Mafia: Trouble in DheeWorld (19 Viewers)

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
You'd look bad in it if I make it.

Only that "my last words" post is saving you. If that was an act, then it was a work of genius. I just don't see you as such a genius :p
I don't know if I should be sad or happy about that statement. :p Also, I want your analysis of the whole landscape. Something to read during the morning coffee. :D
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,994
I'll forget everything that happened before today and, since I won't post much or at all tomorrow, I'll analyze only tonight.

We have two possibilities: Voller is a C - Voller is a G

It was between Voller and Janna and we know that Janna is a C. So....


Voller is a C
- Janna the C was getting almost all the votes and X votes Voller.
Who would you like dead if you're a G and both Voller and Janna are C? Voller you say?
In that case, what you'll do is to follow X. Who followed X? Fresh (c), Janna (c) and Zach (?) already voted for Voller before X gave the 4th vote.
It was Adonis and ILFJ who followed blindly, while Fred and Fint decided not to follow X, despite being present when this happened. Cuti, Ford and Piotrr weren't online so we can't predict what they'd have done, or what I'd have done if I wasn't jailed.

Voller is a G
- In such situation, naturally the Gs would vote for Janna. Who are those who voted Janna and didn't change to Voller? Fred, Fint, Piotrr, Cuti and me. Piotrr and Cuti were absent, as said, while I was jailed. We shouldn't forget Ford too, because he wasn't here either and he voted for an irrelevant member, at the time when Bezzy had tons of votes. He wasn't here at the time and we can't predict if he would have voted Janna when Voller was in danger.

Now, it's certainly one of these two. I exclude the possibility that the Gs didn't care who to lynch between Janna and Voller if both were Cs. They'd choose Voller, especially after X of all people voted Voller and gave everyone the "I followed X" excuse.

In short: If Voller is a C, I'd look at Adonis and ILFJ
If Voller is a G, I'd look at Fred and Fint, and to a lesser degree Cuti and Ford. Voller too, of course.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,994
How about the last minute chances? Thoughts? Do you think the G's splitting the votes would be possible?
Depends how many Gs were here at the time. X changed to you pretty late, so the splitting of votes happened late in the game if there was such a thing.

Also, remember that there are only 4 gs. If I am one, it means only 3 were left. Or if someone from Cuti, Piotrr or Ford is a G... that leaves us with a possibility that maybe only 1, 2 or 3 Gs were present. How do you split the votes with so few of them here? :)
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Sorry! I'm with my dad. What do you need?
Nvm I can guess. Voeller (bold)
Sorry bro :p it would look bad for me if I didn't listen to Deneb.
Why did Voeller become suspicious out of nowhere?


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I'll forget everything that happened before today and, since I won't post much or at all tomorrow, I'll analyze only tonight.

We have two possibilities: Voller is a C - Voller is a G

It was between Voller and Janna and we know that Janna is a C. So....


Voller is a C
- Janna the C was getting almost all the votes and X votes Voller.
Who would you like dead if you're a G and both Voller and Janna are C? Voller you say?
In that case, what you'll do is to follow X. Who followed X? Fresh (c), Janna (c) and Zach (?) already voted for Voller before X gave the 4th vote.
It was Adonis and ILFJ who followed blindly, while Fred and Fint decided not to follow X,
despite being present when this happened. Cuti, Ford and Piotrr weren't online so we can't predict what they'd have done, or what I'd have done if I wasn't jailed.

Voller is a G
- In such situation, naturally the Gs would vote for Janna. Who are those who voted Janna and didn't change to Voller? Fred, Fint, Piotrr, Cuti and me. Piotrr and Cuti were absent, as said, while I was jailed. We shouldn't forget Ford too, because he wasn't here either and he voted for an irrelevant member, at the time when Bezzy had tons of votes. He wasn't here at the time and we can't predict if he would have voted Janna when Voller was in danger.

Now, it's certainly one of these two. I exclude the possibility that the Gs didn't care who to lynch between Janna and Voller if both were Cs. They'd choose Voller, especially after X of all people voted Voller and gave everyone the "I followed X" excuse.

In short: If Voller is a C, I'd look at Adonis and ILFJ
If Voller is a G, I'd look at Fred and Fint, and to a lesser degree Cuti and Ford. Voller too, of course.
Too simplistic.

I think Voller is a G, most probably recruited, I made a mistake in not moving my vote to him after Adonis and X probably, but at the time, my thinking was that Bezzy looked a much likelier G, Voller at least started the game as a C most probably, so I decided against moving for him. The fact that I didn't change my vote to Voller was because I thought Bezzy was a likelier option.

If Voller is a G, that makes Adonis and ILFJ look more like C's to me, so we do agree on that.

There is also the possibility that Adonis is the recruited G, and Voller is a C, X voted for Voller at the end, and Adonis took the opportunity to take out a more dangerous C than Voller.

