give him more games to play and he'll be a quality midfielder than he already is.
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Well Paul you have raised a few valid points some i totally agree with and some I do not
The times i saw him at W. B> a , he did quite well and I do believe he made a positive impression while he was there
Again for me he is an upgrade on Tacchinardi as for me they are both slow, but he has a better passing range and vision that Tacchinardi does
I am not sure he has as much defensive qualities as tacchinardi but to say he is an understudy to Nedved is pushing it as at this point in time, I do not know as you never know with some players but with his current skills, he is not good enough to be Juve's playmaker
He is however good enough to be in the midfield as he is quite similar to Pirlo another player I think is good enough to be in the midfiled but take up the mantle of playmaker in a big club is beyond them at this stage imo
But what he does have is he has an overall view of others around him something Tacchinardi does not have at all
I do agree with Slack when he says Maresca is like Sousa who really is only marginally faster than Liverani but a good player on his day nevertheless
As with Miccolli who also imo has not set the world alight only time would tell if they are the real deal or just players who are big fish in small waters
I guess I am willing Maresca to do very well as Tacchinardi has not done it for me, cos yeah he keeps things simple at time but I would like to see a player who is just more than a defensive player and be like Gerrard, Keane, Emerson or Vieira who can do a bit more
Because to be fair, Maresca first stint at Juve was just slightly better than crap so here hoping he is given a good run and he takes it with both hands
The times i saw him at W. B> a , he did quite well and I do believe he made a positive impression while he was there
Again for me he is an upgrade on Tacchinardi as for me they are both slow, but he has a better passing range and vision that Tacchinardi does
I am not sure he has as much defensive qualities as tacchinardi but to say he is an understudy to Nedved is pushing it as at this point in time, I do not know as you never know with some players but with his current skills, he is not good enough to be Juve's playmaker
He is however good enough to be in the midfield as he is quite similar to Pirlo another player I think is good enough to be in the midfiled but take up the mantle of playmaker in a big club is beyond them at this stage imo
But what he does have is he has an overall view of others around him something Tacchinardi does not have at all
I do agree with Slack when he says Maresca is like Sousa who really is only marginally faster than Liverani but a good player on his day nevertheless
As with Miccolli who also imo has not set the world alight only time would tell if they are the real deal or just players who are big fish in small waters
I guess I am willing Maresca to do very well as Tacchinardi has not done it for me, cos yeah he keeps things simple at time but I would like to see a player who is just more than a defensive player and be like Gerrard, Keane, Emerson or Vieira who can do a bit more
Because to be fair, Maresca first stint at Juve was just slightly better than crap so here hoping he is given a good run and he takes it with both hands
he can replace anyone in midfield.
tacchinardi is forced to sit back and not move forward as such. he has no choice with the likes of Camoranesi and either davids/appiah given license to roam forward and create.
it can be compared to milan with gattuso. many say that he doesnt do that extra stuff in midfield but its because with pirlo, seedorf and kaka/rui being offensive players, gattuso has to stay back and do teh nitty gritty stuff.
What i think juves midfield problem is that davids/appiah are not the type of players Pirlo is. Pirlo is technically more gifted in terms of offensiveness than davids and appiah are. and this is where milan get that extra bit of creativeness. gattuso doesnt need to do anything regarding offensive play, and neither should tacchinardi.
this is why i think Maresca should probably start alongside Tacchinardi. Maresca has the ability to defend and create for that matter.
i dont see Maresca being a great replacement for nedveds role. in fact, if you want maresca to succeed as the creative midfielder, you need to play a 4-4-2 which probably suits him best moving forward in that formation.
in addition, nedved is rarely rested, and if he isnt on the field, del piero or miccoli replace him in his role. So Lippi doesnt obviously think of Maresca as being the man to replace neddy when need be.
i'm just hoping that once davids leaves, maresca gets more of a chance to prove himself. i suppose buying another midfielder, ie. stankovic wont help that cause at all.
tacchinardi is forced to sit back and not move forward as such. he has no choice with the likes of Camoranesi and either davids/appiah given license to roam forward and create.
it can be compared to milan with gattuso. many say that he doesnt do that extra stuff in midfield but its because with pirlo, seedorf and kaka/rui being offensive players, gattuso has to stay back and do teh nitty gritty stuff.
