Mario Götze - AM - Bayern Munich (18 Viewers)

[Seven]

Draxler isn't replacing Vidal. If that were the case, they would not be looking at Draxler at all.

You have two in house potential replacements for Vidal. One (Khedira) is locked in with his position as a midfielder. The other (Asamoah) is entirely dependent on getting another Left Back. Either one of them, or Pereyra, would be stepping in.

If Juve didn't have this kind of quality lying around after selling Vidal, then I would have lost my mind. But there is still quality there. Different characteristics than Vidal? Yes, absolutely. But we are seeing the beginning of what Allegri is looking for with the squad. More flair, less grinta. And its not as if the club is suddenly bereft of grinta because Vidal and Tevez left. Mandzukic, Lichtsteiner, Chiellini, Marchisio to a degree. It is still there.

Would I have liked to see a bidding war for Vidal? Certainly. But I find it very hard to believe that Marotta and the management would be so short sighted as to believe that no bidding war would have taken place if they placed him on the open market. There was something else at play here, and we may never know. But while it is easy to believe that Marotta didn't want to have a bidding war (for whatever reason), or that he should have made Vidal honor his contract (if that were the case, you would see far less transfers every year), then it is not far fetched to believe that Vidal and his people initiated contact with Bayern, reached agreement with them on a new contract, and then went to Juve to tell them of their intentions, and basically put Juve in a no win situation.

There were several suitors for Ogbonna. There are now several suitors for Llorente. If bidding wars are/were being done for those two, then why would one not be done for Vidal?

Unless the player and his people himself made the first move, and did all of this whilst still under contract with Juve.

People also forget that even if we had a bigger offer from say Man City, Vidal would have to agree to go there. Players are human beings, not cattle. Perhaps Vidal only wanted Bayern. They were prepared to offer 36m, which is not a bad offer at all, and we thought long and hard about it and accepted. I don't see much wrong in that to be honest..

Would I have made the same deal? Maybe not, because I believe Vidal is in his prime and I think he would be able to motivate himself to play well for us.

- - - Updated - - -

The guy who has been throwing nothing but airballs since 2011 os calling others muppets.

Omnomnom the irony tastes good today.

Dude, why do you even bother with this guy? He's just a 'fan' so he can criticise people. Nevermind winning games or titles, what's important is being right in criticising some director.

 

Buy on AliExpress.com

[Bianconero81]

I will join you if the mercato is closed and we make totally underwhelming moves.But as of now,everything is just rumors.None of the media have absolutely no clue what we're trying to do or who we're signing,even the reliable sources are reporting crap.
Its better to wait before unleashing.Atleast we can save ourselves from being made to look like fools in the end.

Whatever moves are made, losing Vidal is a big blow. The experience, tenacity and guile that Pirlo and Tevez both bring will also be difficult to replace.

- - - Updated - - -

Dude, why do you even bother with this guy? He's just a 'fan' so he can criticise people. Nevermind winning games or titles, what's important is being right in criticising some director.

I see that you have it all figured out Nostradamus. I have been supporting this club since you were a zygote.

 

[Fr3sh]

Whatever moves are made, losing Vidal is a big blow. The experience, tenacity and guile that Pirlo and Tevez both bring will also be difficult to replace.

lol

 

[Bianconero81]

Draxler isn't replacing Vidal. If that were the case, they would not be looking at Draxler at all.

You have two in house potential replacements for Vidal. One (Khedira) is locked in with his position as a midfielder. The other (Asamoah) is entirely dependent on getting another Left Back. Either one of them, or Pereyra, would be stepping in.

If Juve didn't have this kind of quality lying around after selling Vidal, then I would have lost my mind. But there is still quality there. Different characteristics than Vidal? Yes, absolutely. But we are seeing the beginning of what Allegri is looking for with the squad. More flair, less grinta. And its not as if the club is suddenly bereft of grinta because Vidal and Tevez left. Mandzukic, Lichtsteiner, Chiellini, Marchisio to a degree. It is still there.

Would I have liked to see a bidding war for Vidal? Certainly. But I find it very hard to believe that Marotta and the management would be so short sighted as to believe that no bidding war would have taken place if they placed him on the open market. There was something else at play here, and we may never know. But while it is easy to believe that Marotta didn't want to have a bidding war (for whatever reason), or that he should have made Vidal honor his contract (if that were the case, you would see far less transfers every year), then it is not far fetched to believe that Vidal and his people initiated contact with Bayern, reached agreement with them on a new contract, and then went to Juve to tell them of their intentions, and basically put Juve in a no win situation.

There were several suitors for Ogbonna. There are now several suitors for Llorente. If bidding wars are/were being done for those two, then why would one not be done for Vidal?

Unless the player and his people himself made the first move, and did all of this whilst still under contract with Juve.

I don't know Serge. Thus far, it all looks so underwhelming. With the exception of the Dybala acquisition, and Khedira on a free, I am not impressed. I know we still have around 5 weeks to go, but so far, the mercato has been more in the negative balance.

- - - Updated - - -

lol

Tenacity for Tevez Bro

- - - Updated - - -

The guy who has been throwing nothing but airballs since 2011 os calling others muppets.