Until yesterday I thought you were the jailer btw :D Which makes me come to a few other questions, @X since Alen isn't the jailer, how come you trust him so much, until yesterday my thinking was that you and Alen were working together and that Alen was the jailer, thats the only reason I thought Alen was a C, also the only reason he wasn't whacked yet and one of the main reasons I thought he was candidate for recruitment. So two questions: Since Alen isn't the jailer, why hasn't he been whacked? and since he's not the jailer, how come you've been working with him?
 

piotrr

Мodеrator
Sep 13, 2011
34,009
I'm fairly sure you all just lynched janna because of your prejudices against her, which I've always found to be unfounded. Given how ALC tried to get janna lynched it was pretty clear janna was innocent. The people that led the votes against janna are either idiots or gs.
You really think it's that simple? ALC was as good as gone, he knew he is going to be lynched anyway so it would be a great way to 'clean' another G by accusing him.

So you guys really lynched Janna for that PM thingy with Matt who is not even playing? Yeah, she's the clueless one. :p
There were so many things against Janna that i even don't know from what to start.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
You really think it's that simple? ALC was as good as gone, he knew he is going to be lynched anyway so it would be a great way to 'clean' another G by accusing him.



There were so many things against Janna that i even don't know from what to start.
:agree:
 

piotrr

Мodеrator
Sep 13, 2011
34,009
C = Civilian, G = Gangster, U=Unknown

Zacheryah - 1) Salvo, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) Ford, 5) Bezzy - 1G, 3C, 1U
Völler - 1) Salvo, 2) Tomice, 3) ALC, 4) Alen, 5) Bezzy - 2G, 2C, 1U
Ford Prefect - 1) Adonis, 2) Alen, 3) Fred, 4) ALC, 5) Zach - 1G, 1C, 3U - (on 1st day Adonis was a 100% C )
IliveForJuve - 1) Preet, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) Alen, 5) Voller - 1G, 2C, 2U
Adonis - 1) Salvo, 2) Tomice, 3) jailed, 4) Alen, 5) Bezzy - 1G, 2C, 1U
Alen - 1) Salvo, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) ALC, 5) jailed - 2G, 2C
X - 1) Salvo, 2) jailed, 3) ALC, 4) ALC, 5) Bezzy - 2G, 2C
Fred - 1) Salvo, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) ALC, 5) Bezzy - 2G, 3C
Cuti - 1) Voller, 2) Tomice, 3) Fred, 4) ALC, 5) Bezzy - 2G, 1C, 2U
piotrr - 1) Tomice, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) ALC, 5) Bezzy - 3G, 2C
Fint - 1) Preet, 2) Tomice, 3) Preet, 4) Voller, 5) Bezzy - 1G, 3C, 1U
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
A few questions:
- Why haven't they recruited/whacked you?
- Do you think Alen is a C or a G - and if he's a C, why hasn't he been recruited/whacked? And if he's a G, most likely from the beginning or recruited?
- No idea, from the names they have been whacking, especially the last few days, it doesn't look like they have been targeting active players anyway, probably fishing for special roles.

- Up until yesterday, I thought Alen was the jailer, thats why I was adamant he started off as a C, I didn't buy his story about the jailer contacting him at the start of the game, why would the jailer contact him? Then it seemed like he and Deneb were always working together, so I automatically assumed he was the jailor, I thought the G's had the same idea, and wanted to recruit him. Now, I have no idea what Alen is.

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I think Alens been a G from the beginning and he recruited Fred, the other 2 G's are most likely ILFJ, and cuti/fint
All very plausible. What about Voller?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,835
- No idea, from the names they have been whacking, especially the last few days, it doesn't look like they have been targeting active players anyway, probably fishing for special roles.

- Up until yesterday, I thought Alen was the jailer, thats why I was adamant he started off as a C, I didn't buy his story about the jailer contacting him at the start of the game, why would the jailer contact him? Then it seemed like he and Deneb were always working together, so I automatically assumed he was the jailor, I thought the G's had the same idea, and wanted to recruit him. Now, I have no idea what Alen is.

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All very plausible. What about Voller?

voller is 50/50
 

Völler

Always spot on
May 6, 2012
23,091
- No idea, from the names they have been whacking, especially the last few days, it doesn't look like they have been targeting active players anyway, probably fishing for special roles.

- Up until yesterday, I thought Alen was the jailer, thats why I was adamant he started off as a C, I didn't buy his story about the jailer contacting him at the start of the game, why would the jailer contact him? Then it seemed like he and Deneb were always working together, so I automatically assumed he was the jailor, I thought the G's had the same idea, and wanted to recruit him. Now, I have no idea what Alen is.
-Fishing for special roles? So you think they have been avoiding the active and influential players ONLY to go after the lawyer (detective is dead, BG confirmed and saves himself and the jailer will be reassigned)?
 

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