What i think juves midfield problem is that davids/appiah are not the type of players Pirlo is. Pirlo is technically more gifted in terms of offensiveness than davids and appiah are. and this is where milan get that extra bit of creativeness. gattuso doesnt need to do anything regarding offensive play, and neither should tacchinardi.
this is why i think Maresca should probably start alongside Tacchinardi. Maresca has the ability to defend and create for that matter.
i dont see Maresca being a great replacement for nedveds role. in fact, if you want maresca to succeed as the creative midfielder, you need to play a 4-4-2 which probably suits him best moving forward in that formation.
in addition, nedved is rarely rested, and if he isnt on the field, del piero or miccoli replace him in his role. So Lippi doesnt obviously think of Maresca as being the man to replace neddy when need be.
i'm just hoping that once davids leaves, maresca gets more of a chance to prove himself. i suppose buying another midfielder, ie. stankovic wont help that cause at all.
Well guys, its a little unfair to run out of patience on a 22 year old. Maresca has already amassed a fair amount of playing time in the middle. So as regards his temperament, he is unlikely to shudder on a big occasion. And if we analyse his game, he does have a reportoire of sublime touches on the ball. Which leads us to ask how much longer is it going to take to deliver on high expectations if at all?!
He may never be as good as we make him out to be, well and good if he is. But I dont think we should make up our minds just yet. Hes got the talent, but talent without opportunity counts for nothing. Which is why, we must wait on him and Lippi is a master at nurturing talent.
Personally I feel Maresca will be a mainstay at Juve. And as regards coming of age, its only a matter of time.
He may never be as good as we make him out to be, well and good if he is. But I dont think we should make up our minds just yet. Hes got the talent, but talent without opportunity counts for nothing. Which is why, we must wait on him and Lippi is a master at nurturing talent.
Personally I feel Maresca will be a mainstay at Juve. And as regards coming of age, its only a matter of time.
Am I to imply from your post that Tacchinardi and more bizzarely have it in them to be creative but because of condition they do not
Please I have to differ to that strongly, Tacchinardi is not creative full stop, not because he does not have to , its because he cannot whereas Maresca has the ability to be creative, maybe not in the Zidane, Aimar sense but definitely in the Pirlo, Guardiola mould where they can with their ability control the tempo of the game but he has to like its been said given the chance to do that
The fact that he is not being played is not necessarily because he is not good enough but probably he is not Lippi's kind of player as Lippi likes athlecticism ie the likes of Nedved, Davids, Appiah, Zambrotta and others in the past he has used
Players who are stable but not spectacular in the Ferrara, Montero, Tudor and Tacchinardi etc
Please I have to differ to that strongly, Tacchinardi is not creative full stop, not because he does not have to , its because he cannot whereas Maresca has the ability to be creative, maybe not in the Zidane, Aimar sense but definitely in the Pirlo, Guardiola mould where they can with their ability control the tempo of the game but he has to like its been said given the chance to do that
The fact that he is not being played is not necessarily because he is not good enough but probably he is not Lippi's kind of player as Lippi likes athlecticism ie the likes of Nedved, Davids, Appiah, Zambrotta and others in the past he has used
Players who are stable but not spectacular in the Ferrara, Montero, Tudor and Tacchinardi etc
This is what makes me laugh about so many people that are maresca supporters.... most of them dont even know where he plays.(not directed at you sally, jus in general)
The one role he couldnt take in our midfield as a starting position is tacchis.
Maresca is not naturally a defensive mid.
If you put maresca and appiah side by side we would have no defensive quality or connection between defense and midfield in our team.
Maresca could replace appiah / davids in a starting line up as that role is given the freedom maresca seeks due to tacchis so called boring work... you need an effective player like tacch to counter the pushing of appiah / davids / maresca.
The other role people like to talk him up for is as nedveds understudy, which in theory would be suited to his style of play (or at least far more than tacchis role would) , though i think this idea is being somewhat over confident.
