Manuel Locatelli (40 Viewers)

[Alex-444]

Is that page admin a Locatelli fanboy or what? Based on the follow up posts it seems that he is 1st in barely a few of those stats. lol

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No doubt he’s been looking overall better thus far this season though.

He just goes into CB defense every opponent's attack and becomes the 99th defender

After Allegri's Jihad, he certainly looks better.

But not that much

 

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[Alin]

It says "vs Serie A midfielders".

Nobody said otherwise, and looks like those stats/rankings are not completely accurate, at least according to this follow up posts which is what i am referring to.

I find some of these stats hard to believe. I haven't checked the other stats, so they could be true, but I checked that dribbles stat and it says that he attempted only 1 dribble so far in serie A, and it was unsuccessful. I found the particular stat unbelievable simply because I watched all our matches and I don't even remember him attempting a dribble.
Perhaps they confused him with Douglas Luiz who has 7/7 dribbles.

according to these, loca is:
- 2nd overall in completed passes, only bremer has more
- 2nd midfielder in completed short passes, freuler has 3 more
- 1st mid in completed long passes, tied with calhanoglu
- 1st mid in passes to final 1/3 (2nd if you consider de roon as a midfielder; he played both as a cb and a cm this current season)
- 1st mid in touches
- 4th mid in progressive passes (behind freuler, guendouzi, bernabe, and 5th if de roon qualifies as a mid)

can't find dribbles though

 

[s4tch]

Nobody said otherwise, and looks like it is not completely accurate, at least according to this follow up posts which is what i am referring to.

out of 6 metrics, he's first in 4 at fbref too, a very close second in one, and close 4th in an other. and i'm not sure what's the methodology behind each metric. these sites usually buy their data directly from opta, and they get much more nuanced stats compared to what gets reported by sofascore or whoscored. opta might report multiple types of progressive passes, i have no idea whether datamb's and fbref's stats are directly comparable

again, just ask the guy what kind of data he used, and when he collected his data. tell him that fbref reports locatelli as 4th/5th in progressive passes among midfielders and he'll explain what i can't because i don't see what he does. dunno, locatelli might have been overtaken by guendouzi et al after he did his opta query. the guy that runs that site and twitter account seems to me like a genuine enthusiast, i wouldn't accuse him of anything before asking

 

[Alin]

out of 6 metrics, he's first in 4 at fbref too, a very close second in one, and close 4th in an other. and i'm not sure what's the methodology behind each metric. these sites usually buy their data directly from opta, and they get much more nuanced stats compared to what gets reported by sofascore or whoscored. opta might report multiple types of progressive passes, i have no idea whether datamb's and fbref's stats are directly comparable

again, just ask the guy what kind of data he used, and when he collected his data. tell him that fbref reports locatelli as 4th/5th in progressive passes among midfielders and he'll explain what i can't because i don't see what he does. dunno, locatelli might have been overtaken by guendouzi et al after he did his opta query. the guy that runs that site and twitter account seems to me like a genuine enthusiast, i wouldn't accuse him of anything before asking

Tbh this kind of stats based on a small sample size rarely tell the full picture, was just joking around that he might be a Locatelli fanboy because of seeing how he is 1st in every stat listed there, potentially painting him to look even better, but truth is those stats give us a good hint about how he’s been performing overall better this season, however this things are heavily influenced also by the level of opponents and minutes played during the span that those stats were recorded, as well as the role and positioning of the player during games which can make this type of stats rather deceiving this soon into the season…

Will be very interesting to see how this stats will look like around December for example, to get a more clear picture of how he fares compared to others in his position based on a larger sample size.

 

[s4tch]

...seeing how he is 1st in every stat listed there...

completely unrelated to locatelli, isn't that a good way to generate interactions though? which one would you publish?

a) locatelli is 1st in this and that
or
b) luca ranieri is 43th in completed passes, 56th in passing accuracy, 155th in passes into final 1/3, and 230th in tackles completed?

 

[Alin]

completely unrelated to locatelli, isn't that a good way to generate interactions though? which one would you publish?

a) locatelli is 1st in this and that
or
b) luca ranieri is 43th in completed passes, 56th in passing accuracy, 155th in passes into final 1/3, and 230th in tackles completed?

It’s good that you posted it, it does generate interactions and i like reading this type of stats to get somewhat of an idea of how a player is performing thus far, but still quite laughable given that the dribbling stat can be debunked even by the most average observer.

