Marco Borriello (8 Viewers)
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Hoori!
So consider Pepe a SS and Quaq a CF and what a forward like Treze, Vieri, Etoo, Toni and Klose are then?
Taget men who dont create much, but score a bunch of goals and are usually fielded as target man.
This is the type of forwards we are lacking and i believe that every team needs at least one fielded at any given time.
Ideally, he can also create chances by himself like Drogba and Zlatan, but without compromising his primary function.
We also need someone to create chances and serve him with opportunities, (pretty much every forward we have except Toni can do that) having only CFs who cant create and our offense will be cut off and isolated.
Having only creators, we would have far too many wasted opportunities, as we do now.
Ideally our SS can also score lie DP, so that our offense becomes multidimensional.
Ours now is somewhat unbalanced, as we have a winger, Vucinic who is a goal waster and Matri, who is solely targeted as the only actual danger, but imo is a forward who works better when he is underestimated and not considered the primary threat.
Quaqs was not given the time to adapt into this new scheme and the other wingers simply cannot do forwards job imo, thats why there is the faulty impression of struggling without Vucinic.
There are many option, but fielding the three off them is fap worthy imo.
A finisher could combine with any of our current options, even Matri and improve our overall chance/finishing ratio.
A SS with great scoring chances too (Benzema,Messi) but a Boriello offers nothing new...
Taget men who dont create much, but score a bunch of goals and are usually fielded as target man.
This is the type of forwards we are lacking and i believe that every team needs at least one fielded at any given time.
Ideally, he can also create chances by himself like Drogba and Zlatan, but without compromising his primary function.
We also need someone to create chances and serve him with opportunities, (pretty much every forward we have except Toni can do that) having only CFs who cant create and our offense will be cut off and isolated.
Having only creators, we would have far too many wasted opportunities, as we do now.
Ideally our SS can also score lie DP, so that our offense becomes multidimensional.
Ours now is somewhat unbalanced, as we have a winger, Vucinic who is a goal waster and Matri, who is solely targeted as the only actual danger, but imo is a forward who works better when he is underestimated and not considered the primary threat.
Quaqs was not given the time to adapt into this new scheme and the other wingers simply cannot do forwards job imo, thats why there is the faulty impression of struggling without Vucinic.
There are many option, but fielding the three off them is fap worthy imo.
A finisher could combine with any of our current options, even Matri and improve our overall chance/finishing ratio.
A SS with great scoring chances too (Benzema,Messi) but a Boriello offers nothing new...
You're being way too limited in understanding their roles on the field. What you're talking about is the old fashioned system put on paper. You must have noticed by now how the game has changed.
Anyway, Pepe was never called a SS, lets not put words into peoples mouths. He was called an attacking player and part of the front three in Conte's 4-3-3 system, which isn't a 4-5-1 as you call it since both Pepe and especially Vucinic are almost never in the same line with the central midfielders. Pepe is a forward in Conte's system simply because he plays there. And yes, he's supporting the central forward up front so technically you can call him a SS, but in the actual understanding of the SS role, he definitely isn't one.
As for Quag and the other forwards you mentioned....yes, he's playing the same role as them, just that he wasn't blessed with the goalscoring instinct as they are. He always goes for the goal and rarely, almost never, for the pass. He can't do much playmaking either and he definitely can't function from the wing and cut inside. His instinc will push him to the center of the box and we will lose width since he won't go back to the wing when needed. He has more characteristics of a CF than SS. Naturally, he can play in a forward duo with a less mobile and taller striker, but again he will play as a typical CF there.
To make it shorter: Yes, in our formation Quagliarella is a direct replacement for Matri and he'll do the best if he plays instead of Matri while he'll struggle if he plays instead of Vucinic and Pepe. He can play together with Matri of course, but to get the best out of him there, you'll need to take out one of the CMs, take Vucinic out and change the formation, by adding a winger.
To make it clear for you, these are the 10 goals he scored for Juve. Maybe they'll tell you more.
01. Sampdoria 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
02. Udinese 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
03. Lecce 4-4-2 (Quag-Amauri)
04. Milan 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
05. Cesena 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
06. Brescia 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
07. Catania 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
08. Catania 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
09. Chievo 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
10. Novara 4-3-3 (Esti-Quag-Pepe)
Oh, and in 30 matches for Juventus he made 2 assists. Not really good for what you consider to be a support striker, isn't it? One of the assists wasn't even an assist because he was shooting on goal and accidentally hit Pepe. That was last year's match against Sampdoria.
Anyway, Pepe was never called a SS, lets not put words into peoples mouths. He was called an attacking player and part of the front three in Conte's 4-3-3 system, which isn't a 4-5-1 as you call it since both Pepe and especially Vucinic are almost never in the same line with the central midfielders. Pepe is a forward in Conte's system simply because he plays there. And yes, he's supporting the central forward up front so technically you can call him a SS, but in the actual understanding of the SS role, he definitely isn't one.
As for Quag and the other forwards you mentioned....yes, he's playing the same role as them, just that he wasn't blessed with the goalscoring instinct as they are. He always goes for the goal and rarely, almost never, for the pass. He can't do much playmaking either and he definitely can't function from the wing and cut inside. His instinc will push him to the center of the box and we will lose width since he won't go back to the wing when needed. He has more characteristics of a CF than SS. Naturally, he can play in a forward duo with a less mobile and taller striker, but again he will play as a typical CF there.
To make it shorter: Yes, in our formation Quagliarella is a direct replacement for Matri and he'll do the best if he plays instead of Matri while he'll struggle if he plays instead of Vucinic and Pepe. He can play together with Matri of course, but to get the best out of him there, you'll need to take out one of the CMs, take Vucinic out and change the formation, by adding a winger.
To make it clear for you, these are the 10 goals he scored for Juve. Maybe they'll tell you more.
01. Sampdoria 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
02. Udinese 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
03. Lecce 4-4-2 (Quag-Amauri)
04. Milan 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
05. Cesena 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
06. Brescia 4-4-2 (Quag-Del Piero)
07. Catania 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
08. Catania 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
09. Chievo 4-4-2 (Quag-Iaquinta)
10. Novara 4-3-3 (Esti-Quag-Pepe)
Oh, and in 30 matches for Juventus he made 2 assists. Not really good for what you consider to be a support striker, isn't it? One of the assists wasn't even an assist because he was shooting on goal and accidentally hit Pepe. That was last year's match against Sampdoria.
Quag wont be here next season.
But there must be something important which my amateur eye can't see for Conte to push for a stronger guy in the center and there must be something that makes Quag unsuitable for Conte's tactics.
I do hope there is because I don't want to replace Quagliarella with fucking Borriello and it looks like we will. So better Conte to be proven right than us here.
I like him too (as backup), his mobility. But its the same reason he wasnt working for Udinese really. He neither has the physical presence to play as CF in a 4-3-3, nor is creative or individualistic enough to play as wingforward. Bit lost inbetween that kinda makes it hard to pin him down to a proper use.
I defenitely hope Borriello is NOT here next season, I KNOW Matri will be here next season (unlikely we will get big offer for him, nor buy a star attacker to replace him with), very doubtful Quag will be (its not entirely sure yet if he will remain this January to begin with). Its unfortunate, but Quagmire's days with us are numbered.