Omnomnom the irony tastes good today.

Short term memory much? I have criticized the management at length, but I also afforded them praise when due.

 

[KB824]

I don't know Serge. Thus far, it all looks so underwhelming. With the exception of the Dybala acquisition, and Khedira on a free, I am not impressed. I know we still have around 5 weeks to go, but so far, the mercato has been more in the negative balance.

- - - Updated - - -



Tenacity for Tevez Bro

Because of losing Tevez and Vidal? Everyone knew that Tevez was going to leave sooner or later, and you have to respect his honesty and openness when he first joined us. To counter that, Juve moved quickly to get his successor, and to get him in early. We also knew that Tevez only had one destination in mind, and that was back home, so it was going to be difficult to get fair market value for him. We all knew this. But, we also got him at below market value as wellm, and he turned out great. So it is a win-win situation.

Vidal on the other hand, this came out of nowhere. I would have loved a bidding war, but if the reports are true that he actually agreed to a contract prior to the two teams even talking about his transfer, then it just limits everything. And it sucks. I would have loved the opportunity to get as much as possible for him, but lets not scoff at 40 million for him as if it is chump change.

If it were Juve that were preparing to pay 40 million for Vidal, this forum would have had a monumental meltdown.

But you know me. I'm not reactionary. I will wait this out until August 31st and see where this club is

 

[DUKAC]

Draxler isn't replacing Vidal. If that were the case, they would not be looking at Draxler at all.

You have two in house potential replacements for Vidal. One (Khedira) is locked in with his position as a midfielder. The other (Asamoah) is entirely dependent on getting another Left Back. Either one of them, or Pereyra, would be stepping in.

If Juve didn't have this kind of quality lying around after selling Vidal, then I would have lost my mind. But there is still quality there. Different characteristics than Vidal? Yes, absolutely. But we are seeing the beginning of what Allegri is looking for with the squad. More flair, less grinta. And its not as if the club is suddenly bereft of grinta because Vidal and Tevez left. Mandzukic, Lichtsteiner, Chiellini, Marchisio to a degree. It is still there.

Would I have liked to see a bidding war for Vidal? Certainly. But I find it very hard to believe that Marotta and the management would be so short sighted as to believe that no bidding war would have taken place if they placed him on the open market. There was something else at play here, and we may never know. But while it is easy to believe that Marotta didn't want to have a bidding war (for whatever reason), or that he should have made Vidal honor his contract (if that were the case, you would see far less transfers every year), then it is not far fetched to believe that Vidal and his people initiated contact with Bayern, reached agreement with them on a new contract, and then went to Juve to tell them of their intentions, and basically put Juve in a no win situation.

There were several suitors for Ogbonna. There are now several suitors for Llorente. If bidding wars are/were being done for those two, then why would one not be done for Vidal?

Unless the player and his people himself made the first move, and did all of this whilst still under contract with Juve.

I wrote almost the same in one of my posts and that fact if true pisses me off a lot.

 

[Nzoric]

A combination of both you bastard

I have questioned the management in the past, and will continue to have doubts and be skeptical, especially after losing 3 of our key players in the same mercato session.

I am grateful for what the team has accomplished, but I fear that instead of building on those accomplishments, we are undermining our achievements by dismantling the winning core.

You haven't 'questioned our management' for the past three years. You've been throwing infantile hissyfits at every possible juction. When the team was clearing the table and locking in on a possible treble you were nowhere to be found on the forums. Not saying you weren't happy with the results while they were coming, but to come out and label our historic return to the european elite with a description such as

Yaaay. The CL Final, that we lost, yet again. It is a fucking final, not a trophy.

is quite frankly sickening and ungrateful to a point where I doubt what you're even doing supporting the team in the first place. Blatantly disregarding that we , aside from the CL final - which is an INCREDIBLE achievement, won the tenth Coppa Italia and the fourth domestic title in a row. Do you know what it takes to make any team perform over an entire season for four years in a row? A good part of that is coaching done right, another part of it comes down to decisions on management level.

You have really taken it too far this time.

 

[Xperd]

Whatever moves are made, losing Vidal is a big blow. The experience, tenacity and guile that Pirlo and Tevez both bring will also be difficult to replace.

- - - Updated - - -



I see that you have it all figured out Nostradamus. I have been supporting this club since you were a zygote.

Tevez is the biggest blow and only someone like Cavani could replace him but we cant afford him.

Khedira,Asamoah and maybe Sturaro can compensate for the loss of Vidal.

Frankly you're behaving like we lost Zidane here.Pogba being sold this year would've been more stupid and would've meant a lack of ambition(and long term planning) as well.

 

[Seven]

You haven't 'questioned our management' for the past three years. You've been throwing infantile hissyfits at every possible juction. When the team was clearing the table and locking in on a possible treble you were nowhere to be found on the forums. Not saying you weren't happy with the results while they were coming, but to come out and label our historic return to the european elite with a description such as

is quite frankly sickening and ungrateful to a point where I doubt what you're even doing supporting the team in the first place. Blatantly disregarding that we , aside from the CL final - which is an INCREDIBLE achievement, won the tenth Coppa Italia and the fourth domestic title in a row. Do you know what it takes to make any team perform over an entire season for four years in a row? A good part of that is coaching done right, another part of it comes down to decisions on management level.

