. Now Cronios would say that Iaquinta and Amauri were not needed and we should have bought Vidic and Sergio Ramos instead but I know what would Azzurri reply to such a thing. I would use the same reply.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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We can't overspend in all areas of the team each year. If we don't have a strong offense and strong midfield then we would struggle to score goals in a notorious tough league for scoring opportunities. Now, we have a worldclass attack and midfield, for that I will thank the board. A worldclass goalie and again I will thank the board for keeping him here. We have a decent young crop of defenders in Bamba, ariaudo and de ceglie. Maybe they don't want to spend money there as they know we have some potentially great players coming thru the ranks.

If we didn't have iaquinta/amauri we would be relying on two aging strikers to carry the team. A starting lineup consisting of players like buffon, chiellini, canna, melo, marchisio, sissoko, diego, trezeguet, del piero with backups in amauri, iaquinta, camoranesi, zebina, de ceglie, giovinco, zanetti, tiago and poulsen and knowing how many great primaveras we have coming up soon in yago, daud, esposito, bamba, and immobile I would say we have a team 98 percent of clubs would die for. We have so many great players cronios, I don't understand how you can still be so impatient and impractical in your reasoning without looking at what we have and what we will be having with our primavera.

Our club is on the right track in pretty much every area. New team, coach and stadium.

There is a shortage of defenders and teams that have good ones will be more reluctant to sell and at a fair price. I'd like to know who is available thay is in our budget that would make an immediate impact that you think we should get.
 

Mark

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