 

[Robee]

Nobody said otherwise, and looks like those stats/rankings are not completely accurate, at least according to this follow up posts which is what i am referring to.

Well, databases always have small differences when compared one to another. The "dribble stat" seems very strange 'though, lol. That's a waste any way you look at it
The overall point probably still stands however...

 

[s4tch]

...the dribbling stat can be debunked even by the most average observer.

you just called alen the most average observer

seriously, that's the point: it can't be debunked because we don't know what kind of data he used. and fbref doesn't report dribbles. i found this in the meantime:
https://www.kickest.it/it/serie-a/s...bbling-tentati/2024-2025?teams=11&positions=3
https://www.kickest.it/it/serie-a/s...ing-completati/2024-2025?teams=11&positions=3

 

[Alin]

you just called alen the most average observer

seriously, that's the point: it can't be debunked because we don't know what kind of data he used. and fbref doesn't report dribbles. i found this in the meantime:
https://www.kickest.it/it/serie-a/s...bbling-tentati/2024-2025?teams=11&positions=3
https://www.kickest.it/it/serie-a/s...ing-completati/2024-2025?teams=11&positions=3

Not sure(nor really care) what data that twitter page is using for that specific stat but it can still be debunked due to the fact he is clearly not first neither on successful dribbles nor attempted ones, was first thing that caught the attention of even an average observer as myself, never mind an expert eye such as @Alen ‘s which called it out right away.

 

[s4tch]

...it can still be debunked due to the fact he is clearly not first neither on successful dribbles nor attempted ones...

nobody said that though. tweet said successful dribbles, %

if he has 1/1 successful dribble in a database then his success rate is 100%

that's why it is not irrelevant when the data comes from

 

[Alin]

nobody said that though. tweet said successful dribbles, %

if he has 1/1 successful dribble in a database then his success rate is 100%

that's why it is not irrelevant when the data comes from

I agree that it’s not irrelevant where the data comes from and how it is compared but in this context that specific stat is completely flawed and irrelevant if what they are basing it on is having a 1/1 successful dribbles… i guess we can assume it is maybe based on linear parameters that focuses on percentages out of context, there’s many factors that can influence the way they did that ranking but it is still arguably one that it is very deceiving.

 

[Juve92]

This guy is worse than McKennie..

 

[MrMonkey]

We looked much better offensively without him

I know in a minority here but in agreement. Stat chart posted earlier says Loca has been great but with him in there feels like we have an additional CB. Okay the defense has been great by low GA number. Though if we want to progress far in CL competition need to show more offensive prowess.

Just appears his passes aren't progressive enough in creating scoring chances. Feels like slightly slow motion with Loca passing decisions. If Luiz would wake the fuck believe him and Thurman have most upside. Can't Thurman do close to what Loca does defensively? I like Loca and hey maybe off base. If we could get the lead, great guy coming in during the second half.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

We play with 3 attacking midfield positions and a GENERATIONAL TALENT striker, if anyone wants to complain about lack of goals then there are some other threads they should be looking in instead.

 

[Adrian]

The rumours of motta moving him into a CB position is interesting. Not sure about it...but would allow some newbies to get more time.

 

[Siamak]

The rumours of motta moving him into a CB position is interesting. Not sure about it...but would allow some newbies to get more time.

He fits to take GK role.

 

[.zero]

Glad he’s finally able to begin to live up to his potential

Same with dr. gRiNtA

both were victims of the jihadi coach L’Incompetente decided to overpay to return only disgrace and misery

 

[Hust]

Only mid worse than him is our most expensive purchase

 

[Scottish]

I like him, thought the did a good job yesterday. Early on Lazio were pressing us hard and effectively. I think their gameplan was to grab an early goal and then park the bus. Given how well they were able to shut the door on us that was probably smart. Anyway during that early period Locatelli was having to roam around to find space. This is a far better and smarter reaction than trying to ignore the press and play on as usual.

Once the game opened up for us after the red card he was always available, did a good job spreading possession and did some good work tracking back to cover gaps. Pretty much exactly his role. Taking him off was the correct call because this referee couldn't wait to give us a red card possibly to avoid accusations of pro-Juve bias.

Locatelli is cooking, the hate is outdated.

 

[MikeM]

He is better than last year obviously because he has targets ahead of him to aim at but man Fagioli just moves the ball at twice the speed