You have really taken it too far this time.

He's not supporting this club at all. He just likes to criticise people for doing their jobs. Then when it all falls apart he can say 'I told you so'. He has no interest in what this team does. If anything he wants us to lose so he is 'right'.

It is distasteful, sickening and boring. Quite frankly if Cronios is banned I don't understand why this guy is allowed to post.

 

[Nzoric]

Short term memory much? I have criticized the management at length, but I also afforded them praise when due.

If your idea of 'praise' is simply not entering the Marotta thread when the fucking world proved you wrong - then yeah, you really praised them thoroughly until the first chance you got for ripping into the club came around. They are making incredibly heavy decisions right now, trying to bring our average age down so we do not end up like Milan. Sometimes you have to cut some short term gains for the good of the club in the long run, and they're attempting to do that now. How about you keep your mouth shut until we actually see how the team is going to perform in the first, say, 10 rounds of next season? It would really be becoming of you to do exactly that.

 

[KB824]

[/B]

I wrote almost the same in one of my posts and that fact if true pisses me off a lot.

I just don't see it as plausible that Juve would sell Vidal to the first team that came calling.

It makes no sense, especially to a club that is so concerned with FFP and its economic turnover. And while it may piss you off that this may have happened, let's be honest. We all fap ourselves to death when we hear reports of a player agreeing to terms with us before an agreement is reached with the club.

You and I know that this is not an uncommon practice.

 

[Nzoric]

Quite frankly if Cronios is banned I don't understand why this guy is allowed to post.

Nailed it.

Atleast Cronios was somewhat entertaining with his unexpected turns.

 

[Juvellino]

People also forget that even if we had a bigger offer from say Man City, Vidal would have to agree to go there. Players are human beings, not cattle. Perhaps Vidal only wanted Bayern. They were prepared to offer 36m, which is not a bad offer at all, and we thought long and hard about it and accepted. I don't see much wrong in that to be honest..

Would I have made the same deal? Maybe not, because I believe Vidal is in his prime and I think he would be able to motivate himself to play well for us.

 

[KB824]

Tevez is the biggest blow and only someone like Cavani could replace him but we cant afford him.

Khedira,Asamoah and maybe Sturaro can compensate for the loss of Vidal.

Frankly you're behaving like we lost Zidane here.Pogba being sold this year would've been more stupid and would've meant a lack of ambition(and long term planning) as well.

Selling Pogba would have been the biggest mistake this club could make.

You can't bring in young players like Rugani, Dybala, Morata, Sturaro, and Zaza, and then sell your best under 23 player.

The biggest thing with these kids is not only their talent, but they are currently under what are deemed to be very reasonable contracts. That in turn, not only makes the squad younger, deeper, but it also gives the club greater opportunity for even more financial turnover in the coming years.

 

[Juvellino]

I endorse the Dybala move. I'd be happy with Draxler here (for the right price). I am not against all their moves, far from it. However, what irks me is the people who gladly accept everything they do without question. It is too nauseating and saccharine for my liking.

I like some of our mercato and don't like some of it. I agree with this tho, any time people blindly support something it is wrong.

 

[Seven]

I like some of our mercato and don't like some of it. I agree with this tho, any time people blindly support something it is wrong.

In a political atmosphere that is no doubt true. But when it comes to supporting a football club everything is done blindly for the simple fact you don't know shit about what goes on. You can criticise the board for selling a player, but if he wanted to leave there was little they could do.

 

[Xperd]

Selling Pogba would have been the biggest mistake this club could make.

You can't bring in young players like Rugani, Dybala, Morata, Sturaro, and Zaza, and then sell your best under 23 player.

The biggest thing with these kids is not only their talent, but they are currently under what are deemed to be very reasonable contracts. That in turn, not only makes the squad younger, deeper, but it also gives the club greater opportunity for even more financial turnover in the coming years.

Thinking about it,i wouldnt have made Vidal our biggest earner by giving him a contract extension.6.5m for a B2B midfielder ? We give that kind of wages for attackers/high talent level players.His talent level is pretty much on the same level as the other players in the squad such as Marchisio.

Pogba on the other hand is a phenom in the making.And frankly i would make him our highest earner if it means he would commit to us.But i am not sure that will happen.

 

[DUKAC]

I just don't see it as plausible that Juve would sell Vidal to the first team that came calling.

It makes no sense, especially to a club that is so concerned with FFP and its economic turnover. And while it may piss you off that this may have happened, let's be honest. We all fap ourselves to death when we hear reports of a player agreeing to terms with us before an agreement is reached with the club.

You and I know that this is not an uncommon practice.

Well,I just admitted that.

 

[Albo]

Why dont we go for Verratti instead?

Because we have 0 chances for him.

Only way we can get that guy would be swap with Pogba .

 

[Xperd]

Because we have 0 chances for him.

Only way we can get that guy would be swap with Pogba .

We should do all we can to get him(atleast an effort) if Pogba doesnt commit to us.