Marco Borriello (28 Viewers)

Do you want Borriello to stay, and do you think he will?

  • I want him to stay, and I think he will :)

  • I hope he leaves, but I think he'll stay :mad:

  • I want him to stay, but I think he'll leave :sad:

  • I think we'll ship his ass off. Good riddance! :D

  • I want him to stay, but at a much lower price


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Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
It should not matter that much, as he said himself, he did not choose Juve because he wanted to be our primadonna.
Thats why he is ready to compete and even accept a sub role, but when he left from Milan, after being expelted from the team, due to Zlatans arrival, he wanted to have more playing time and the chance to star.
So he then choose a less prestigious job, were such a task is easier.
You are delusional. I don't even bother reading your big posts any more but this part always manages to stick out.
It is not my fault that our board that limited. With their action, time and time again they have proven that they are so limited.
I do not at any case share that approach, but this is what they are keep doing all those years... and after all those years and all those failures and back fires,
they keep repeating the very same mistakes. At this moment there is no doubt about their stupidity and incompetence.
 

ZoSo

Senior Member
Jul 11, 2011
41,656
It should not matter that much, as he said himself, he did not choose Juve because he wanted to be our primadonna.
Thats why he is ready to compete and even accept a sub role, but when he left from Milan, after being expelted from the team, due to Zlatans arrival, he wanted to have more playing time and the chance to star.
So he then choose a less prestigious job, were such a task is easier.


It is not my fault that our board that limited. With their action, time and time again they have proven that they are so limited.
I do not at any case share that approach, but this is what they are keep doing all those years... and after all those years and all those failures and back fires,
they keep repeating the very same mistakes. At this moment there is no doubt about their stupidity and incompetence.
:sergio: Fucking hell...Borriello is not a spectacular player. The fans fucking put up signs to show their dislike for him. He was not brought in 'to create a spectacle'. He is not even a 'dribbling SS' like you always say. You just change your argument to whatever the situation is.
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
Another good thing about this deal is that we bought him 24 hours prior to Osvaldo's injury. Now, we have a chance of offloading either Iaquinta or Amauri to Rome if they're out of options :D
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
:sergio: Fucking hell...Borriello is not a spectacular player. The fans fucking put up signs to show their dislike for him. He was not brought in 'to create a spectacle'. He is not even a 'dribbling SS' like you always say. You just change your argument to whatever the situation is.
Right before Secco took over, there was an official announcement from our paper president and board, that the new age Juventus has a five year project to create a competitive team and reach its former glory.
A team with different ethics and transparent management with new and unspoiled faces, their focus would be on forming a competitive team with a strong Italian core, but with a turn on spectacle.
And later on they promised a new stadium, with the hope that Italy will build new stadiums to host the world cup and sponsor it,
with the hope that it would be able to increase the revenues.

Lies aim to deceive the sea of Juventini and further milk Juves name, as long as this possible, knowing that the background who is controlling the Italian championship will be completely out of reach and extremely biased against us, to less us win anything.
So they have switched the focus at entertain and offer nationalistic satisfaction, if they cannot compete anymore.

IMHO the intent was clear from the very beginning and i opposed the tenet from day one.
Way before you joined the forum, so i m telling you this, to understand my reasoning and realize how deep it goes.

As i was a Juve supporter for a decade already, i knew that this is not the way to build or rebuild a competitive team.
How? Simply by watching our management dealing with similar issues during all those years.
And i had specific reasons, to believe that this is a faulty strategy, from day one, that are still valid today.
-We were never the wealthiest club, we were only competitive because of our world class managers and impeccable prestige status.
Since the opposition took out both of them, we should give priority at hiring top class managers to compete with the best there are in the business.
The rest of the football world, will keep having experienced financial, marketing and transfer directors and we will have to compete with them, for the same, trophies, rights and players. We cannot do this with players like Secco.
Yet they have invested and wasted our resources on him. and then threw him away like the puppet he always was.
-The lost prestige cannot be bought, esp on cheap, it should be earned on the pitch. In order to do so, you need to win and prove your value.
They should have kept most of our core players they could, add 2-3 more starters every year and continue from where we were halted.
Instead the opted to buy many mediocre players of unproven quality and increase the number of second rate paper champions like Iaquinta, Grosso, Motta, Aquilani, old Toni, etc only because they had NT and some prestige from the WC which was actually won by our former champions.
Such prestige cannot be bought, the useful players werr acquired by the Milan clubs, and we were left with the left overs.
-Spectacle and false hopes. Hyped by an abundance of offensive options that held some sort of a prestige status in Italy, completely ignoring the long term needs and actual value and ability to help our performances.
For the fluidity of our midfield and the boost of creativity have invested each and every year most of our time and transfer budget, ignoring completely our actual needs.
He have systematically overpaid for what can hype our fans and systematically ignored long terms issues, like our LBS issue.