Personally I cant see him for any role other than sub, especially useful as sub when we are going all out to rescue a result late in the day... this is the only time i can see him being able to replace tacch... but definately not to start as we would be a mess..... Whether you like it or not you need players like tacchi.... Why you all like to criticise him so much is beyond me , then again why so many people feel the need to constantly slag off our captain is also beyond me.
As for the idea of using a 4-4-2 and placing him in the centre... yes that could possibly work... however we would then have defensive problems, as that would require 2 traditional fullbacks... something juve does not have.
So for the 4-4-2 to work properly you would need to bring zambro back into midfield, and i have major doubts about thuram in that role ... so who are these full backs... or are you suggesting we not only change formation but also purchase 2 new players jus to accomodate maresca.... going a bit far isnt it?
The one role he couldnt take in our midfield as a starting position is tacchis.
Maresca is not naturally a defensive mid.
If you put maresca and appiah side by side we would have no defensive quality or connection between defense and midfield in our team.
Maresca could replace appiah / davids in a starting line up as that role is given the freedom maresca seeks due to tacchis so called boring work... you need an effective player like tacch to counter the pushing of appiah / davids / maresca.
The other role people like to talk him up for is as nedveds understudy, which in theory would be suited to his style of play (or at least far more than tacchis role would) , though i think this idea is being somewhat over confident.
Personally I cant see him for any role other than sub, especially useful as sub when we are going all out to rescue a result late in the day... this is the only time i can see him being able to replace tacch... but definately not to start as we would be a mess..... Whether you like it or not you need players like tacchi.... Why you all like to criticise him so much is beyond me , then again why so many people feel the need to constantly slag off our captain is also beyond me.
As for the idea of using a 4-4-2 and placing him in the centre... yes that could possibly work... however we would then have defensive problems, as that would require 2 traditional fullbacks... something juve does not have.
So for the 4-4-2 to work properly you would need to bring zambro back into midfield, and i have major doubts about thuram in that role ... so who are these full backs... or are you suggesting we not only change formation but also purchase 2 new players jus to accomodate maresca.... going a bit far isnt it?
Argh too much to read at the moment, I'll probably get to it when i'm connected at home.
I've seen squat from this guy, simply because Oz doesn't get much Italian footie coverage, but he sounds very promising from what i've heard, and i'm looking forward to seeing him do some sweet stuff for Juve :thumb:
Judging only by his celebration, though... I love the guy
I've seen squat from this guy, simply because Oz doesn't get much Italian footie coverage, but he sounds very promising from what i've heard, and i'm looking forward to seeing him do some sweet stuff for Juve :thumb:
Judging only by his celebration, though... I love the guy
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no, i didnt mean that tacchinardi has offensiveness to his game. i just meant that he is there due to the fact that he isnt offensive, which lippi wants in his position.
Sally & shadowfax:
the 4-4-2 suits Maresca's offensive play. to play nedveds role at juve, you need plenty of pace and power and you need to have a high work rate. Maresca is different to Nedved.
both maresca and appiah played in 4-4-2 formations last season. you say that there would be no linkage from defence to midfield, and yet, we have some claiming that in our current formation, davids and appiah would be good central pairings.
so i stand by my comment that the 4-4-2 would suit Maresca better if he was being used as the creative midfielder. playing in nedveds current role wouldnt suit as much.
no, i didnt mean that tacchinardi has offensiveness to his game. i just meant that he is there due to the fact that he isnt offensive, which lippi wants in his position.
Sally & shadowfax:
the 4-4-2 suits Maresca's offensive play. to play nedveds role at juve, you need plenty of pace and power and you need to have a high work rate. Maresca is different to Nedved.
both maresca and appiah played in 4-4-2 formations last season. you say that there would be no linkage from defence to midfield, and yet, we have some claiming that in our current formation, davids and appiah would be good central pairings.
so i stand by my comment that the 4-4-2 would suit Maresca better if he was being used as the creative midfielder. playing in nedveds current role wouldnt suit as much.