This is not a theory anymore, it has been proven by history, the choices we made they kept failing and we were keep mking the same ones, with minor adjustments, to alternatives and current formations.
But the intent was the very same and still is, hype the fools, make them believe in the dream and... there is always next year.
Thats why i told you we have turned into the next Inter, because this is exactly what they were doing for over a decade.
The five year plan was destined to fail, because there actually was no plan, the quantity of paper champions could not buy prestige, neither performances.
The percentage of trully top class players is reducing every year and the failures were keep coming naturally, as were not aiming performance.

What Juve tought to the football community, is what a solid compact team, a top class starters, used optimally by a defensive minded top tactician can do in league type of competitions.
That efficiency is very hard to get, but it was cheaper than a dream team of fancy and very expensive offensive players, in the long run.

So they have opted to a completely new approach to everything Juve ever meant, but to achieve in this approach they had to invest with the wealthiest clubs of the clubs, like Real and fight for the same players like Messi and C Ronaldo.
Such a fight is condemned to failure, in Italy, the tacticians are pragmatisms, they do not sacrifice solidarity for spectacle and to beat them, you will have to hire the most promising offensive talents football has. But those talents create spectacle universally appreciated and there is top competition with them.
Our board knows very well, that the Italian gov, does not funds teams like it happens with Real+Barca, on the contrary it asks for double taxes and expenditures.
Neither Arab or Russian magnates are allowed or attracted here like in the EPL. We cannot compete with them, we have lost our prestige and influence as well, the whole league lost its former glory in the attempt to bring us down at all costs.
We have to be smarter than them, become optimal, stop wasting time and resources.

Apart from our board, top coaches and the most promising players also know that and thats why they avoided and they will keep avoiding us as long as we dont change course.


So thats why i am insisting and saying what i m saying, i can go in much further details if you want, but i know that i have already written enough to explain my stance, if you trully care to know why i criticize smth.
There are many misconceptions about my criticism, many posters who have Italian origin like your self or just love the Azzurri as i always did (more than my countrys NT) think that i am driven of hate for the Italians, which is completely false and ridiculous.
It is just that i love Juve above any other thing and when i see that Italian players are not as good as before, esp the lefties and defenders, i do not want to see our future compromised in our insist of using them, regardless of their value.
For over 15 years i have been considering the Italian defenders and tacticians the best they are, (which more than half of my entire life), so when i m saying than we should better look elsewhere, i certainly have a reason to do so...

Apart from the tactical discipline of Italy and Juve, i also admired the beauty of Brazilian samba like any other football fun.
But always with a realistic approach, as i know that there are deep reasons that this was not Juves style.
I ve grew up with Conte and Ferrara and i did not wanted them to fail. I wanted them to take over when they were ready.
I never hated any of them when i criticized them, just the approach of the Juve board.
For the same reasons i do not hate Boriello now, but after we have been threw all that BS, watching still repeating the same BS again and again, takes a toll to my patience.

C mon, like we were not stacked up with enough mediocre would have been Italian forwards already, why dont we just focus at selling off the dead wood and save our cash for a Dzeko, Benzema move, why keep bringing mediocre players?
I had many Italian friends and acquaintances and i know that they are kind of arrogant and nationalists, but they are not stupid!
Enough enough, we have hit the lottery with a decent coach here, for once we should try seriously to perform, as the Serie A manipulators are over-satisfied with their trophies.

Instead of saving the money for a top finisher, we are still wasting time and resources on Boriello and are still exposed at the rear, for the very same idiotic reasons...
I saw that happening, because i know the reasoning of our management.
I m sure that Conte is bot stupid enough to prefer Boriello over Tevez, but for tthe above mentioned reason, i so knew that we will end up with a Boriello instead of a foreign starter defender... like i also new that we cannot tempt the ambition of a trully gifted player, who has similar options/offers worldwide...
 

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